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Is it ok to run havoc without a serm?

Kidcudi

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For a 6 week cycle dosed at 30/30/30/40/40/40. What would Happen If i didn't and Just ran an otc pct product such as a daa test booster?
 
Why did you even bother asking this question.. Do not run a PH without a SERM... Chances are you a risking gyno... Take your chances...
 
Can you? Yes.

Is it a good idea? No.

Will you get gyno? Probably

Will it take you a few months to recover? Yes

Will you be able to get a hard on after cycle? Maybe
 
ISU152 said:
Can you? Yes.

Is it a good idea? No.

Will you get gyno? Probably

Will it take you a few months to recover? Yes

Will you be able to get a hard on after cycle? Maybe
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Perfect! Lol ^This
 
Correct me if im wrong, but from what I've read you can't get gyno from havoc because it doesn't convert to estrogen?
 
Kidcudi said:
Correct me if im wrong, but from what I've read you can't get gyno from havoc because it doesn't convert to estrogen?
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Estrogen rebounds post cycle...it has nothing to do with it converting to estrogen. When your body bounces back your estrogen levels will too... Read the PCT thread...
 
Kidcudi said:
For a 6 week cycle dosed at 30/30/30/40/40/40. What would Happen If i didn't and Just ran an otc pct product such as a daa test booster?
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It been done THOUSANDS of times and most dont have an issue. I would use DAA and ATD if you can still find some, if not Triazole should work
 
Why do you want to not use a SERM? it's cheaper than buying test boosters and estrogen blockers.

You could most likely get away fine with it, but I wouldnt take the OTC route for more than this one cycle.
 
ReyMan said:
Why do you want to not use a SERM? it's cheaper than buying test boosters and estrogen blockers.

You could most likely get away fine with it, but I wouldnt take the OTC route for more than this one cycle.
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You sure about that? I looked up clomid and for a sufficient amount I couldnt find it cheaper than like 48 dollars. If I was gonna use revolution pct (otc test booster/estro blocker) it would only be like $40. Plus im sure the shipping rates are outrageous for those foreign pharmacy sites.
 
Look, you can do whatever you want. You asked people for their input and then don't approve of the answers. Guys are looking out for you, trying to help. If it's a $$$ issue, PH might not be your best route. Gyno comes to the ill-prepared.
 
Kidcudi said:
You sure about that? I looked up clomid and for a sufficient amount I couldnt find it cheaper than like 48 dollars. If I was gonna use revolution pct (otc test booster/estro blocker) it would only be like $40. Plus im sure the shipping rates are outrageous for those foreign pharmacy sites.
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I got more than enough torem for my current havoc cycle at a low low price of $ 25
 
Kidcudi said:
Correct me if im wrong, but from what I've read you can't get gyno from havoc because it doesn't convert to estrogen?
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That just means you don't need an AI on cycle to prevent gyno, that has nothing to do with shutting down and not having a serm for pct. you will deff at the minimum lose everything you gain. You should prob research allot more before running this cycle. If sex life is something you want after this cycle you need a serm on top of your Daa
 
Ive picked up cheap serms for a pro-stano cycle(stanodrol clone).. Its been a mild cycle but I'm still going to munch on my nolva for PCT. Gyno is devistating and looks horrible. TBH even if a serm was more expensive then OCT I would still have it on my PCT for any AAS cycle.
 
Kidcudi said:
You sure about that? I looked up clomid and for a sufficient amount I couldnt find it cheaper than like 48 dollars. If I was gonna use revolution pct (otc test booster/estro blocker) it would only be like $40. Plus im sure the shipping rates are outrageous for those foreign pharmacy sites.
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Look harder. "Research chemicals."
 
Kidcudi said:
You sure about that? I looked up clomid and for a sufficient amount I couldnt find it cheaper than like 48 dollars. If I was gonna use revolution pct (otc test booster/estro blocker) it would only be like $40. Plus im sure the shipping rates are outrageous for those foreign pharmacy sites.
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You don't need to order from a foreign pharmacy. You can get research chemicals in the U.S. legally for extremely low prices. There are some sponsors on this board.
 
its not worth it without a serm. why f*** with ur body to just lose ur gains in a month? (and prolly get gyno in the process too)
 
BeastMode 1 said:
its not worth it without a serm. why f*** with ur body to just lose ur gains in a month? (and prolly get gyno in the process too)
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