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Magickk

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Just got in from work and what do you know, a nice little package is waiting at my doorstep! I love those days! So I'll be starting my MAX LMG / Prostanozol / SuperDrol Log today, and begin dosage tomorrow.

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The Rundown
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I intend to start off seeing how MAX LMG and Prostanozol stack together, while eating 3500 cals/week. I'll gradually up the calories for those 2 weeks to 4000 to lead into the 3rd week. This is where I'll pretty much be going for the most mass possible, running 20mg SuperDrol / day along with the MAX LMG.

** Note: If I don't feel SD would be beneficial at this point, i.e., if I'm overwhelmed by the gains in mass / strength I'm making on MAX LMG alone, I won't incorporate SD into this run.

Cals stay up at 4000 weeks 3-5 and will taper down to 3000 by week 8. At week 5, I'll start up the Prostanozol again, and finish the MAX LMG at week 6, while running Prostanozol until week 8. PCT will definitely include Ultra HOT, and if needed Nolva 40-40-20/ Fenugreek / DHEA weeks 9-12 to finish off strong.

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Beginning Profile
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5'9.5
182 lbs
~15%

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Beginning Measurements
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Right Bicep: 15.5"
Left Bicep: 15.25"

Right Forearm: 12.75"
Left Forearm: 12.5"

Right Calf: 15"
Left Calf: 15.5"

Right Quad: 23"
Left Quad: 22.5"

Chest: 39"

Shoulders: 49"

Stomach (@ belly button): 33"

Waist: 32.75"

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Protocol
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wk 1:6 MAX LMG @ 75mg / day
wk 1:2, 5:8 Prostanazol @ 75mg / day
wk 3:5 SuperDrol
wk 9:12 -PCT- Nolva (maybe Ultra HOT) / Fenugreek / DHEA / Hawthorne Berry

Hopefully this will produce results that are as great as I am excited about attempting.

I'll snap some pics later tonight, and some more at week 8, and again a month later.
 
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Trance Boy said:
Good luck on the stacks and keep us posted.
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Today's Diet:
2900 cals @ 50%C [374g] / 35%P [242g] / 15%F [46g]

I went ahead and took 25mg MAX LMG and Prostanozol with dinner, I couldn't resist :rofl:

Anyway, here are the pics before this **** gets serious...

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Popped out of bed this morning with enthusiasm. Possibly because I slept GREAT last night, fell asleep fast, and had some REALLY good dreams (if you know what I mean :lol: )

Breakfast this morning was oatmeal w/ splenda, 80% whey / 20% casein mixed in chocolate milk, and 1 slice 100% whole wheat bread, along with 25mg LMG & Pro, 2 caps fish oil, 2g Vit C, 400 UI Vit E. Playing flag football today @ 3, and it's CHEST / TRI'S in the gym today baby! And it's friday! Oh, what a glorious day!

italionstallion said:
you look lower than 15% to me
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Thanks! That's just a guesstimate (but isn't everyone's BF%?). I got a trainer to take a BF measurement on me at the gym about 2.5 months ago, at the end of my SD cycle, and he said it was 20% then. Since I've been eating about 45% P / 40% C / 15% F, drinking green tea, running 1.5 miles on mondays, 3 miles on wednesdays, and doing LI cardio after I lift when I have time. Just judging by the mirror, and from my OWN calipers I would say I'm at about 15%... I carry a lot of fat around my love handles.

I thought about going to the BodPod and getting my BF measured there before I get too far along. Anyone had their BF taken this way? If so how accurate would you say they are?
 
SonnyTheBull said:
Good luck:thumbsup: Can't wait to see the results. I will be running something similar in the near future.
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Thanks for the good wishes!

*** Update: After Author mentiong creatine positively impacted lipids, I'll be running it through the "cycle". Also I'm confident in ULTRA HOT, so it will DEFINITELY be incorporated into my PCT, and nolva also if I deem it necessary at that point. Here's the info:
Author L. Rea said:
I did find it quite interesting that the results from those who also used a creatine product (yes, I like N'Gorge or Cr2 best...duh!) durring the protocol had less negative lipid alterations than those who do not. Last is that most who we tested Ultra HOT (we have 3 variations we are always working with) on begining the last week or the week after the 8 week period had improved lipids.
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Malek also had some good insight in regards to creatine, which makes sense to me:
Malek256 said:
Author, creatine supplementation reduces the body's need to manufacture its own creatine (obviously) and (also obviously) that means the intermediaries of the body's creatine generation process are lessened proportionately. The most conspicous here is guanidinoacetate methyltransferase.

What's intriguing there is that the intermediary methyls elevate homocysteine. Elevated plasma homocysteine elevation --> increased cardiovascular disease (poor lipids).

So you're anecdotally affirming what I've been suggesting for a long time. Creatine should be part of an overall strategem for cholesterol management.
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I am EXTRAORDINARILY interested in this, I might do either something similar or the exact same thing, late next month. GOOD LUCK MAN!
 
Adawg said:
I am EXTRAORDINARILY interested in this, I might do either something similar or the exact same thing, late next month. GOOD LUCK MAN!
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Thanks bro. Stay tuned in, I should be almost through the SuperDrol / MAX LMG portion of the "cycle" by then, so at least you'll know what kind of benefits I saw, if any, from stacking that. And if they're good, you may want to try and kickstart it off with MAX LMG (or Eleph Max) and SuperDrol. The only reason I DIDN'T kickstart with SD, is because I got off a 3.5 weeker, followed by 3 week pct, and have had about 5 weeks off pct; so I wanted to take a little longer of a rest...
 
Grassroots082 said:
Definately below 15%
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You think so? What would your guesstimate be, Grass? Like I said, 15% was a shot in the dark, but I got measured at 20% a little over 2 months ago...
 
Good luck Magickk. I've seen your name keep popping up in all kinds of posts, it's obvious you do your homework. Looks like everything is in order for a great cycle - have at it!
 
Good luck bro, Im definitely subscribing to this one. Im really interested in how your cycle goes, it is unique and looks to produce some dry keep-a-ble gains. Your bf looks about like mine and I measured myself at 14 the other day. I am going to have a friend do it for me next week so that I can do more than just the one point measurement. You might want to invest in some callipers, they are cheap and really help to track cutting progress or bulking mess ups, haha.
 
Sky9 said:
Good luck bro, Im definitely subscribing to this one. Im really interested in how your cycle goes, it is unique and looks to produce some dry keep-a-ble gains. Your bf looks about like mine and I measured myself at 14 the other day. I am going to have a friend do it for me next week so that I can do more than just the one point measurement. You might want to invest in some callipers, they are cheap and really help to track cutting progress or bulking mess ups, haha.
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Yeah, I got some calipers, and I was getting 17-18% when I'd measure myself a couple months ago, then when I went and got the multiple point measurement at the gym, it was measured at 20%. No I'm measuring at about 12% with my calipers, so I was just adding 3-4% to that...
The BodPod is sounding like a good option right now, as I think a lot of people would be most interested with the tracking of BF% through a cycle incorporating these compounds. I'll more than likely set up an appointment to get it measured in there sometime early next week.

** I'm lovin' the Av, by the way :rofl:
 
Magickk said:
You think so? What would your guesstimate be, Grass? Like I said, 15% was a shot in the dark, but I got measured at 20% a little over 2 months ago...
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Are you flexing your abs there or are you relaxed? Looks relaxed to me, but IMO you look more like 12 than 15 or 20. Good base man, do you have AAS/PH experience?
 
I got a 14% BF measurement and a 24% the next week. my gym uses one of those computers that measures heart rate and punches in height, weight. obviously not accurate. so I guess too.
 
Magickk said:
Yeah, I got some calipers, and I was getting 17-18% when I'd measure myself a couple months ago, then when I went and got the multiple point measurement at the gym, it was measured at 20%. No I'm measuring at about 12% with my calipers, so I was just adding 3-4% to that...
The BodPod is sounding like a good option right now, as I think a lot of people would be most interested with the tracking of BF% through a cycle incorporating these compounds. I'll more than likely set up an appointment to get it measured in there sometime early next week.

** I'm lovin' the Av, by the way :rofl:
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Thanks, whose the guy in your avatar, hes fecking ripped, wish I looked like that. You look like your body fat is stored all over rather than like me where it all sits on my love handles, Im jealous. Its so hard to get the V with love handles, I just look like an hourglass when I get fat, haha.
 
Grassroots082 said:
Are you flexing your abs there or are you relaxed? Looks relaxed to me, but IMO you look more like 12 than 15 or 20. Good base man, do you have AAS/PH experience?
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Thanks for the compliment man. I ran a 3.5 week SD cycle earlier this year, but that's all that I'd call "AAS/PH Experience". Other than that, just protein and creatine!

No, that's completely relaxed. 12% is what I'm measuring myself at with the one-point caliper measurement an inch above the hip, I would LOVE for that to be accurate. After SD PCT I started cutting, and before the cut, I couldn't see my obliques very well, now they're at least visible, so I know I've dropped a substantial amount of fat. 8% in 2 months seems like a bit.

Lets see, I was 20% @ 187, so that's 37.4 lbs. of fat. If I were 12% now at 182 that would be 21.84 lbs. of fat.
37.4
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15.56 lbs. in 8 weeks

That's only 2 lbs. a week, so that's about right actually... Interesting...
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
I got a 14% BF measurement and a 24% the next week. my gym uses one of those computers that measures heart rate and punches in height, weight. obviously not accurate. so I guess too.
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HaHa Good to know I'm not the only one :thumbsup:
 
Sky9 said:
Thanks, whose the guy in your avatar, hes fecking ripped, wish I looked like that. You look like your body fat is stored all over rather than like me where it all sits on my love handles, Im jealous. Its so hard to get the V with love handles, I just look like an hourglass when I get fat, haha.
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Where did I get this Av.. I think he was on the cover of muscle and fitness. That's why I have this as my Av, because that's what I'm going to look like eventually, maybe just a tad thicker! It's my motivation... :cheers:
 
I was going to stop Creatine during an SD cycle to avoid the back pumps which I heard were worse if you didn't stop it.

What are your thoughts?

R
 
Rhyalus said:
I was going to stop Creatine during an SD cycle to avoid the back pumps which I heard were worse if you didn't stop it.

What are your thoughts?

R
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You bring up a good point. I've considered the creatine situation, and since I may incorporate SD into the "cycle", I'm going to hold off on the creatine until either AFTER the SD, or until I know I'm NOT going to run it at all.

But as far as your question goes, there have been some posts discussing creatine usage while on SD, and it's generally all bad news. Creatine puts water into your muscles, and SD is a VERY dry compound, so in essence they are going to be negating each other. I could be way off. That's just my general take on it, maybe someone else could chime in here with a better explanation. But I would avoid it while taking SD.
 
Magickk said:
You bring up a good point. I've considered the creatine situation, and since I may incorporate SD into the "cycle", I'm going to hold off on the creatine until either AFTER the SD, or until I know I'm NOT going to run it at all.

But as far as your question goes, there have been some posts discussing creatine usage while on SD, and it's generally all bad news. Creatine puts water into your muscles, and SD is a VERY dry compound, so in essence they are going to be negating each other. I could be way off. That's just my general take on it, maybe someone else could chime in here with a better explanation. But I would avoid it while taking SD.
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It would be nice to hear from someone who has done this. I was planning on staying on my CEE while on the drol. I find that I have very little water retention while using CEE compared to CrM, especially in adipose tissue. I was planning on taking about 3-4grams of taurine while on cycle too. If no one has stayed on it while on SD, I will give it a shot, assuming it wont hurt me.
 
My build is very similar to yours, but i carry a good bit more in my lovehandles. Damn, i wish there was a way to get rid of them..
 
Sky9 said:
It would be nice to hear from someone who has done this. I was planning on staying on my CEE while on the drol. I find that I have very little water retention while using CEE compared to CrM, especially in adipose tissue. I was planning on taking about 3-4grams of taurine while on cycle too. If no one has stayed on it while on SD, I will give it a shot, assuming it wont hurt me.
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I don't know if the taurine didn't work for me, or if the pumps would have just KILLED ME if I weren't on taurine, but I know when I ran my SD, I'd take like 3-4 g / day, and I couldn't run after week 2 for more than 3 minutes without my calves feeling like they were going to EXPLODE. I think I'm going to up it to 5-7 g / day if I include it in this "cycle"
 
cpa5oh said:
You gonna give us some strength increase number as well?
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Oh yeah, most definitely. Today is chest / tris, and I always take my journal with me to the gym, so I'll post my workout on here when I get in. Gradually over the log you'll be able to see the workouts as they progress. And at the end I'll come up with a nice strength increase / measurement / body comp before and after list.
 
Going to go play flag football in about an hour and totally WHIP THE **** out of some bitches, score 8 touchdowns, spike the ball off someones forehead, and do an end zone dance that would make TO whimper in his cleats. Then it's off to down a bowl of oatmeal, a shake, put some hardcore **** on my mp3 player and rock everybody's face off at the gym... I'll post my workout when I get in from the gym.
 
Magickk said:
Going to go play flag football in about an hour and totally WHIP THE **** out of some bitches, score 8 touchdowns, spike the ball off someones forehead, and do an end zone dance that would make TO whimper in his cleats. Then it's off to down a bowl of oatmeal, a shake, put some hardcore **** on my mp3 player and rock everybody's face off at the gym... I'll post my workout when I get in from the gym.
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Just reading this I feel like I should go lift right now, what a great attitude.
 
Magickk said:
Oh yeah, most definitely. Today is chest / tris, and I always take my journal with me to the gym, so I'll post my workout on here when I get in. Gradually over the log you'll be able to see the workouts as they progress. And at the end I'll come up with a nice strength increase / measurement / body comp before and after list.
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Alright man now get to it! I'm pumped for ya :thumbsup:
 
Magickk said:
You bring up a good point. I've considered the creatine situation, and since I may incorporate SD into the "cycle", I'm going to hold off on the creatine until either AFTER the SD, or until I know I'm NOT going to run it at all.

But as far as your question goes, there have been some posts discussing creatine usage while on SD, and it's generally all bad news. Creatine puts water into your muscles, and SD is a VERY dry compound, so in essence they are going to be negating each other. I could be way off. That's just my general take on it, maybe someone else could chime in here with a better explanation. But I would avoid it while taking SD.
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I think it would be smart to use creatine while on SD (particuarly) CEE as a help preventing the lipids crush that will almost surely occur. This if you can stand the pumps.

I dont think instead that the water retain from creatine would negate SD anabolic effect, and that case would be almost nil with CEE anyway.
For me SD cycles are and will always be 3 weeks long, next time I'm going to use CEE during cycle and PCT.
 
I'm really looking forward to the MAX+Prostanozol part of the stack. I'm considering adding the latter, now that ALR calmed my worries about lipids.

If you are not incorporating SD, will you continue prostanozol for longer than 2 weeks (which seems a bit few to judge its results)?
 
Magickk said:
Going to go play flag football in about an hour and totally WHIP THE **** out of some bitches, score 8 touchdowns, spike the ball off someones forehead, and do an end zone dance that would make TO whimper in his cleats. Then it's off to down a bowl of oatmeal, a shake, put some hardcore **** on my mp3 player and rock everybody's face off at the gym... I'll post my workout when I get in from the gym.
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Damn, I already went to the gym this morning, but I feel like I want to go again after reading this post. Good attitude!
 
Glad you guys are keeping up with the log, it makes writing the entries so much easier when I can come on here, post my ****, and bullshit around with some of you clowns, too. Anyway, just got in from the gym, pounded a shake with a bowl of oats, and tossed a chicken breast on the foreman grill. As promised, here's the workout today, in the order it was done:

Chest / Tris
BB Decline ............: 225x8, 245x6, 265x6
DB Incline ............: 60x10, 65x10, 70x6, 75x5
Machine Skulls ......: 60x10, 70x10, 80x10 *ripped the last set out HARDCORE, didn't want to stop
Cable Incline ........: 25x12, 35x10, 45x8
Decline DB Fly ......: 35x8, 35x8, 40x8
Tricep Pushdowns .: 70x10, 80x10, 90x10 *Feeling good here so decided to do 1 MORE chest exercise
Cable Crossover ...: 55x10, 65x8
**Walking over to the flat bench to do lying tricep kickbacks, I passed this guy with pencil calves doing sitting curls with veins the size of a fucking sharpie twisting around his forearm and elbow, this was right as my playlist was closing with "Trust Company - Downfall", so I got fucking pumped needless to say, and ripped out what I'd deem a SUPER-DUPER-SET of:
Lying Tri Kickbacks : 15x10
1-Arm OHead Ext ..: 15x12
Dips on Bench Edge: 25 plate on quads x 20

So overall the workout was about on par with what I've been doing, Decline was down a little, but Incline DB was up a little. I'd say the attitude I had was mostly placebo, as I've only been on 1.33 days and had 100mg of each. But who knows, by my second day of SD I was feeling the pump from it...

Got 2400 Cals in me so far(50%C, 35%P, 15%F), and still have one maybe 2 meals left in me plus a bedtime shake.
Syr said:
I'm really looking forward to the MAX+Prostanozol part of the stack. I'm considering adding the latter, now that ALR calmed my worries about lipids.

If you are not incorporating SD, will you continue prostanozol for longer than 2 weeks (which seems a bit few to judge its results)?
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Syr, if I don't run the SD, what I will do is run the Prostan the first 3 weeks of the cycle, and the last 3 weeks of the cycle, so weeks 1-3 and 6-8.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add a few pics last night ;)


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Diet today ended up at 3500 calories (47% C / 37% P / 16%F) with 540 calories / 92g protein coming from whey / casein shakes. Today was my 4 shake day, breakfast, pre & post workout, bedtime...
 
ps, sorry for the delay in posting, some motherf^ckin kids took out our phone line with their car, I couldn't get online

been subscribed baby, keep it comin, can't wait to see this!
 
Woke up at 6am to take a piss with the biggest boner I've ever had in my LIFE! Made pissing pretty difficult... Went back to bed, got up at 10, cooked 5 scrambled eggs and 4 pieces of turkey bacon with a glass of OJ and a whey shake w/ chocolate milk. Been to the gym the past 2 days, so I'm going to take off today and go lay by the pool and enjoy the sunshine until my wife and I have to go to work.
 
there's no way you started pissing right away if you had a major erection LOL. When that happens to me man i gotta stand there, try to get it down some, before I can piss haha

later man
 
Good work bro, sounds like you got that same enthusiasm I got lifting. You're bf is definetly lower than 15% check out mybodycomp.com, its free, make sure you got a good tape measure put your height weight and shitload of measurements and it will tell you your bodyfat. I've got a cheap ass body fat scale that puts me at 16% constantly, even with decent abs. With mybodycomp its got me around 8.5, check it out. Good luck keep up the good work:thumbsup: .
 
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