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I am starting a 10 week cycle of Trest/LGD and have a few questions.

TD Trest 30mg ed
LGD 5mg ed
Exemestane 12.5mg ed
Prami ed (haven’t chosen a dosage yet)

In case of gyno flares:
Up Exemestane dosage to 25mg ed
Start Ralox 60mg ed until symptoms calm down and continue for a few days

PCT:
5 days post cycle
HCG eod 750/750/750/750/500/500/500/250/250
1 week later
Nolva 40mg ed for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mg ed for 2 weeks

Are there any major holes in this cycle?
In anyone’s experience, should I reverse my cycle support and run a SERM on-cycle instead of an AI when using Trest?
What dosages of Prami have you used while on a Trest cycle?
Is there any benefit to upping the LGD dose to 10mg?
Should I take Inhibit-P while on cycle with the Prami, or even cut the Prami out unless prolactin problems arise?
What effect on mood have you experienced on Trest?

I’ve run 5mg LGD cycles with mild AI PCT and respond well to it. Because I am running a stronger PCT should I just up the dose to 10mg?

I’ve never really been prone to gyno or estrogen problems, but am expecting it this cycle. Never used Trest before. Thank you for all the wisdom you guys share here.
 
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Is this TD trest ace?
I've ran it a few times before and at 30mg you shouldn't have much of a problem, but I would rather run 30mg of ralox/day and lower the AI dose. Then go up with the ralox if needed, and prami only if none of that helps but unless you get bloods mid cycle it's hard know what the issue is.

I would also go ahead and up the LGD because I don't see 5mg doing anything at all. If you've actually seen results from that before then that's great and you can always go up later if needed.
 

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Yes, it is TD Trest ace. Why do you prefer running a serm on cycle over an AI with Trest?

LGD just seems to work well for me. I ran a low dose (5mg) so I wouldn't feel like ass and was only using 4 andro instead of a real base. Even at 5mg it did way more for me than I expected.
 
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Trest gyno is a bitch to deal with. I got it on my first cycle and raising my AI did nothing. Ended up drinking bottles of ralox, letro and prami to get it managed, and even then it took a couple months. Next time I used it I just stuck with Ralox (I think 50mg ed if I remember right) and then used a low dose of letro and it was fine. I think it has something to do with it not converting via the aromatase enzyme which is why there is little success with using just an AI with trest. It's one of my favorite compounds but I feel like I'm always paranoid because of how touchy estrogen is on it.
 

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Been on cycle for 1 week. Biggest concern is the consistency of absorption with TD Trest. Feels like some days it doesn't work at all. I went in expecting to feel something after a week or two. I was surprised to start feeling it a few hours after taking it and by noon on day 1 I felt switched on as if god activated super mode. Noticed strength increase after a few days. My concern is that I've only felt it 3 days out of 8. I either feel amazing or feel kind of shitty, nervous, tired, weak, as if I am mildly suppressed. No in between. Have upped the dosage to 45 mg in the morning and 30 mg later in day but notice zero difference.

When it works: I feel ready to crush ****. Have almost a manic level of confidence and aggression, yet hold a constant subtle calmness.

When it doesn't work: Feel shitty, tired, less social. Feels exactly like being a few weeks into LGD without a base.

I had started exemestane at night on day 1 because I expected a significant amount of aromatization to occur quickly. One day later it felt like I crashed my e pretty hard so I backed off and am waiting. My concerns with the efficacy of TD Trest are because of the following: Only feels like its working sometimes and when it doesn't I just feel suppressed. Haven't taken any AI, serm, or dopa-agonist in 7 days yet notice absolutely zero estrogen sides etc. More than doubled my dosage per day but it hasn't solved the inconsistency problem.

I will continue as planned, but am unsure about TD. What have you experienced a week or so into TD Trest Ace? Am I wrong to expect to feel something already? Have you experienced inconsistency with TDs? For anyone who has also experienced variable consistency, did you still get the results you expected through the cycle? Is the difference between TD and IM majorly significant?

I have tried rubbing it into the tops of my feet, my neck, chest and the inside of my biceps. What is the best place to do this. Could something as simple as the fact it is cold when I get out of the shower before applying it affect the effectiveness this much? I'm buying a portable heater tomorrow for my feet and will make sure them bitches are warm before applying.
 
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Couple things. Rolox or nolva you should take daily and drop that ai dose to EOD at most. Lgd at 5mg a day is pointless for most but if you think it works I can't say nothing.
There's no reason to taper off hcg. And to your question about upping the dose cus of a stronger pct, I'm not sure why that would matter. The trest is going to tank your test to near zero so you mine as well get the most out of the lgd. From my experience lgd don't do much till 15 to 20mg. Or more
 

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I am upping the LGD as soon as I figure out the consistency of the Trest. What I meant about the dose in relation to PCT was that in the past I have used 5mg when using a weak PCT in order to minimize the suppression a little bit. There is no reason to do that now because I am also using Trest and a strong PCT. I've used 10mg ed with a real PCT and also have used 5mg ed with only a weak AI. For whatever reason I respond very well to LGD and even at 5mg I bulk up a lot. I find that it causes a lot of suppression for a SARM, even more at 10-15 mg. I will probably run 15mg this cycle once I get the Trest dialed in.

Any input on TD Trest absorption or consistency? If using IM is a huge difference I will go that route. What I am looking for this cycle is one last big bulk. Right now is good timing for me to go hard and have ample time to recover after. If I have to change things up or add anything I absolutely can do that.
 
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I am upping the LGD as soon as I figure out the consistency of the Trest. What I meant about the dose in relation to PCT was that in the past I have used 5mg when using a weak PCT in order to minimize the suppression a little bit. There is no reason to do that now because I am also using Trest and a strong PCT. I've used 10mg ed with a real PCT and also have used 5mg ed with only a weak AI. For whatever reason I respond very well to LGD and even at 5mg I bulk up a lot. I find that it causes a lot of suppression for a SARM, even more at 10-15 mg. I will probably run 15mg this cycle once I get the Trest dialed in.

Any input on TD Trest absorption or consistency? If using IM is a huge difference I will go that route. What I am looking for this cycle is one last big bulk. Right now is good timing for me to go hard and have ample time to recover after. If I have to change things up or add anything I absolutely can do that.
Not really sure. The last td trest I used had was like water almost. I would shave upper chest and apply there, traps shoulders and inner elbow where the skin is thin. It absorbed almost immediately
 
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I am upping the LGD as soon as I figure out the consistency of the Trest. What I meant about the dose in relation to PCT was that in the past I have used 5mg when using a weak PCT in order to minimize the suppression a little bit. There is no reason to do that now because I am also using Trest and a strong PCT. I've used 10mg ed with a real PCT and also have used 5mg ed with only a weak AI. For whatever reason I respond very well to LGD and even at 5mg I bulk up a lot. I find that it causes a lot of suppression for a SARM, even more at 10-15 mg. I will probably run 15mg this cycle once I get the Trest dialed in.

Any input on TD Trest absorption or consistency? If using IM is a huge difference I will go that route. What I am looking for this cycle is one last big bulk. Right now is good timing for me to go hard and have ample time to recover after. If I have to change things up or add anything I absolutely can do that.
Is it PRE TD trest. I used it at 30mg day and exactly how you described first dose I could feel it absorb and when I went to the gym that day I didn’t want to leave and literally could have worked out all day. I’d stay at 30mg a day. 15 morning 15 evening. I made very significant gains on it. I would suggest taking 30 twice a day. It will flare your gyno up in no time and then good luck trying to control it. TD is totally different then IM. IM ace is quick acting TD still builds at least that’s how I felt. I ran it for 3 months I paired it with winstrol. Got very strong. If you have access I’d get a dht to run alongside it you won’t be disappointed.
 

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Update:

Been 2 weeks on trest. I've gained 6 pounds and have just hit the point where gains are clear and noticeable. Seems like my traps and lats are growing without being intensely targeted. I've got none of the bloat, moonface, or heavy water retention I expected. Only been 2 weeks, we'll see.

No major gyno symptoms, however 2 days ago I noticed my left nipple looks slightly larger than the right. No lumps or sensitivity, just seems bigger. I have continued to feel as if some days the trest doesn't work. I'm either switched on or I feel tired, anxious, feel suppressed. Doubting the absorption, I increased my dosage to 60ml twice a day. This itself did not solve the issue I believe. I believe I have resolved it as of 3 days ago. 3 days ago, I began using Ralox and Prami at night. Immediately since then, the switched on feeling is back and I have felt this way for 3 days straight now. Perhaps the shitty feeling was from high e or high prolactin/low dopamine and not bad absorption. I guess it is possible the trest levels had to build up or I needed the increased dose, but I am leaning more toward suspecting prolactin or e, because the difference was immediate following the Ralox/Prami. I've only ever experienced low e, so if the problem was high e, then I don't know the difference yet because to me it feels counterintuitively identical. The only reason I wasn't already taking Prami was because it made me feel sick the first time I took it and killed my appetite. I am now taking a very low dose Prami ED and 30mg Ralox ED and feel great. Will probably drop my Trest dosage back down if I still feel like I've solved the issue in a few days.


Currently taking:

TD Trest Ace 60mg BID
LGD 5mg QD
Ralox 30mg QD
Prami .1ish QD

Considering the addition of Msten or Epi because this cycle feels like it has zero androgenic activity. Still considering switching to IM Trest. I have a few bottles of oral Trest I have never taken before. May try some soon when I drop my dose back down. Will continue posting updates on my cycle.
 

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Update:

Been 2 weeks on trest. I've gained 6 pounds and have just hit the point where gains are clear and noticeable. Seems like my traps and lats are growing without being intensely targeted. I've got none of the bloat, moonface, or heavy water retention I expected. Only been 2 weeks, we'll see.

No major gyno symptoms, however 2 days ago I noticed my left nipple looks slightly larger than the right. No lumps or sensitivity, just seems bigger. I have continued to feel as if some days the trest doesn't work. I'm either switched on or I feel tired, anxious, feel suppressed. Doubting the absorption, I increased my dosage to 60ml twice a day. This itself did not solve the issue I believe. I believe I have resolved it as of 3 days ago. 3 days ago, I began using Ralox and Prami at night. Immediately since then, the switched on feeling is back and I have felt this way for 3 days straight now. Perhaps the shitty feeling was from high e or high prolactin/low dopamine and not bad absorption. I guess it is possible the trest levels had to build up or I needed the increased dose, but I am leaning more toward suspecting prolactin or e, because the difference was immediate following the Ralox/Prami. I've only ever experienced low e, so if the problem was high e, then I don't know the difference yet because to me it feels counterintuitively identical. The only reason I wasn't already taking Prami was because it made me feel sick the first time I took it and killed my appetite. I am now taking a very low dose Prami ED and 30mg Ralox ED and feel great. Will probably drop my Trest dosage back down if I still feel like I've solved the issue in a few days.


Currently taking:

TD Trest Ace 60mg BID
LGD 5mg QD
Ralox 30mg QD
Prami .1ish QD

Considering the addition of Msten or Epi because this cycle feels like it has zero androgenic activity. Still considering switching to IM Trest. I have a few bottles of oral Trest I have never taken before. May try some soon when I drop my dose back down. Will continue posting updates on my cycle.
I ran msten with IM trest enth and its a great combo. I never loved TD trest that much honestly. I know some guys do but I never got a ton from it. Trest + a DHT derivative is an amazing combo.
I was running aromasin and Ralox both at high doses and still had gyno issues. I’d recommend caber or Prami alongside Ralox. If you go IM you will need much less, I think I ran like 125 a week maybe and with just my TRT dose of test
 
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So 120mg of PRE TD Trest Ace per day?! I cannot even imagine what that would do or feel like. I've always used PRE and never had any problems but 120mg of this stuff per day and I don't see how it would be possible to not have gyno no matter what you're trying to control it with. This is just insane to me. Also pretty expensive so hopefully you start to see some really good results.
 
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That 120mg gonna catch up to you in a week. Your nips will be bad.
 

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So 120mg of PRE TD Trest Ace per day?! I cannot even imagine what that would do or feel like. I've always used PRE and never had any problems but 120mg of this stuff per day and I don't see how it would be possible to not have gyno no matter what you're trying to control it with. This is just insane to me. Also pretty expensive so hopefully you start to see some really good results.
That 120mg gonna catch up to you in a week. Your nips will be bad.
This morning I dropped back down and took 30mg. I only upped it because I was seriously starting to doubt the absorption and said **** it I'll full send this **** for a few days and see if I feel different. I've felt great for like 4 days now since switching from Exemestane to Ralox and starting Prami. Appreciate everyone looking out, bad gyno is pretty much my greatest fear.

What I'm liking about the Trest, is that after a week or so on this stuff I can completely annihilate myself in the gym and barely be sore if at all the next day. I've usually done best with a stimulate not destroy mentality.
 

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Began pinning Trest 3 days ago. Had gone more than a week without any Trest at all due to a accident that caused all my bottles of Trest and a bottle of Ralox to break. Lets just say I had a bad time once all the Trest cleared. Felt like total **** from suppression but I'm a tough guy so I did what I had to do and went through my week. Still felt good for a few days after until it cleared. I did have a shitload of oral Trest on hand but **** that **** as a base. I honestly thought it would keep levels up a bit while waiting for my replacement, but it seems way too unstable to use as a base. Up and down up and down etc. I didn't feel the IM Trest immediately like I did with the TD but I'm assuming that's because I was now starting from an already suppressed state instead of normal. After 3 days its built up enough for me to feel good again. Thank god.

A few days after the loss, all water retention was gone and so while I looked like I lost a little size, my weight was only down by 1 pound and it in fact cleared away to expose all the lean progress I made the first couple weeks. ie. I am still up several pounds from the beginning without water weight. So its safe to say that Trest can definitely lean you out if you aren't consuming a crazy amount of carbs. I was in a slight deficit while waiting for more Trest.

So here I am now back on my grind. Food prep on point. All materials including PCT etc. on hand in a slight surplus to be safe. I also have Msten on hand but not sure if I'm going to use it. I'd like to keep DHT levels up on this cycle but I am unsure what to use without going too hard. Been pinning delts, and they are certainly sore. Current protocol:

IM Trest Ace 25mg QD
LGD 5mg QD
Ralox 15mg QD
Prami .25mg QD
Cialis 7.5mg QD

In case of gyno flares:
Up Prami dosage
Up Ralox dosage QD until symptoms calm down and continue for a few days

PCT:
5 days post cycle
HCG eod 750/750/750/750/500/500/500/250/250
1 week later
Nolva 40mg ed for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mg ed for 2 weeks
 
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5mg lgd is a waste, I'd go for 15 to 30.

I needed about 50mg of rolox per day on trest, some ppl need even more.

I don't think there's any benefit to taper off hcg.

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Trest gyno is a bitch to deal with. I got it on my first cycle and raising my AI did nothing. Ended up drinking bottles of ralox, letro and prami to get it managed, and even then it took a couple months. Next time I used it I just stuck with Ralox (I think 50mg ed if I remember right) and then used a low dose of letro and it was fine. I think it has something to do with it not converting via the aromatase enzyme which is why there is little success with using just an AI with trest. It's one of my favorite compounds but I feel like I'm always paranoid because of how touchy estrogen is on it.
DHT steroids like masteron or even some proviron seem to work best for us who have really tried to manage methyl estrogen on trest (and other compounds). The dht seems to limit the conversion and makes managing estrogen sides much more manageable. Along with a prolactin drug like some caber or prami seems to be the best solution to managing estro sides.
 
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DHT steroids like masteron or even some proviron seem to work best for us who have really tried to manage methyl estrogen on trest (and other compounds). The dht seems to limit the conversion and makes managing estrogen sides much more manageable. Along with a prolactin drug like some caber or prami seems to be the best solution to managing estro sides.
Good to know. I didn't realize a DHT would help in the case of how estrogen is converted with trest, for the same reason an AI doesn't seem to work as well. I definitely agree a dopamine agonist should be used, from anecdotal perspective. I have a good amount of epiandro, do you think that would be good to run alongside trest to help? I don't know how that compares to mast or proviron as I haven't ran either of those before.
 
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Good to know. I didn't realize a DHT would help in the case of how estrogen is converted with trest, for the same reason an AI doesn't seem to work as well. I definitely agree a dopamine agonist should be used, from anecdotal perspective. I have a good amount of epiandro, do you think that would be good to run alongside trest to help? I don't know how that compares to mast or proviron as I haven't ran either of those before.
If you have epi andro I would def run it. In my experience (and many others on this forum) dht seems to curb many of the prolactin sides from trest and other compounds. It's not an ai per say but definitely a must have with these problem 19nors like deca and especially trest. Real world its the answer for a lot of seasoned aas users, alongside some prami or caber.
 
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Good to know. I didn't realize a DHT would help in the case of how estrogen is converted with trest, for the same reason an AI doesn't seem to work as well. I definitely agree a dopamine agonist should be used, from anecdotal perspective. I have a good amount of epiandro, do you think that would be good to run alongside trest to help? I don't know how that compares to mast or proviron as I haven't ran either of those before.
I think it's because trest has zero dht conversion. I also noticed ai don't do much on trest. If I use trest again which I probably won't, I would be on a fairly hefty dose of rolox and low dose of caber
 
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Awesome read if anyone has time with a lot of experienced real world input
 

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I definitely understated it in my initial reply but yeah a DHT is a must with trest
 

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5mg lgd is a waste, I'd go for 15 to 30.

I needed about 50mg of rolox per day on trest, some ppl need even more.

I don't think there's any benefit to taper off hcg.

Just my thoughts
Still intend to increase LGD to 15mg. Just trying to change things one at a time so I get a better idea of whats going on. That's how I figured out it's the Prami that gives me insomnia and the other stuff doesn't cause me any problems whatsoever. If I don't take it I sleep fine, when I do I wake up after only a few hours wide awake, mind racing, no chance of sleep. I'm just dealing with it right now and this weekend will experiment with taking it in the morning, as well as up my LGD dosage.

Still conflicted about tapering HCG because I've been advised to both taper it and not taper it by knowledgeable people.
 

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Pinned quads today because delts are very sore. I'm assuming my delts will get used to it at some point.
 
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Pinned quads today because delts are very sore. I'm assuming my delts will get used to it at some point.
My delts would kill after a shot but if you train right after the injection it goes away faster, and yes, over the course of the first 5 to 10 delt pins it should become less painful.
 

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Things I like: Gaining weight fast during this cycle, despite a major interruption (bottles breaking) that killed my appetite, sleep, and workout routine for a week. I am now at my max weight, so every pound I gain from here is the most I’ve ever weighed. I’m not really experiencing the heavy sides everyone says Trest is notorious for. I’m still early in so we’ll see. I’ve had zero signs of gyno since switching to IM. The only signs I’ve had were when using TD Trest, my left nipple became sensitive, but I immediately started Prami and it went away. A few days I’ve felt insanely lethargic and had to push through my workout. Zero energy, felt like all I could do was lay down and was much weaker when lifting. Still push myself in the gym though. Not sure if that’s the Trest, I’m suspecting Prami. But for the most it’s been smooth sailing and I feel like I’m mostly getting the benefits. No night sweats. No bloating (yet). No moon face and no serious water retention. Recovery is amazing. Really enjoying daily Cialis. At the advice of Smont, training after pinning has helped significantly with soreness. Switching to IM made me feel stable and consistent within only a few days. I think the TD would have been the same given a little more time (was slowly feeling more and more stable ie. less ups and downs). Wish I could find more TD, it gives me a big rush of aggression after applying. Would love to use a small dose 2 hours or so pre-workout on days where I'm dragging from lethargy.

Things I don’t like: I don’t feel like I’ve dialed in on the Prami yet. Can’t figure out the timing where it won’t mess up my sleep. Nothing more frustrating then getting so tired I can’t move, just to toss and turn at night and only sleep 30 minutes during the 7 hours I’m in bed. Or waking up after 2 hours and being unable to fall back asleep. Why would a DA even make you tired at all? Would love to just take it in the morning. Pinning quads.

Have increased LGD to 10mg ED. Delts no longer really get sore from pinning. Now have larger needles but I'm probably going to continue using the 29g needles for delts since it is working fine and I'm pinning every day. I'll use 25g if I start doing glutes. Apprehensive to start using the Msten I have on hand. I do not want anything interfering with my appetite.
 

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Woke up today and delts are rock hard as if I have a full pump going, only its been hours. Definitely don't want to pin through that. Not sure if I should train delts today.
 

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Been pinning quads to give my delts a break. Shoulders were swollen and hard for a few days. Not too bad, but I'm playing it safe. Also being super sterile every time now ie. disinfecting entire work surface, rubbing skin with prep pad for 15 seconds, going straight from filling syringe to injecting without touching anything in between or setting anything down. Keeping this amazing cycle rolling. Btw, hate the PIP from pinning quads. May try glutes.
 

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Been pinning quads to give my delts a break. Shoulders were swollen and hard for a few days. Not too bad, but I'm playing it safe. Also being super sterile every time now ie. disinfecting entire work surface, rubbing skin with prep pad for 15 seconds, going straight from filling syringe to injecting without touching anything in between or setting anything down. Keeping this amazing cycle rolling. Btw, hate the PIP from pinning quads. May try glutes.
Yeah I’m not a fan of quads. Glutes or VG would be better
 
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Yeah I’m not a fan of quads. Glutes or VG would be better
Quads scare me, so much room for error. I always wanna try upper pecs but I'm a pussy, I stick to delts and glutes
 

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Getting hit with lethargy. I need some insight on how to tell if estrogen is high vs low. I've historically only had issues with low estrogen and I crash e pretty easily, which is why I use so much caution against doing so and am taking such a low dose of Ralox and no AI. Should I completely drop this mindset while on Trest? Because I am suspecting this lethargy is possibly a high estrogen side, but it feels so similar to how crashed e feels for me.

How it feels. Very tired, only want to lay down and sleep. Have to force myself to get up and continue on with meal prep, gym etc. Mild anxiety and feeling slightly antisocial. Moody, for example cute animal **** I usually don't care for touches my heart. Feel kind of bitchy. Mild moon face. None of this is constant, I feel it more towards the end of the day. This is exactly how low e feels for me, except when my e is crashed I usually feel like **** the moment I wake up. I've had none of the joint aches etc. that I've felt in the past with low e.

Overall, I'm feeling great this cycle. Just trying to dial in as perfectly as I can and reduce some of the lethargy if possible. For people who do have experience with high e, should I just stop the caution against crashing e bullshit and assume I am getting high e sides right now? I definitely expect to fight through sides like moodiness, gyno, bloating, lethargy etc. with a compound like Trest, and have honestly been surprised at how little sides I've been getting so far at the dosage I am taking. But if I am starting to get high e I need to deal with it. This is my first time running Trest, so I am still dialing in, and it's getting better and better. If it helps here is where I am.

IM Trest Ace 50mg ED
LGD 10mg ED
Ralox 25mg ED
Prami .5mg ED
Cialis 7.5mg ED

Should I up Ralox and add Exemestane?
 
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Getting hit with lethargy. I need some insight on how to tell if estrogen is high vs low. I've historically only had issues with low estrogen and I crash e pretty easily, which is why I use so much caution against doing so and am taking such a low dose of Ralox and no AI. Should I completely drop this mindset while on Trest? Because I am suspecting this lethargy is possibly a high estrogen side, but it feels so similar to how crashed e feels for me.

How it feels. Very tired, only want to lay down and sleep. Have to force myself to get up and continue on with meal prep, gym etc. Mild anxiety and feeling slightly antisocial. Moody, for example cute animal **** I usually don't care for touches my heart. Feel kind of bitchy. Mild moon face. None of this is constant, I feel it more towards the end of the day. This is exactly how low e feels for me, except when my e is crashed I usually feel like **** the moment I wake up. I've had none of the joint aches etc. that I've felt in the past with low e.

Overall, I'm feeling great this cycle. Just trying to dial in as perfectly as I can and reduce some of the lethargy if possible. For people who do have experience with high e, should I just stop the caution against crashing e bullshit and assume I am getting high e sides right now? I definitely expect to fight through sides like moodiness, gyno, bloating, lethargy etc. with a compound like Trest, and have honestly been surprised at how little sides I've been getting so far at the dosage I am taking. But if I am starting to get high e I need to deal with it. This is my first time running Trest, so I am still dialing in, and it's getting better and better. If it helps here is where I am.

IM Trest Ace 50mg ED
LGD 10mg ED
Ralox 25mg ED
Prami .5mg ED
Cialis 7.5mg ED

Should I up Ralox and add Exemestane?
Yes, please start taking aromasin asap. 50 of trest ed is a lot. Maybe even drop it to 25 or 37.5 for a bit.
 

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Getting hit with lethargy. I need some insight on how to tell if estrogen is high vs low. I've historically only had issues with low estrogen and I crash e pretty easily, which is why I use so much caution against doing so and am taking such a low dose of Ralox and no AI. Should I completely drop this mindset while on Trest? Because I am suspecting this lethargy is possibly a high estrogen side, but it feels so similar to how crashed e feels for me.

How it feels. Very tired, only want to lay down and sleep. Have to force myself to get up and continue on with meal prep, gym etc. Mild anxiety and feeling slightly antisocial. Moody, for example cute animal **** I usually don't care for touches my heart. Feel kind of bitchy. Mild moon face. None of this is constant, I feel it more towards the end of the day. This is exactly how low e feels for me, except when my e is crashed I usually feel like **** the moment I wake up. I've had none of the joint aches etc. that I've felt in the past with low e.

Overall, I'm feeling great this cycle. Just trying to dial in as perfectly as I can and reduce some of the lethargy if possible. For people who do have experience with high e, should I just stop the caution against crashing e bullshit and assume I am getting high e sides right now? I definitely expect to fight through sides like moodiness, gyno, bloating, lethargy etc. with a compound like Trest, and have honestly been surprised at how little sides I've been getting so far at the dosage I am taking. But if I am starting to get high e I need to deal with it. This is my first time running Trest, so I am still dialing in, and it's getting better and better. If it helps here is where I am.

IM Trest Ace 50mg ED
LGD 10mg ED
Ralox 25mg ED
Prami .5mg ED
Cialis 7.5mg ED

Should I up Ralox and add Exemestane?
Can you get bloodwork? That’s a healthy dose of trest with no AI and a small dose of Ralox. I wouldn’t be surprised if estrogen was high
 
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Your in for a ride anything over 50mg of legit trest ace a day. You are gonna experience high estrogen real soon. Better to stay ahead because once it creeps up and hits it’s gonna be a bitch to get ride of and you most likely going to have to crash you e in order to do that. Treat over 300mg a week is probably like 1,000- 1,500mg n of test.
 
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Getting hit with lethargy. I need some insight on how to tell if estrogen is high vs low. I've historically only had issues with low estrogen and I crash e pretty easily, which is why I use so much caution against doing so and am taking such a low dose of Ralox and no AI. Should I completely drop this mindset while on Trest? Because I am suspecting this lethargy is possibly a high estrogen side, but it feels so similar to how crashed e feels for me.

How it feels. Very tired, only want to lay down and sleep. Have to force myself to get up and continue on with meal prep, gym etc. Mild anxiety and feeling slightly antisocial. Moody, for example cute animal **** I usually don't care for touches my heart. Feel kind of bitchy. Mild moon face. None of this is constant, I feel it more towards the end of the day. This is exactly how low e feels for me, except when my e is crashed I usually feel like **** the moment I wake up. I've had none of the joint aches etc. that I've felt in the past with low e.

Overall, I'm feeling great this cycle. Just trying to dial in as perfectly as I can and reduce some of the lethargy if possible. For people who do have experience with high e, should I just stop the caution against crashing e bullshit and assume I am getting high e sides right now? I definitely expect to fight through sides like moodiness, gyno, bloating, lethargy etc. with a compound like Trest, and have honestly been surprised at how little sides I've been getting so far at the dosage I am taking. But if I am starting to get high e I need to deal with it. This is my first time running Trest, so I am still dialing in, and it's getting better and better. If it helps here is where I am.

IM Trest Ace 50mg ED
LGD 10mg ED
Ralox 25mg ED
Prami .5mg ED
Cialis 7.5mg ED

Should I up Ralox and add Exemestane?
Ya I would up the rolox to 50 and add 12.5 exemestane eod to start
 

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Can you get bloodwork? That’s a healthy dose of trest with no AI and a small dose of Ralox. I wouldn’t be surprised if estrogen was high
I am getting bloods mid cycle, end cycle, mid pct, end pct. I went with the assumption my e was high, upped ralox and added exemestane. It's been a few days and I already feel MUCH better. Usually something like exemestane crushes me immediately, so the fact that I have my energy back and feel great again seems like a positive sign that Trest is aromatizing strongly causing some of the sides. I've been cautious as I feel this compound out due to limited/conflicting research, but I think it's now safe to drop my apprehensions and become proactive fighting estrogen on this cycle.

Your in for a ride anything over 50mg of legit trest ace a day. You are gonna experience high estrogen real soon. Better to stay ahead because once it creeps up and hits it’s gonna be a bitch to get ride of and you most likely going to have to crash you e in order to do that. Treat over 300mg a week is probably like 1,000- 1,500mg n of test.
From everything I've researched, I'm expecting a ride. I'm glad that I've been feeling this compound out and adjusting things one by one as I dial in though. Gives me a better sense of what's going on and what works best for me.

Ya I would up the rolox to 50 and add 12.5 exemestane eod to start
This is exactly what I've done. I'm sticking with this for now until further.

On another note. Minus the several days of lethargy from hell and bitchy mood, I have felt amazing. I am now a few pounds heavier than my previous all time weight, while somehow appearing to be leaning a little bit. Slowed down considerably once I got to my max so I may up calories. Can't complain though because I still gained almost 3 pounds in week. Currently eating in slight surplus but it is all lean/clean. My traps, delts, and triceps are exploding = shirts just sit differently now. I have striations in my delts that I never had before. I need to catch up with legs. I am starting to look like a guy who skipped leg day due to how much I am gaining on top, although my legs are looking more shredded and definitely getting bigger. Cardio is dead. I can lift seemingly forever, but I get winded if I run even a little bit. Heart rate is elevated. Increased ball sweat. Still no noticeable water weight or bloating. No gyno. Feel like I've dialed in on Prami, getting a little better sleep now. PIP in quads has decreased a lot. Still giving delts some time off. Still considering the Msten but I want to plan out an effective liver support first.
 

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Night sweats last night. Mild back pump while sleeping. I feel like I have to drink lots of water on this cycle. Energy throughout the day is up since adding morning Ralox/Exemestane. 25mg Ralox ed morning, 25mg Ralox ed night, 12.5mg Exemestane eod morning.

Would like to add 10mg Msten ed, but want to make sure I have an effective liver support. Internet is saturated with so many recommendations for specific branded products, I don't want to end up using some weak gimmick bullshit. Is Tudca itself enough? Is 1000mg ed sufficient?
 
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I always prefer to get the supports that include everything. It's not just the liver you need to worry about on cycle. CEL cycle assist has always worked really well for me.
 

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So many people crush estrogen aren’t you trying to gain weight lay off the anti estrogens. Trest is way better than test three months now nothing compares. Once in awhile use some virtus and you are fine.
 

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So many people crush estrogen aren’t you trying to gain weight lay off the anti estrogens. Trest is way better than test three months now nothing compares. Once in awhile use some virtus and you are fine.
He’s already had symptoms of high estrogen and has lowered it and is feeling better. No one is telling him to crush estrogen they are saying to control it. What has your dose been for three months and how are you taking it?
 

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