wow... lots of hijacks in this thread. ok as far as greenmag goes, i would say its pretty expensive to use several times a day every day. it would be more cost effective to just buy some bulk creatine mono to take post workout and on your days off. Undiluted, jack3d isnt for a pump its for energy (which for me is one of the best products out there) if your looking for some energy with n.o. also, go for some white flood or n.o. shotgun both very great products. Wolfe14, most people take their xtend intra or pre workout, im sure its still good to take post but i think you would get more out of it using intra. as for your post workout creatine i believe (i may be wrong its been a while) that the suggestion of using juice with creatine was for the sugar in it which leads me to believe like protien, carbs help deliver it. if thats the case just make sure you have some fast digesting carbs in your protein shake after workout.