JOSIAH MCQUILLIN GAINS OVER 10 LB. PURE MUSCLE IN 4 WEEKS ON PNI!

bigswole30 said:
Guys,

Let stay on track. I have nothing but respect for everyone on here and I am excited to see how people respond to the stack!!
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Very professional which is to be expected from, Chad.

Nice results Josiah I am like the others EXTREMELY skeptical but I will not be on the side of impossibility - highly unlikely, yes, but not impossible.

You have to understand that with the results you achieved there are going to be a lot of people that are going to be looking to call bull ****. That has two ends of the spectrum. The first being - you made such incredible progress people are rushing to think you HAD to be on steroids which for you, isn't a bad thing. And then there is their reason for utter disbelief because these are guys that work their asses off quite consistently with results like that being seen in 4 weeks clearly not being common.

I was discussing this with our buddy Frank Reynolds that you all know and he made a very good point. If people took some of the money they invest on supplements and hired a nutritionist/trainer like Luke or Frank they would be astonished at the amazing results they would see. We were specifically talking about hiring Meadows. Now why that's relevant is, you are looking at someone who had his diet, routine AND supplementation regimen completely laid out for him. There were no pieces to the puzzle missing.

Science is great absolutely, BUT science is NOT a definitive answer on everything scientists like to think so but unfortunately it only goes so far. Science tells us Josiah was a knucklehead stacking DAA and NMDA because of the POSSIBLE neurological effects but when it comes to nutrition and body composition effects science is always changing. Hell they still can't even figure cholesterol out lol...

Anyways, all that being said nice work bro. You did a complete 180 ;)



- Valdez
 
Josiah M. said:
im going to be at work for the next 9 hours but ill try to respond to any quetions the best i can
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How about my previous question? What was your maintenece kcals? 1k calories is a huge swing from day to day... and how much of a surplus were you eating?
 
tyga tyga said:
How about my previous question? What was your maintenece kcals? 1k calories is a huge swing from day to day... and how much of a surplus were you eating?
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should be 1k surplus every day to gain 10lbs in 30 days
 
yes i definately can undertand that, and i know this doesnt happen all the time. and i agree with hiring a nutrition coach, especially for less experienced people.
 
yes it is a big swing..but i continued adding calories to meet my bodies needs, and what i felt was the right amount
 
tyga tyga said:
10lb mixture of LBM and an accumulation of fat...

A +1000 kcalories a day, and netted a 10lb of muscle only? Nah.
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right, there had to be some fat gain. wish they at least had caliper measurements if not bodpod, but I'm guessing he didn't start the stack expecting this thread debating his results lol. I'm willing to conceed that a 6-7lb gain in water and glycogen and a 3-4lb gain in muscle with some amount of fat would be doable with perfect diet and training and tons of sleep. Im betting thats the case here.
 
cswalczakny said:
right, there had to be some fat gain. wish they at least had caliper measurements if not bodpod, but I'm guessing he didn't start the stack expecting this thread debating his results lol. I'm willing to conceed that a 6-7lb gain in water and glycogen and a 3-4lb gain in muscle with some amount of fat would be doable with perfect diet and training and tons of sleep. Im betting thats the case here.
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Agreed.
 

Regimen:

-Thermadex: 1 cap every morning before cardio/breakfast.
-Paragon: 1 capsule 3 x per day spread evenly.
-Prodigy: 1 scoop 30-45 min before evening workout.
-D Test: 2 caps with Paragon morning an evening

Before Stats:

-Weight:179
-Arms:15.5 in.
-Bench Press:275

After Stats:

-Weight: 189
-Arms:16 in.
-Bench Press: 315

**Note: I decided it is important to make this very clear. Josiah purchased these products on his own and they were not given to him as some type of sponsorship. Also, had we been asked we would not have recommended that he STACK NMDA (PARAGON) with D-Test, mostly because it is not necessary - and not necessarily because it is unsafe, which is still only speculation. However, I needed to report the entire STACK that Josiah used to make these gains because I wanted this to be entirely truthful. But, it is MY opinion that he would have made the same progress had he only utilized PARAGON and not the D-Test with it. Thank you for reading and please respect Josiah in this thread since he is just simply a happy PNI customer and nothing more.
 
No ones disrespecting him.

So, 1/2 in on his biceps, 35lbs on his bench and a netted 10lb muscle gain with a 3k-4k diet.

Got it.

Could i see what your diet was for a day? Just for curiosity purposes
 
tyga tyga said:
No ones disrespecting him.

So, 1/2 in on his biceps, 35lbs on his bench and a netted 10lb muscle gain with a 3k-4k diet.

Got it.

Could i see what your diet was for a day? Just for curiosity purpose.
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Actually its 40 for BP, but now I'm just nit picking lol.
 
Just wondering when you are going to warn your facebook fans that the stack you are advertising is not safe?
 
Luke_PNI said:
Show me your studies and your google searches since you seem to be 100% certain its unsafe
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Show me reasoning that it is. Your the representative not me. The fact that you can market this to uneducated people knowing there could be negative effects and not tell them is appalling! That doesn't say much for you. The fact it remains in your online marketing doesn't say much for your company. I have a lot of respect for PNI products but advising people to follow after a persons negligent decisions is absurd.
 
Luke_PNI said:
Show me your studies and your google searches since you seem to be 100% certain its unsafe
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Google knows all. Everyone knows that lol.
You guys are quick to jump on board and start bashing a company once someone with high rep starts it off, reminds me off bb.com.
Let him have his story people!
 
Dom Tavis said:
Google knows all. Everyone knows that lol.
You guys are quick to jump on board and start bashing a company once someone with high rep starts it off, reminds me off bb.com.
Let him have his story people!
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I didn't know Dan was in this thread.
 
R3ACTION said:
There you are!
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Quietly following along in the shadows this whole time....sounds kinda creepy when I read it back to myself eh?
 
Danb2285 said:
Quietly following along in the shadows this whole time....sounds kinda creepy when I read it back to myself eh?
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Lol creeper
 
R3ACTION said:
Show me reasoning that it is. Your the representative not me. The fact that you can market this to uneducated people knowing there could be negative effects and not tell them is appalling! That doesn't say much for you. The fact it remains in your online marketing doesn't say much for your company. I have a lot of respect for PNI products but advising people to follow after a persons negligent decisions is absurd.
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haha wow man get out of town.... SIMPLE SPECULATION. There COULD BE negative effects to sweetener, iced lemonade, hell grape bubble gum and your gonna keep making these statements when there COULD BE negative side effects to something you have nothing to back it up with. So, again we do not market or advise D-test taken together with paragon, but thats how it was taken. And I did send you an inbox with information and do not question PNI or our team.


And from the guy that creeped on Josiah's Facebook and copy and pasted his pictures on here questioning....SMH. Again on something you have no idea about. KINDA creepy...

This is my last post about this ......good day
 
Dom tavis.. isnt there some dude named tom davis in every andro factory thread?

Anyways, questioning a "10lb pure muscle gain" isnt an attack on the product. How can you not understand people are going to be skeptical? And come to the conclusion that something isnt "right"

Cliff notes -
1/2 inch added to biceps
10 pounds of PURE muscle- not a single lb of fat accumulation
+40lbs on a single compound movement -bench press
3k-4k cals a day, 1k swing in calories
Used natty test boosters and a fat burner
 
tyga tyga said:
Dom tavis.. isnt there some dude named tom davis in every andro factory thread?

Anyways, questioning a "10lb pure muscle gain" isnt an attack on the product. How can you not understand people are going to be skeptical? And come to the conclusion that something isnt "right"

Cliff notes -
1/2 inch added to biceps
10 pounds of PURE muscle- not a single lb of fat accumulation
+40lbs on a single compound movement -bench press
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Yes. Long story. It started on a different forum. He is a creep and I'll leave it at that.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Nope, they are both NMDA agonists, and supplementing NMDA may reduce DAA methylation via Le Chatelier's principle. So using both supplements is:1. Anti-synergistic/diminishing2. Potentially dangerous
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Bump, I for one am not going to question him. I doubt 99% of members here would. I never received a pm from you. Good day sir it was a pleasure.
 
Fellas fellas fellas. I appreciate your concern, but bashing PNI/luke for a choice I made is just silly. I was not told what to do. Everything was my decision. I bought them, and took them how I wanted to. Got great results thanks to them. And that's the whole point.
 
Josiah M. said:
Fellas fellas fellas. I appreciate your concern, but bashing PNI/luke for a choice I made is just silly. I was not told what to do. Everything was my decision. I bought them, and took them how I wanted to. Got great results thanks to them. And that's the whole point.
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Visalus users claim the same thing. interesting.
 
R3ACTION said:
Bump, I for one am not going to question him. I doubt 99% of members here would. I never received a pm from you. Good day sir it was a pleasure.
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Quick comment. Never take someone else's word on something just because you assume they know more than you. Don't forget that his words are suppositions based on clinical studies, nothing more. They are not scripture. This is not a slam towards Coop as he seems to be highly revered on this forum. Just remember he is medical student not a medical expert as you stated.

Always question your sources
 
PalmFist said:
Quick comment. Never take someone else's word on something just because you assume they know more than you. Don't forget that his words are suppositions based on clinical studies, nothing more. They are not scripture. This is not a slam towards Coop as he seems to be highly revered on this forum. Just remember he is medical student not a medical expert as you stated.

Always question your sources
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Thank you !!
 
I just want to thank all responsible for making this about the most popular thread on AM these days, with a special thanks to R3ACTION!

The truth is something very awesome is about to come out of it, so stay tuned for some very cool news from myself and PNI!!
 
EBroser said:
I just want to thank all responsible for making this about the most popular thread on AM these days, with a special thanks to R3ACTION!

The truth is something very awesome is about to come out of it, so stay tuned for some very cool news from myself and PNI!!
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Awesome!
 
EBroser said:
I just want to thank all responsible for making this about the most popular thread on AM these days, with a special thanks to R3ACTION!

The truth is something very awesome is about to come out of it, so stay tuned for some very cool news from myself and PNI!!
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STANDING OVATION !
 
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