Jswain's training log for powerlifting

ATPoS off-season program week 1 day 1

This session is a fuggin all out war. Felt insanely similar to a day I would've done during Project Momentum. I love it in a sadistic sort of way.

•2 ct pause squat (Duffalo bar)
(255x 24 reps x 3-6 reps per set)
55/105/145/195/225x5
(Start 90s rests)
[email protected], x6@8; [email protected]/7/7
Sets of 4 with doubled monster mini below patella

•Comp BP (thumb from edge)
(250x 24 reps x3-6 reps per set)
45/95/135/185/225x5
(Start 90s rest)
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; x2@10 (got pinned on 3rd - luckily i had the safeties up); x1@8; x1@8; x1@8; x2 @8.....fuçkkkkk. Already fell below the rep minumum...shouldnt of been chasing those sets of 6 with 90s rest apparently. It's been a long time since I failed a non testing training rep and I definitely dont want to make a habit out of that.

•1" deficit conv DL
355x 24 reps x 3-6 reps/set
135/225/275/315x3
355x3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 6 (full resets on last set, stayed gripped to bar on others but still not t&g)

Moving grip out 1 finger at a time over the course of 3 reps (eg. 1st set pinky on ring -> 2nd ring on ring -> 3rd middle on ring-> reset). Sets with grip wider than comp grip were with straps, comp grip sets were strapless & doh. The last set I just wanted to be done with the session so I did all 6.

I'm happy that there are only 2 variants each day on every training day except this one. Cuz ****. Also, I really like how there is a form of autoregulation built in with the rep range...can take more reps if they're there or stop at 3 if things are feeling off that day or you think that exercise is better suited for lower reps.
 
Hyde said:
“Can’t I just do a bunch of singles??”
-me, on squat programming
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Lol. For real man. These sets of 6 with short rests are rough even when the weights are light.

ATPoS Week 1 day 2

•MB Squat (225x30 reps x3-6 per set; 60s rest)
Betless today
45/95/135/185x5
225x6x5

•DB flat bench (90x30 reps x3-6 per set; 60s rest)
50x6; 75x6
90x8, 7, 7, 4, 4

•Tbar row (5x12)
45x12
90x12x5

Ss/

•DB fly (3x15)
40x15x3

•Udhd cable tri extension (3x15)
40x15x3

No GHR at the gym back home in IN and my glutes are still sore from last session. So I didnt bother with subbing anything in.
 
ATPoS W1d3

•CGBP (pointer on edge)
225x 24 reps x3-6 per set
(90s rest)
225x6, 6, 3, 3, 3, 3

•Sumo 2" block pull off bumpers
365x24 reps x3-6 per set
(90s rest)
365x6, 6, 6, 3, 3

•Laying hamstring curl
130x10x2
120x10

Ss/

•Tri rope extension
120x10
130x10x2

•Spider curl on preacher station
30x10x3

Pretty easy day. Just getting the work done. Merry Christmas everyone, hope you all have a great time with your families and friends.
 
W1d4

•Spoto press (185x30 reps, 3-8 per set, 60s rest)
45/95/135x6
185x6, 8, 8, 8

•Front squat (in place of ssb squat) (190x30 reps, 3-6 per set, 60s rest)
Beltless
45/95/135/165x6
190x6, 6, 6, 6, 3, 3

•Pull up (goal = 5x12)
Bw (235) x 10, 5, 5, 8, 6 = 34/60

Ss/

•DB Fly (3x15)
35x15x3

•Lat Pulldown (26 reps - 10/8/8) (to make up for the missed reps since I cant do 5x12 pull ups)
120x10
130x8x2

•Machine lateral raise
80x15x3

Ss/

•bad girls
80x15x3

Overall, pretty easy session on the main work. Spotos were at an immeasurable rpe and fronts were less than @6. They did get tough towards the end with the 60s rest because im out of shape. This program will work on improving work capacity no doubt.
 
General Health & Conditioning day for Week 1

•Light static stretching x5-10m

•Tempos:
90rpm x30s, 60s rest @40rpm
90rpm x20s, 60s rest @40 rpm x5

•Db side bends:
40x15x2

•TRX seesaw
1 set of 5
Nope. Did some in warmups on Wed and my anterior core was still too sore to have anymore of these.

•matrix elliptical
60 rpm @ level 7 @ 30 deg incline x15m

•contrast
Cold (55 deg): 2 rounds of 3 minutes
Hot (104 deg): 1 round of 3 mins sandwiched bt cold rounds.

I feel like a new man after these days. Added the side bends in after reading a couple Simmons articles. He recommends these or suitcase deads for obliques and these fit better in a "recovery" style day.
 
ATPoS off-season W2D1

•Pause Squat (duffalo)
(200x30 reps x3-6 per set; 60s rest)
55/105/145/175x5
(+loose belt & doubled monster mini around just below knee joint)
200x6x5 (60s rest)

•Comp BP (thumb from edge) (60s rest on work sets)
45/95/135/165x5
195x3x8
195x6

•1" deficit conv deadlift
135/185/225x5
+belt
280x20
2.5m rest
280x10

Was running short on time and had some built up anger so I wanted to torture myself some. Wanted to knock out all 30 initially but once I hit 15 I knew i didnt have em all in me in 1 set.

Much easier session than last week's of this same day. I thought the comp bench weight corresponded nicely to a DE style day so I went with that effort on the first 8 sets and then the last one i just pumped out the final 6 reps of the exercise.

Pause squats felt good. Was getting some good pop out of the hole which is something i have struggled with for the last few months, we'll have to see if that translates to when the weights get a little heavier.
 
It will transfer - that’s you rebuilding your strength in the bottom. I had the same sensation in July, finally coming back off the parallel box. Keep it up, J!
 
SkRaw85 said:
Havent done side bends in a coons age. Forgot all about those bad girls!
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Louie recommends doing them on a cable station with the pulley up high and held at about neck level. He says this reduces the stress on the spine that there is with the conventional way to do them with DBs. I havent tried his way out since im going so light but it might be worth a try his way, he is Louie after all.
 
Week 2 day 2

•Comp Sq (Duffalo) (295x24 reps x 3-6/set, 90s rest)
55/105/145/195/235x5
+ loose belt
265x3
(Start 90s rests)
295x6, 6, 6, 4, 4 -> oops. About halfway through I started thinking I had to do 30 so I was gonna do 3 sets of 4 for the final 3 sets, after the 2nd set i realized I only had to do 24).

•DB Flat Bench
60x6, 4 (WU)
90x6 (WU)
110x6x4

Warmups ss/

•quadruped rows
60x12x2

•bench kneeling DB row
110x12x3

Ss/

•DB row
30x15x3

•1/2 kneeling Cybex tri rope extension
125x15x2
110x15

Ss/

•Facepull
50x12x2

•GHR
Bw x15x3 -> right hammy was thinking about cramping pretty much the whole second set. Luckily it never went full spasm on me and I was able to get all the way through all the sets without having to roll out of the GHR and fall onto the floor.

Whole body was pretty pumped after this one. Squats went okay...hips felt a little bound up, the 6th rep on sets 2&3 were at about ~7 rpe.
 
Havent trained the last 2 days as theyve been 12s in the ER. Man, i forgot how bad 12s drain you. Good news is i only have to work 12 shifts this month (as a requirement, i'll very likely go in more than that just to try and get as much out of this 4 weeks as I can) so training shouldnt be affected too much.

Week 2 day 3

•CGBP (185x30 reps, 3-6/set; 60s rest)
WU
185x6x5

•2" Sumo deadlift (290x30r. 3-6/set; 60s rest)
135/185/235x5
295x6x5 (was too lazy to get a 2.5 so i just put a 5 on and did 295).

•GHR
Vs light mini x12
Vs monster mini x12x2

Ss/

•Xfit box cybex station rope extensions
80x12x2
80x6, 70x6

•Cable curls (upstairs)
90x12x3

Ss/

•TRX see-saws (i have no fuggin clue if this is actually the name, it was something about a saw lol)
Bwx8x2

The main work on this day was pretty damn easy. I upped my cg max from 325 to 335 before this session because 175 just seemed like a waste of time. On the 4th and 5th sets some minor fatigue did set in but they were still around an @6 max. Sumo work was nice to just continue working on form, so i dont mind that it was so light as much as I do the CG.
 
Hit the hot tub and cold tub for 2 rounds yesterday. Didnt do any cardio though.

Week 2 day 4

•SSB Squat (240x24 reps, 3-6/set; 90s rests)
60/110/150/200x5
+ belt
240 x 6, 6, 6 (last rep 2ct pause), 6 (last 3 reps 2 count pauses).

•Spoto Press (230x24 reps, 3-6/set; 90s rest)
45/95/135/185x5
230x6x4

•Pull ups (goal = 5 sets of 12)
Bw (235) x10, 7, 4 (60s rest)

Chins: bw x6, 4 (60s rest)

Total = 31 reps (make up 29 on lat pulldown)

•Lat pulldown
3x10

•Inc db fly
30x15x3

Ss/

•seated lateral raise
30x10x2
 
Hyde said:
Good looking day of training, J
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The most challenging part of the day was the pull ups lol. The main work this week was pretty easy, which im okay with. This block is more about pushing work capacity by limiting rest periods, getting done in an hour or under, continue working these secondary movements (eg. Deficit and Sumo pulls as well as these squat secondaries) and just continue getting pain free squatting in.
 
It's a great time for this block too with shirtless season sneaking up on us. Pushing work capacity means leaning out unless you are bulking.
 
MrKleen73 said:
It's a great time for this block too with shirtless season sneaking up on us. Pushing work capacity means leaning out unless you are bulking.
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No doubt brother. If i could just lose some of this pooch over my lower abs id be more than pleased with my physique. I'm at 230 and not shredded by any means (nor am i looking to be right now...gf has some plans for us for halloween but i dont know if i have the desire to put in the work just for a fn halloween costume lol) but the outline of the top half of my rectus is visible so im probably like 14-15% which im fine chilling at. Bw was 230 today so I've definitely lost some fat but also a little good mass over the last year.

Diet wise I pretty much never leave a recomp style diet with over maintenance and under maintenance days throughout the week, this with carb cycling with higher days on more taxing training days, moderate on the other training days, and low(ish) on most non-training allows me to keep my physique respectable by most people's standards year round. I got a little beefy when i was at my strongest 18 months ago walking around at 250 but I wasn't comfortable there (eg. Getting short of breath walking to the cafeteria at work). If i decide to push back up my weight I'll keep some cardio in to try and maintain CV health better.
 
Week 3 day 1

•Duffalo pause squats (275x18 reps x3-6 per set; 105s rest)
55/105/145/195/235x5 (+ doubled MM just below knees)
+ belt
275x6x2@5/7
275x3x2 (+ doubled MM " ") @?/5

•Comp BP (265x18 reps x3-6 per set; 105s rest)
45/95/135/185/225x5
[email protected]/5/5.5/6
265x6@8

•1" deficit conv deadlift
135/185/225/275/325x5
+ belt
380x3x4 (all doh except set 2 which was 1 doh and 1 of each mixed grip)
(+ straps)
380x6@5

Sort of a loose pseudo 5th set kind of thing on bench and deads with 4 sets of 3 followed by a higher rep set, although it wasnt an amrap. Squats felt pretty good, im starting to feel more stable transversely through my hips and grounded. Strength slowly on its way back i hope.
 
Its gonna take months, but that’s fine - it will come slow and steady.

If I add 5lbs to my training weights every 3 weeks in a cube rotation, that’s 85lbs on my working weights in a year, & in 3 years, you’d be doing those Duffalo pause squat with 525lbs!

People want to rush the numbers up, but for true strength consistency is king! Brick by brick...
 
Hyde said:
Its gonna take months, but that’s fine - it will come slow and steady.

If I add 5lbs to my training weights every 3 weeks in a cube rotation, that’s 85lbs on my working weights in a year, & in 3 years, you’d be doing those Duffalo pause squat with 525lbs!

People want to rush the numbers up, but for true strength consistency is king! Brick by brick...
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Im all aboard the slow and steady train. choo choo mothafuggas.
 
Im gonna say Clayton is Harry. I could see him having that haircut when he was 12.
 
Went in did some band stretching for the shoulders and psoas, lax rolled the glutes/piriformis and QLs, dragged the sled with 95 lbs for 15 mins, did 4 lengths (around 20 yards id estimate) of zercher carries with the empty rogue yoke, and did some contrast therapy. My lower back and hip had been feeling tight for a few days now so instead of training I plugged in one of these recovery days and will pick back up tomorrow. Btw the sled drag is a total waste of time because of the sheer number of turns. Its like you walk 20 feet each length after you make the turn and the slack in the spud strap lets out, id love to drag that for cardio but it just isnt feasible with the limited amount of turf there is.
 
Hyde said:
Maybe they’ll let you take the sled into the parking lot?
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Maybe. It is kind of a piece of ****, but if it cuts up the sled then it may tear up the turf so i dont know. Plus it was -15 on my way to my shift today sooooo...I'll find other options til spring at least.
 
Week 3 day 2

•Comp Squat (250x24 reps, 3-6/set, 60s rest)
I forgot the duffalo bar was 55 until i was done so I ended up at 260.
55/105/145/195/230x5
+ belt
260x6x4
Reps were a breeze even with the short rest intervals. Rpe on the last set was a 6 max.

•DB flat bench
60x6 WU
80x6 WU
100x6x4 - 60s rests

•Seated Cybex row
165x12x3

•Inc cable fly
50x15
40x15

•BO Row
155x12x2 - I'm going to add these back in. They build core rigidity and a strong functional pillar. Im more so looking at them to use for this purpose, ill progressively build up the weights but it will be a very slow progression and I wont allow my ability to row said weight supersede my ability for my core to support the movement.

•GHR
Vs monster mini shortened by double wrapping it around the pegs x15x2

•tricep extension (box cybex)
1 drop set with a single drop only.

Got the main work in, i sort of half assed the extra fluff work today and cut the triceps, ghrs, and flys a set short. I wasnt really feeling it today so once i got done with the main work i sort of lost motivation.
 
W3d4 (had the day off today and work tomorrow so i got this session in a day earlier than i normally wouldve)

•CGBP (245x18 reps, 3-6/set, 105s rest)
45/95/135/185/215x5
245x6x3 @6/7/8

•Sumo 2" block pull (395x18 reps, 3-6 per set, 105s rest)
135/185/225/275/315x5
+ belt
365x5
395x6, 3, 3, 6 @ easy

•GHR
Vs blue pro light x10x3

Ss/

•Football bar decapitators with 45 degree, narrow grip (skull crusher to throat level, just named them)
60x10
80x10
100x10
80x10x2 + vs red mini choked around bar twice then hooked under a db on floor.

•Seated Ab rope crunch machine
100x15x3 + 10s hold at top after last set

Ss/

•Eagle curl machine (done like spider curls - supinated concentric + Neutral to slightly pronated eccentric)
100x10x3
 
I read decapitator and thought, “wth is J doin in the gym?” Sounded risky lol

Rpe stays pretty low, me likey.
 
tyga tyga said:
I read decapitator and thought, “wth is J doin in the gym?” Sounded risky lol

Rpe stays pretty low, me likey.
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Lol yah, i was sure to put the safeties up. Ive got no plans for a crushed larynx via the football bar.

I am really enjoying this program. I think maybe 12 hard weeks followed by 6 of this program with periodic deloads may be the way I go moving forward. Full body, a good amount of variation, lowish rpe, and you still feel like youre working.
 
Btw, anyone else see that White Pipes deal going on at NP today? 25 serving tubs for 5.99 is a steal for 6g L-Citrulline and 1g of agmatine. The 2g hydromax and 2g taurine is just icing on the cake. Add 250mg caffeine + 25mg E and ill be ready to roll...i picked up 3 tubs so hopefully the pineapple flavor is good.
 
tyga tyga said:
I read decapitator and thought, “wth is J doin in the gym?” Sounded risky lol.
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“just named them” ?

jswain34 said:
Btw, anyone else see that White Pipes deal going on at NP today? 25 serving tubs for 5.99 is a steal for 6g L-Citrulline and 1g of agmatine. The 2g hydromax and 2g taurine is just icing on the cake. Add 250mg caffeine + 25mg E and ill be ready to roll...i picked up 3 tubs so hopefully the pineapple flavor is good.
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Yep, and they’re selling Orange Triad past it’s best buy date for $13 a bottle - under half price
 
Hyde said:
Yep, and they’re selling Orange Triad past it’s best buy date for $13 a bottle - under half price
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Damn! Wish i would've seen that. I definitely would've snagged at least a couple bottles.
 
Week 3 day 4

Wu:
Crunches done as continuous set
Rope crunch x15
Oblique rope crunch x15 each way
Rope crunch x15
10s hold in neutral

Dyn stretches

•SSB squat (230x24rep, 3-6/set, 60s rest)
60/110/150/200x6
230x6 belt less
230x6x2 loose belt
230x6 latched belt

•Spoto press (Duffalo) (195x24r, 3-6/s, 60s rest)
55/105/145/175
195x6x4

•Rogue Y1 Yoke sled push
Yoke weighs 185
275x1 down back (each way is 15 yds)
325x1 db
365x1 db

Ss/

•Inc db fly (3x15)
35x15x3

•Rogue Y1 yoke zercher holds
Empty yoke x1 min x2, 120s rest

•NG Attachment lat pulldown (5x12)
60s rest
150x12x2
150x8 drop 135x4
135x9 drop 120x3
120x12

Shoulders have been a little cranky and pullups dont always agree with them so i subbed in a full days worth of lpds instead of doing 5 amrap pull up sets then making up missed reps with lpds.

The yoke stuff wasnt programmed, just felt like doing it and neither are dangerous or should take anything away from recovery at all.
 
I have 200$s worth of Vitamin Shoppe gift cards to blow...anyone got any recommendations? So far I have 2 bottles of Jarrow Circumin 95, 2 bottles of bioperine for circumin absorption, a box of complete cookies, 2 things of pb desert protein spread, some mighty muffins, and a powder storage funnel and am at 98$.

I already bought 3 bottles of Orange Triad from NP (sucked it up and put in a separate order - i plan on 1/2 dosing at 3 caps/ day so that'll last me almost the whole year) and 3 tubs of white pipes for a pre once my CL White Flash and PES prolific runs out so i should be good on a multi and Pre for a while. Gonna buy a cheap bottle of boron off Amazon since i get free shipping with prime. Literally dont know what the hell else i could get from VS other than 2 tubs of select 55 but already have a half tub open and 1 stored away.

Maybe some purple wrath for intra? Or anyone have any thoughts on natty supps that actually work that might be sold at VS? I havent taken anything other than basic vitamins, noots, prot powder, and a basic pre for probably 2 years and havent really kept up with much.
 
Make sure to undercook those mighty muffins a tad lol or they dry out, bad. I personally leave the center pretty goopy then mix it with what was cooked and it’s perfect.

I mean you pretty well have anything that you need (or ordering what I consider the essentials ~ turmeric)
 
tyga tyga said:
Make sure to undercook those mighty muffins a tad lol or they dry out, bad. I personally leave the center pretty goopy then mix it with what was cooked and it’s perfect.

I mean you pretty well have anything that you need (or ordering what I consider the essentials ~ turmeric)
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No doubt, i have been eating them for a while and have a tendency to overcook them lol. They definitely taste a heck of a lot better when they arent as dry as a popcorn fart.

Yah, agreed. I dunno, maybe ill just go in one day and buy random stuff that looks interesting lol.
 
Go peep the New Product Release Thread. All kinds of junk you may be able to convince yourself to waste money on.

EAAs can be a great choice. Creatine mono if you like it. None of the natty supps are usually good for much besides increasing hunger. I mean things like Mass Max, Kingslayer, Vector all tout science as to why they make you bigger and stronger, but the reality is every one of those logs the guys get hungrier, eat more, and gain a few lbs. So of course they get stronger and look more pumped - they’re in a surplus!

I don’t think I’d spend much on natty anabolic stuff. It just makes too little a difference usually. And t-boosters especially: raising your test from 500 to 700 isn’t going to produce performance enhancement even.
 
Hyde said:
Go peep the New Product Release Thread. All kinds of junk you may be able to convince yourself to waste money on.

EAAs can be a great choice. Creatine mono if you like it. None of the natty supps are usually good for much besides increasing hunger. I mean things like Mass Max, Kingslayer, Vector all tout science as to why they make you bigger and stronger, but the reality is every one of those logs the guys get hungrier, eat more, and gain a few lbs. So of course they get stronger and look more pumped - they’re in a surplus!

I don’t think I’d spend much on natty anabolic stuff. It just makes too little a difference usually. And t-boosters especially: raising your test from 500 to 700 isn’t going to produce performance enhancement even.
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Will do. The hard part will be finding worthwhile stuff at VS. I might just buy 100$ worth of mighty muffins lol.

I generally agree with you regarding natty supps, which is why I stopped all of them except the basic vitamins/omegas/ashwaganda/Synapsa bacopa over the last year +. Just no sense in throwing 30-50$ away for 4 weeks of probably nothing but maybe very little positive effect if anything.
 
Saturdays session:

Week 4 Day 1

All work sets were 60s rest

Pause Squat (Duffalo)
225x6x4

Comp bench
215x6x4

1" deficit conv dead
305x6x4

Quick session. Went on a day road trip with the gf afterwards and spent some quality time together. Then just relaxed sunday. Worked yesterday 7-730.

Today's session:

Week 4 day 2

•Comp squat (Duffalo)
55/105/145/195/235x5
275x6 + loose belt
315x6, 6, 3, 3 @ 7.5/8/7/7.5

Weights felt light on my back but had no pop out of the hole again. I need to do a better job of waking my glutes up from their eternal slumber.

•Inc DB press (x6@6, 4 repeats)
(60s rest)
90x6x5 @ 6/6/7/7.5/8.5

Didnt see the point in doing heavy triples on db press so I switched the exercises today. Will likely keep these as repeats the rest of the training block.

•Cybex tri extension in Box
55x12x3

Ss/

•GHR
Vs light band x12x3

•Pendlay rows
150x10x2 - slow, controlled, hold/squeeze at chest, working on core/pillar.

•Cybex NG row (3x10) (75s rest)
180x10x3

•Crunch machine
100x20 + 15s hold
115x15
 
jswain34 said:
Will do. The hard part will be finding worthwhile stuff at VS. I might just buy 100$ worth of mighty muffins lol.

I generally agree with you regarding natty supps, which is why I stopped all of them except the basic vitamins/omegas/ashwaganda/Synapsa bacopa over the last year +. Just no sense in throwing 30-50$ away for 4 weeks of probably nothing but maybe very little positive effect if anything.
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Creatine, turmeric, collagen and vit d are my only staples. It’s completely shifted as I’ve gotten older lol only other things I can think of that I would add would be for artery and heart health (vit k and CoQ10).

But, yeah natty shops in general especially in the younger age range you won’t see too much of a benefit.
 
tyga tyga said:
Creatine, turmeric, collagen and vit d are my only staples. It’s completely shifted as I’ve gotten older lol only other things I can think of that I would add would be for artery and heart health (vit k and CoQ10).

But, yeah natty shops in general especially in the younger age range you won’t see too much of a benefit.
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All that stuff is as expensive as bottles of gear, and you’re praying for a tenth of what gear can do. It just doesn’t make sense, especially when you understand even steroids only help so much. Like 10% on strength.

SNS Rep in the product release thread talking about how much better their 45% tribulus extract is compared to Swanson’s 20%. Tf you think tribulus is going to get you besides elevated estrogen??? Not sweet gains, I can promise you that.
 
Hyde said:
Go peep the New Product Release Thread. All kinds of junk you may be able to convince yourself to waste money on.

EAAs can be a great choice. Creatine mono if you like it. None of the natty supps are usually good for much besides increasing hunger. I mean things like Mass Max, Kingslayer, Vector all tout science as to why they make you bigger and stronger, but the reality is every one of those logs the guys get hungrier, eat more, and gain a few lbs. So of course they get stronger and look more pumped - they’re in a surplus!

I don’t think I’d spend much on natty anabolic stuff. It just makes too little a difference usually. And t-boosters especially: raising your test from 500 to 700 isn’t going to produce performance enhancement even.
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Do you really think a natty booster could get you 200 more test. I can't imagine that they can even do that. All of the blood tests I have seen have barely budged. More than anything they increase Free Testosterone and almost leave serum levels the same, and if you stay on them too long your serum levels will drop because the body doesn't understand why free test is so high. So it says lets make less test and see if that gets things back in line...

Most younger guys won't even notice much short of placebo, but you can most definitely tell if your test is on the low end and you have low free test. That is when the boosters actually do something for you but it isn't boosting Serum by much just a ton of SHBG binding supps freeing up test...

Hyde said:
All that stuff is as expensive as bottles of gear, and you’re praying for a tenth of what gear can do. It just doesn’t make sense, especially when you understand even steroids only help so much. Like 10% on strength.

SNS Rep in the product release thread talking about how much better their 45% tribulus extract is compared to Swanson’s 20%. Tf you think tribulus is going to get you besides elevated estrogen??? Not sweet gains, I can promise you that.
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Yeah, if gear is an option then spending money on anabolic supps isn't even a consideration.

Natty supps now are pretty much health based for me. I will occasionally use creatine, but other than preworkouts, aminos, protein and sometimes a GDA everything else is health based.

Dollar per dollar protein or aminos is probably the way to go, or maybe a nice GDA.

Tribulus at best frees testosterone and IMHO not anywhere near as much as most other SHBG binding ingredients. MACA, LongJak, High Extract Nettle/Divanyl, that fenugreek extract all treated me far better than any Tribulus product. It just got the nod for being the first one pushed and has been grandfathered in as a good booster ever since.
 
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