Jessica Lunsford
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GymRat06
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Yea i live about an hour from there and i was just so saddened by this and felt sad for the family because its such an awful thing to have happen and cant imagine it. I hope he does get the death penalty and if it was my choice id have him stand out in a field and have an army of guys fill his ass with lead. Its so sick n disgusting as he probly raped her and then did away with her. :rant:
ryansm
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I know it's disturbing. I live in Texas though and they have to post a sign at their front door declaring that they are registered sex offenders.
I remember when I was stationed out in SanDiego and they came out with the "sex offender" database they showed a map of the city, and they were all over the place.
I remember when I was stationed out in SanDiego and they came out with the "sex offender" database they showed a map of the city, and they were all over the place.
bux4source
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And it is always a fucking formerly convicted, recently released pedophile. The **** up part
is that his got damn sister actually told the cops that he didn't live at her residence when other family members were telling cops that he did. I mean she knew that he was convicted of fondling a child after breaking into her home before. I really feel bad for the grandparents. You know they are blaming themselves right now. THey put her to bed and didn't hear a peep. Didn't even know she was missing to the next morning.
is that his got damn sister actually told the cops that he didn't live at her residence when other family members were telling cops that he did. I mean she knew that he was convicted of fondling a child after breaking into her home before. I really feel bad for the grandparents. You know they are blaming themselves right now. THey put her to bed and didn't hear a peep. Didn't even know she was missing to the next morning.
VanillaGorilla
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I can't image how horrific that must be to go threw. They need to change the laws. 9-10 they have a prior history of it. I don't know if it's putting them in a mental hospital for life or jail for life on a first offense. One thing for sure is that they usually repeat and it escalates. If any one deserves the death penalty this guys does.
VanillaGorilla
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Seeing that the ACLU is defending F-ing NABLA I would be inclined to agree with you.
wranglergirl
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This whole thing sickens me...and brings back some unhappy memories as a child......My parents had a simlair nightmare, they lost a child not to a sex offender but to someone who would have grown up to be one......and he took my sister with him.......I feel the grandparents pain......
I think the worst part like someone said......My sister went to bed and no one heard a thing....Not a damn thing.......
I think the worst part like someone said......My sister went to bed and no one heard a thing....Not a damn thing.......intv
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Wow, sorry wranglergirl. I can't imagine your family's pain. Anyone with kids (or even without for that matter) should find out if there are any convicted offenders close to them. It's hard to google and get anything but paysites or popup sites, but at least this one has links: Invalid Link Removed Alabama's site is pretty good, listing pics, conviction, address, etc. We've got FIVE within a one mile radius of our house. We're in a middle-class suburb, but on the fringe. Luckily none of them are in our immediate neighborhood. The convictions range from sodomizing a 5 year old boy to raping a 13 year old girl at knife-point. One guy who was convicted of rape and sexual abuse was sentenced to only 2 years! I'm printing the list out to bring with me to the next neighborhood association meeting. I don't want to harrass these people (well, maybe I do), but I think anyone around them needs to know.
size
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Pedophiles are the absolute scum of the earth. I do not think there is anything lower or worse than pedophilia (maybe abortion).
Pedophiles should be locked away in penal colonies and never released. Giving a pedophile a second chance is disgraceful and revolting. No child that is molested,raped,etc ever gets a second chance. Instead, the poor child is forced to live life with the nightmare.
Pedophiles should be locked away in penal colonies and never released. Giving a pedophile a second chance is disgraceful and revolting. No child that is molested,raped,etc ever gets a second chance. Instead, the poor child is forced to live life with the nightmare.
natedogg
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Whoa, you can't possibly say abortion is any worse than rape or molestation. You may say both can be crimes against children. But lets say the parents do keep the child and end up being abusive or just horrible parents. Or what if they instead, they wrap it in a plastic bag and toss it in the dumpster like a piece of garbage. Is that any better? There are hundreds of thousands of orphaned children in the world today. I don't think we need any more. I do believe in pro choice. I don't believe that abortion should be a form of birth control nor do I believe that partial birth abortion should be legal (this is where they actually terminate the childs life after it has been born).size said:
natedogg
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Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I don't know if you know how they abort a baby fetus in the womb, but it is rather cruel. But I still believe that it should be the mother's right. Now when you get on the subject of PBA, I again completely agree that it's considered murder. And as I said before I think it's rediculous when someone uses abortion as BC because they're too ignorant or too lazy to educate themselves on safe sex. Me and my wife have gone round and round on this subject several times before. This is a sensitive topic to many people and I can understand why.size said:
VanillaGorilla
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Man .......they don't give those guys enough prison time. There are people who were convicted in 2002 or 03 and already out of prison. They really need to do something about this.
wranglergirl
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Iron Warrior
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People like this bastard shouldn't be given the death penalty, that's letting them off too easy, they should be physically tortured for a minimum of a decade. You need extreme punishment on these sick bastards. I myself can't think of anything of anything worse than crimes against children because they are defenseless and innocent. These bastards deserve no rights, I don't care what some ACLU lawyer might say, maybe if they go through what the children and the parents go through they'd understand
Grassroots082
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Iron Warrior said:
I agree with you IW, I think the death penalty would be a luxury as opposed to years of getting raped, molested and tortured by other inmates. Most state pens don't take too kindly to sex offenders (not that I have ever been in one as a prisoner).
Funny Monkey
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what absolutely bogggles my mind is that people like Michael Moore tells the country there is no real threat and that guns are not neccesary. If I caught some sick mother fucker trying to nab my daughter if I even had one. I woudl bend his ass over after I broke both his legs give him a tatse of his own medicine with a broom a stick cut his fucking dick and balls off rip his tounge out and then hope he lives I could always plead temporary insanity. Di-fucking-scusting
speakle
DONT F$*# WITH MY NUTS!
OMFG, I heard about that NAMBLA organization on the radio the other day and thought I heard it wrong. I just looked at the website and apparently I didnt hear anything wrong. How the hell can something like that be allowed to run??????? Since 1978!!!!????? I feel F'in nautious.
VanillaGorilla
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They are some pretty F'd up people. Two guys here raped and killed a kid. They apparently got some tips from a NAMBLA book called rape and escape. I'll spare everyone the details of what they did to him. The parents sued or are suing NAMBLA. Guess who is defending them? The ACLU.
I honestly don't know why there isn't more vigilantism with cases like this. My guess is if laws aren't changed people are going to get tired of it really fast. Florida for example seems to have some major problems. All I can say if I had children and someone even touched them I would kill them. If I was on a jury and a parent killed a child mostester after he got out of prison in 3 years I would acquit them. This situation is out of control.
CDB
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They get out too early because we have to make room for all those dangerous marijuana smokers and white collar criminals. It's one of the after effects of making everything people find slightly displeasing a crime. Resources get spread too thin, both for enforcement of the law and dealing with the people after they're caught. An ideal societ would have few laws but take those laws seriously.
As far as abortion goes, what's moral and ethical and what's immoral and unethical doesn't always equate to what should be legal or illegal. An old prof of mine offered a good analogy. Say you live in the woods, and there's a massive snow storm outside. A mentally retarded person comes to your house. Say he sneaks in or you even invite him in out of the storm. Do you have the right to evict him even though it would mean certain death? I would say yes. However immoral and unethical it would be to do so, you should retain your right to remove him from your house. I believe in property rights and the ultimate piece of property you can own is yourself, and I think you should have the final say about what goes on with your body. That's why no matter how disgusting abortion is to me, I would never try and make it illegal.
That's not to say that's the only point of view or deny the child's life. Where does that life begin though, if it can even be said to begin because tehcnically "life" never ended? Is a woman who has a miscarriage guilty of manslaughter if it could have been reasonably avoided? I would definitely say the child has rights, but so does the mother. They can be in conflict. I'd be much more in favor of making abortion illegal if adoption were easier than it is. I know of couples who have been waiting for a long, long time to adopt because they can't have children of their own. And sadly enough some kids just aren't wanted by anyone.
A problem is people tend to argue from emotion here, few facts are discussed and admittedly few are in evidence really. I would say at least on a federal level it should be a nonissue, left completely to the states here in the US. That seems the only meeting point that works and would find a balance between the judgement of people on both sides of the issue.
As far as abortion goes, what's moral and ethical and what's immoral and unethical doesn't always equate to what should be legal or illegal. An old prof of mine offered a good analogy. Say you live in the woods, and there's a massive snow storm outside. A mentally retarded person comes to your house. Say he sneaks in or you even invite him in out of the storm. Do you have the right to evict him even though it would mean certain death? I would say yes. However immoral and unethical it would be to do so, you should retain your right to remove him from your house. I believe in property rights and the ultimate piece of property you can own is yourself, and I think you should have the final say about what goes on with your body. That's why no matter how disgusting abortion is to me, I would never try and make it illegal.
That's not to say that's the only point of view or deny the child's life. Where does that life begin though, if it can even be said to begin because tehcnically "life" never ended? Is a woman who has a miscarriage guilty of manslaughter if it could have been reasonably avoided? I would definitely say the child has rights, but so does the mother. They can be in conflict. I'd be much more in favor of making abortion illegal if adoption were easier than it is. I know of couples who have been waiting for a long, long time to adopt because they can't have children of their own. And sadly enough some kids just aren't wanted by anyone.
A problem is people tend to argue from emotion here, few facts are discussed and admittedly few are in evidence really. I would say at least on a federal level it should be a nonissue, left completely to the states here in the US. That seems the only meeting point that works and would find a balance between the judgement of people on both sides of the issue.
Funny Monkey
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I agree 100% a woman does have the right to decide what goes on with her body. She has the right to say "hey I can't afford nor do I want a kid right now. Could you please wear a condom? maybe I shoudl be on BC? Maybe I shoudlnt put penis inside of me?"CDB said:
I am sure no man or woman decides to keep an STD but they are stuck with it. To me its all cause and effect.
size
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Without completely ruining this thread, a baby is half the mother and half the father. The woman is simply the carrier yet she has complete control prior to birth?
Another approach, how many women and men cry when they have a miscarriage? They mourn the miscarriage as the loss of a child. However, for many when the pregnancy is inconvient, it is no longer a child but just tissue.
These are just some of the serious issues and to me flawed logic that I have with abortion. However, this thread is not about abortion so I will stop with this as I did not intend for it to go in this direction.
Another approach, how many women and men cry when they have a miscarriage? They mourn the miscarriage as the loss of a child. However, for many when the pregnancy is inconvient, it is no longer a child but just tissue.
These are just some of the serious issues and to me flawed logic that I have with abortion. However, this thread is not about abortion so I will stop with this as I did not intend for it to go in this direction.
CDB
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True, there are other options to avoid getting pregnant. But none of them are truly 100% effective except abstinence, and to expect people to stop screwing is to expect the impossible. Ideally I would see abortion as illegal, but this isn't an ideal world. While I may be an ideological purist I do have my practical side when it comes to the real world. I realize if you take my views to their logical extreme parents should be able to kill their kids as long as the kids are dependent on them, which is of course unreasonable and unpracticle.Funny Monkey said:
Aeternitatis
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I agree with you Size. BUt I do not agree with illegalizing abortion. To further create new law is to lower our standing as a truely civil society. Afterall, laws are the great marker showing that we are indeed not so civil. Someday, people will realize.size said:
As for the pedder-ass, I'd beat him and throw him to the wolves. Not too long ago a freshmen girl was gang raped in the parking lot of my old highschool. I heard that and it made me sick.
VanillaGorilla
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I just don't understand how anyone could ever do something like that. I hope the guy gets the death penalty. I guess the police went to the trailer looking for the guy and the three people who were there lied to them and said he wasn't there. They think she might have been still alive at that point.
BodyWizard
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Once the facts are established in cases like this, there should be no appeal (the only circumstance for denying appeal, IMO) - the perpetrators should be declared outlaws - as in, outside the protection of the law: anything done to them would be the righteous retribution of the community, and no penalty would adhere thereto.
Then, they should be placed in stocks in an area with lots of foot traffic; their fates would stand as warnings to others of similar inclination.
But then, I have a daughter...if we won't stand up for our children (as individuals, as a community, as a civilisation), then we're less than animals - no matter what our pretentions.
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Then, they should be placed in stocks in an area with lots of foot traffic; their fates would stand as warnings to others of similar inclination.
But then, I have a daughter...if we won't stand up for our children (as individuals, as a community, as a civilisation), then we're less than animals - no matter what our pretentions.
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Funny Monkey
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I agree I woudl gladlly give up my life for the revenge on someone close to me. I had someone very close to me get raped by another so called "friend". I think if my Navy stuff went to **** then I would just print off a copy of the sex offender list and do a little drinking and target practice. What does it take for society to stand up and say no, no more?BodyWizard said:
VanillaGorilla
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I don't know. Florida definitely seems to have a big problem. It seems like most states have a revolving door with sex offenders. They commit a crime go to jail 4-6 years , get out, do it again, jail for 4-6, get out and their crimes escalate and they kill someone. If they keep treating sex offenders this way I think you could end up with a situation like the minute men and the Mexican boarder. You will have the citizens doing the job the state should be.
The Experiment
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I say, no death penalty because he'll be on Death Row. Throw him in the general population of the prison. He'll be cornholed and shanked by the end of his first week.
Funny Monkey
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Anybody ever see that show American Justice when they talk about vigilantes (sp)? That show is awesome I wish more people woudl do stuff like that now seems like all of that happened in the late 80's early 90's. My fav. one is whenthe father blows that dudes head off because he raped his daughter. He was just talking at the pay phone behing all the news cameras then bam bye bye bad person. He just got 300 hours of service and 5 years probation.
The Experiment
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Well, the Jessica Lunsford act passed without a hitch in Florida. Offenders get 25 to Life. If they get out, they are tracked. This is if they are 11 or under. 12 and above, they are tracked until their probation ends.
In my state, they are pushing for tough offenses because we had a child who was killed by a sex offender (Iowa). I was extremely pissed off after reading this editorial, defending these assholes:
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As much as I try to be open minded with politics, I cannot with rapists (including those who falsely accuse someone of rape) and molesters.
In my state, they are pushing for tough offenses because we had a child who was killed by a sex offender (Iowa). I was extremely pissed off after reading this editorial, defending these assholes:
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As much as I try to be open minded with politics, I cannot with rapists (including those who falsely accuse someone of rape) and molesters.
CDB
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While I would happily see molesters, rapists and murderers in prison for life, the writer of that article does have a good point. Not everyone labeled as a sex offender is a threat to children. Take any case where a guy ends up in prison of rape charges because the girl he slept with consensually was underage, even if she looks 18 going on 40. I think most states have some reasonable protection against this type of thing, allowing for a certain spread of years between two people and such before them sleeping together becomes a criminal offense. Still, all laws are politically enforced at times. All you have to do is go to any college campus and visit the local feminazi chapter and you'll see how many guys are labeled rapists because they had consensual sex with a girl, over or underage, when one or both of them was drunk, and she wakes up the next morning and regrets the decision. This kind of mentality drives a lot of sex crime legislation. I'd be wary of making any kind of blanket judgement on any group of people, especially a group that's been defined politically through legislation.The Experiment said:
What I'd prefer is that the government stop spending so much time and money locking up all those dangerous potheads, steroid users and other recreational drug users so they'd have more resources to devote to tracking down and locking up actual criminals. Like people who hurt others or rob others.
The Experiment
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I know about the feminism ****. After all, I do go to college. Most feminists say that because they've never had sex in their lives and don't know how it is. In effect, its like the media and steroids. They didn't shoot Test so they don't know **** about it. On one hand, feminists believe in sexual freedom, but on the other hand, think that every form of sex between a man and a woman is rape. Then again, extreme feminism is seldom logical so I probably won't find an answer why.
In my state, the age of consent is 16. I think 16 is definitely a good age. Although for a girl to get into my pants, the age of consent is not a day under 18. I am against sex with anyone under 12 for example at any costs. Even with another 12 year old. Especially if its a 40 year old man or woman that is the other party. Its just not right in my opinion.
In my state, the age of consent is 16. I think 16 is definitely a good age. Although for a girl to get into my pants, the age of consent is not a day under 18. I am against sex with anyone under 12 for example at any costs. Even with another 12 year old. Especially if its a 40 year old man or woman that is the other party. Its just not right in my opinion.
Funny Monkey
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WTF?The Experiment said:
Thank you for clearing that up for us that you do not desire children under the age of 12 :lol:The Experiment said:
CDB
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That's not really where the problem lies though. A 40 year old going after a 12 year old belongs in prison. A 17 year old with a 15 year old isn't so easy to deal with. Especially if there is no law that imposes a forced reasonable approach and the girl has a father who simply will not consider the possibility the relationship was consensual. In such a situation the young guy may be branded a sex offender for the rest of his life. I'd say depending on circumstances that could be very wrong.The Experiment said:
S.C.
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I think it is the age difference that matters the most, and then the age itself.CDB said:
I cannot wish any more harm upon a 40 year old sexual offender, seriously. They not only do harm to the child for the time being, the act remains with the poor child for the rest of her life as a memory to haunt her. I cannot even explain how angry this makes me.
CDB
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Some people are fucked up beyond anything that should be tolerated, it's that simple. It's why I think we need fewer laws in this country. We need to stop locking up people for things that shouldn't be crimes and things that should be dealt with as civil matters. That leaves more open resources to go after actual criminals. Problem is, there's no money in going after actual criminals.S.C. said:
The Experiment
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Care to elaborate?WTF?
I think it should be done in phases. Like if its within a year (girl is 17 and guy is 18 but there's only three months in difference), then it should be a very minor misdemeanor and once a small fine ($150-250) is paid, then it goes off his record
If its between 1 and 2 years, larger fine but no criminal record.
2-3 years is on the record and a hefty fine.
3+ years is the same as any other sex offense with minors.
CDB
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Still not that simple. A 19 year old with a 16 year old isn't that off base. Some people mature faster than others. Plus as you get older the spread of years matters less. No one would think twice about a 40 year old man and a 30 year old woman. A 20 year old man or woman with a 10 year old kid though, is obviously fucked.The Experiment said:
Personally I think the law should be left deliberately vague so judges can make determinations based on the specifics of each case and not some predetermined framework that's guaranteed to screw someone who doesn't deserve it. Espcially since it's the guy who almost always gets screwed. Many a father would have happily branded many a young guy with the label rapist or child molester when they didn't deserve it.
The Experiment
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I don't get how the guy gets screwed over the worst since it does take two to do the dirty deed after all.
I favor true equality and think both parties should get punished. Although you are right about age but there has to be some line drawn. Unfortunately, it must be with age. If it went by maturity, some people would never be consenting age
I favor true equality and think both parties should get punished. Although you are right about age but there has to be some line drawn. Unfortunately, it must be with age. If it went by maturity, some people would never be consenting age