It's only a matter of time now

lol what?

Anabolic steroids are ALREADY illegal here in America. I don't see how we're losing any freedom by pulling illegal steroids off of the shelves when they shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Even were they in existence when the country was founded, they still wouldn't have been illegal. It was considered your right to put whatever you want in your body until the 20th century.

They used to sell heroin in mail order catalogs and some of the greats of old time jazz did some odd stuff. One guy, I think it was Charlie Parker but I could be way off, would regularly drink stuff including sulfuric acid just because he wanted to see what it would do to him.
 
lol what?

I don't see how we're losing any freedom by pulling illegal steroids off of the shelves when they shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Lawfully/legally yes................but remember that all government agencies did not want them to be banned in the first place as they did not meet the classifications of dependancy.
 
.....One guy, I think it was Charlie Parker but I could be way off, would regularly drink stuff including sulfuric acid just because he wanted to see what it would do to him.

I think you miss the point that a few have correctly and eloquently made in this thread. Charlie Parker, or the likes of him, can still intentionally drink stuff today that contains sulfuric acid, out of pure curiosity or out of an urgent drive for self-extinction, as long as they are aware, not only of the presence, but also the amount of, sulfuric acid in that stuff. They are at liberty to do this. Suicide rates, regardless of motivation, will never drop to zero. The point though, in terms of supplements, is that one can never mnake a serious case for keeping the FDA or any other enforcement instance out of the supplement industry, as long as some so-called supplement manufacturers, deliberately or otherwise, either introduce products with completely unkown pharmacological activity, omit potent bioactive compounds in ingredient panels or "spike" their blends with undelcared compounds, sell questionable compounds as food supplements, declare inaccurate ingredient amounts per serving, manipluate the chemical nomenclature of certain compounds to feign compound safety, or any combination of these. As long as any of these occurs, FDA intervention will be unavoidable. As you make your bed, so you lie on it! It is easy to go at the FDA's jugular or discredit the (Obama or a previous) adminstration, but the supplement industry's real enemies are the unscrupulous companies in the industry that deliberately operate with a total lack of ethics and morals, driven only by short-term profit maximization at the expense of trusting (or unknowing) consumers and the eventual ruin of the (supplement) industry. These are the ones we should attack daily!
 
I think you miss the point that a few have correctly and eloquently made in this thread. Charlie Parker, or the likes of him, can still intentionally drink stuff today that contains sulfuric acid, out of pure curiosity or out of an urgent drive for self-extinction, as long as they are aware, not only of the presence, but also the amount of, sulfuric acid in that stuff. They are at liberty to do this. Suicide rates, regardless of motivation, will never drop to zero. The point though, in terms of supplements, is that one can never mnake a serious case for keeping the FDA or any other enforcement instance out of the supplement industry, as long as some so-called supplement manufacturers, deliberately or otherwise, either introduce products with completely unkown pharmacological activity, omit potent bioactive compounds in ingredient panels or "spike" their blends with undelcared compounds, sell questionable compounds as food supplements, declare inaccurate ingredient amounts per serving, manipluate the chemical nomenclature of certain compounds to feign compound safety, or any combination of these. As long as any of these occurs, FDA intervention will be unavoidable. As you make your bed, so you lie on it! It is easy to go at the FDA's jugular or discredit the (Obama or a previous) adminstration, but the supplement industry's real enemies are the unscrupulous companies in the industry that deliberately operate with a total lack of ethics and morals, driven only by short-term profit maximization at the expense of trusting (or unknowing) consumers and the eventual ruin of the (supplement) industry. These are the ones we should attack daily!

Awesome post Ike!
 
I think you miss the point that a few have correctly and eloquently made in this thread. Charlie Parker, or the likes of him, can still intentionally drink stuff today that contains sulfuric acid, out of pure curiosity or out of an urgent drive for self-extinction, as long as they are aware, not only of the presence, but also the amount of, sulfuric acid in that stuff. They are at liberty to do this. Suicide rates, regardless of motivation, will never drop to zero. The point though, in terms of supplements, is that one can never mnake a serious case for keeping the FDA or any other enforcement instance out of the supplement industry, as long as some so-called supplement manufacturers, deliberately or otherwise, either introduce products with completely unkown pharmacological activity, omit potent bioactive compounds in ingredient panels or "spike" their blends with undelcared compounds, sell questionable compounds as food supplements, declare inaccurate ingredient amounts per serving, manipluate the chemical nomenclature of certain compounds to feign compound safety, or any combination of these. As long as any of these occurs, FDA intervention will be unavoidable. As you make your bed, so you lie on it! It is easy to go at the FDA's jugular or discredit the (Obama or a previous) adminstration, but the supplement industry's real enemies are the unscrupulous companies in the industry that deliberately operate with a total lack of ethics and morals, driven only by short-term profit maximization at the expense of trusting (or unknowing) consumers and the eventual ruin of the (supplement) industry. These are the ones we should attack daily!

Thank GOD someone said it!
 
I think you miss the point that a few have correctly and eloquently made in this thread. Charlie Parker, or the likes of him, can still intentionally drink stuff today that contains sulfuric acid, out of pure curiosity or out of an urgent drive for self-extinction, as long as they are aware, not only of the presence, but also the amount of, sulfuric acid in that stuff. They are at liberty to do this. Suicide rates, regardless of motivation, will never drop to zero. The point though, in terms of supplements, is that one can never mnake a serious case for keeping the FDA or any other enforcement instance out of the supplement industry, as long as some so-called supplement manufacturers, deliberately or otherwise, either introduce products with completely unkown pharmacological activity, omit potent bioactive compounds in ingredient panels or "spike" their blends with undelcared compounds, sell questionable compounds as food supplements, declare inaccurate ingredient amounts per serving, manipluate the chemical nomenclature of certain compounds to feign compound safety, or any combination of these. As long as any of these occurs, FDA intervention will be unavoidable. As you make your bed, so you lie on it! It is easy to go at the FDA's jugular or discredit the (Obama or a previous) adminstration, but the supplement industry's real enemies are the unscrupulous companies in the industry that deliberately operate with a total lack of ethics and morals, driven only by short-term profit maximization at the expense of trusting (or unknowing) consumers and the eventual ruin of the (supplement) industry. These are the ones we should attack daily!
But you are failing to consider the invincible and delusional condition of 22yo children that know better and want their liberty to be exploited, manipulated, mislead and endangered by these companies and the industry as a whole who have graciously bestowed upon them the opportunity to exercise their freedom and God given right to pursue their physique enhancement obsessions and any an all cost.

Your reasonable and logical approach to this has absolutely no business being brought into this conversation. This cannot and must not continue. :)
 
I think you miss the point that a few have correctly and eloquently made in this thread. Charlie Parker, or the likes of him, can still intentionally drink stuff today that contains sulfuric acid, out of pure curiosity or out of an urgent drive for self-extinction, as long as they are aware, not only of the presence, but also the amount of, sulfuric acid in that stuff. They are at liberty to do this. Suicide rates, regardless of motivation, will never drop to zero. The point though, in terms of supplements, is that one can never mnake a serious case for keeping the FDA or any other enforcement instance out of the supplement industry, as long as some so-called supplement manufacturers, deliberately or otherwise, either introduce products with completely unkown pharmacological activity, omit potent bioactive compounds in ingredient panels or "spike" their blends with undelcared compounds, sell questionable compounds as food supplements, declare inaccurate ingredient amounts per serving, manipluate the chemical nomenclature of certain compounds to feign compound safety, or any combination of these. As long as any of these occurs, FDA intervention will be unavoidable. As you make your bed, so you lie on it! It is easy to go at the FDA's jugular or discredit the (Obama or a previous) adminstration, but the supplement industry's real enemies are the unscrupulous companies in the industry that deliberately operate with a total lack of ethics and morals, driven only by short-term profit maximization at the expense of trusting (or unknowing) consumers and the eventual ruin of the (supplement) industry. These are the ones we should attack daily!

I can 100% agree actually. I do not miss this point, but why not remove and restrict only those companies without proper ethics?

Yes the 2,3, and ever 4 combo ****tail steroids created a helluva situation. Loosely labeled bottles saying "take 2-3 caps daily" and such.

But still, restricting peoples rights is another step towards a bad road. This nation is functioning so badly that its really pitiful. Agencies are far too big, have far too much power, and there are far too many agencies out there. There is no checks and balances, there is no looking out for the benifit of the people. I am not a brain dead monkey, I dont need you(the gov't) to control my diet, activities, and choices. Especially if I take the time to look at what I am doing.

If a couple idiots with an IQ of 70, take a methylated product for say 6 months like idiots...I think it will only benefit America when they pass on and cant reproduce to create 2 idiots in place of that one.
 
But you are failing to consider the invincible and delusional condition of 22yo children that know better and want their liberty to be exploited, manipulated, mislead and endangered by these companies and the industry as a whole who have graciously bestowed upon them the opportunity to exercise their freedom and God given right to pursue their physique enhancement obsessions and any an all cost.

Your reasonable and logical approach to this has absolutely no business being brought into this conversation. This cannot and must not continue. :)

Indeed! :)
 
Well maybe you can drink sulfuric acid, but there's probably a law against it. You certainly can't order heroin through the Sears catalog!

In a perfect world any chemical would be available and it would be purity tested with data about the effects available, and people who lied about what was in things would be jailed. The shady companies DO endanger people and they aren't always stupid for taking these things. We take it for granted that you have to look up what these things really are, but why should the public think things that are marketed and sold this way are any more dangerous than what you get at walgreens? Many of the products DON'T have warnings any stronger than you find on vitamins and herbs and many of them claim to be safe when they simply aren't. Your average consumer is not going to be aware these products exist, just like most people aren't aware that anyone can own a machine gun. If you aren't involved with it you wouldn't be expected to know.

I wasn't saying anything about what we should do in this situation, just pointing out that freedom is more a spectrum than a have freedom/don't have freedom thing. Over time it will pretty much always drift away from freedom.
 
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