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IS DECA ORAL WORTH IT?

lyfespan

lyfespan

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Just wanted some people that have ran the oral version of deca, wuz also wondering if this might be stackable with eq-plex?
 
what's an oral version of deca? If you mean drinking deca then good luck lol
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
im guessing AMS decavol is what hes talking about. never heard of an oral NPP
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NPP is an acronym for nandrolone phenylpropionate. Phenylpropionate is a short ester. "Deca" refers to nandrolone decanoate, which is the same thing but long ester.

But yeah, there is no oral version of nandrolone.

Also, I don't know what Decavol is. Some kind of PH/DS I presume?
 
Libertarian said:
NPP is an acronym for nandrolone phenylpropionate. Phenylpropionate is a short ester. "Deca" refers to nandrolone decanoate, which is the same thing but long ester.

But yeah, there is no oral version of nandrolone.

Also, I don't know what Decavol is. Some kind of PH/DS I presume?
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I disagree, i know a few legit sources over the internet where you can get oral ''deca''.
 
I just don't understand oral deca. I could say that I have oral test enanthate and drink vial after vial but that doesn't mean it's going to do anything. Deca has no oral bioavailability; in theory you'd have to drink gross amounts of it to get any effect.

And "decavol" i dunno about it, I've seen it a million times and yet I've heard no feedback on it, if it worked I think someone would have said something by now. Personally i'm more than a little skeptical of AMS products because they've been selling 1-AD forever but it's obviously not the same as the old 1-AD was; some people say it's bunk and others say it's DHEA and others say it works OK so who the hell knows.

i think this is the best post i could find on Decavol:
thesinner said:
Really stupid nandrolone precursor
ATD
luteolin (anti-estrogenic lignan)
Part of a plant which may or may not have active ligands
alkaloid for enhanced absorption.


I don't quite understand why they have anti-estrogens with a non-aromatizing prohormone.

This active is a goofy 'flip-flopped' derivation of nandrolone which will need 2 conversion steps to become active. Nor-4-AD was banned in 2004 so they protonated the ketone in ring A. AMS seems be a big fan of indirect precursors.
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If thesinner is right then this needs two steps to convert and you'll probably need an armload of bottles to dose it properly.
 
ams decavol is 19nor-dhea.

their 1ad 1-dhea

their 4-ad is 4-dhea, these are all isomers of dhea.

DHEA has a number of naturally occurring isomers that may have similar pharmacological effects.
Some proven natural isomers of DHEA are 1-dehydroepiandrosterone (shown to be synthesized in pigs),

4-dehydroepiandrosterone (shown to occur in rats)

19NorDHEA (shown to occur in pigs and humans).

These isomers are also technically DHEA, since they are dehydro epiandrosterones (removing hydrogens from the epiandrosterone skeleton).

in capsule form, you would have to take a high amount to get good conversion if ran solo.

think of it like this. 4-andro-diol was one step away from testosterone. And dosages started at 600mg but you really needed 1000mg e/d to be truly effective. i know, i've ran it.

so 4-dhea is two steps away from being test. how much more do you need to get the same levels of test as you would with 4-diol? who knows.

not to mention, during those two steps, the dhea can convert into a number of other hormones in the body a number of times during its half life.
 
Sorry i took off for a moment and this got outta hand, Yes refering to DECAVOL, as the "oral deca", is it worth running? not refering to oral npp, come on, im like a aborted fetus, not born yesterday.
 
jbryand101b said:
ams decavol is 19nor-dhea.

their 1ad 1-dhea

their 4-ad is 4-dhea, these are all isomers of dhea.

DHEA has a number of naturally occurring isomers that may have similar pharmacological effects.
Some proven natural isomers of DHEA are 1-dehydroepiandrosterone (shown to be synthesized in pigs),

4-dehydroepiandrosterone (shown to occur in rats)

19NorDHEA (shown to occur in pigs and humans).

These isomers are also technically DHEA, since they are dehydro epiandrosterones (removing hydrogens from the epiandrosterone skeleton).

in capsule form, you would have to take a high amount to get good conversion if ran solo.

think of it like this. 4-andro-diol was one step away from testosterone. And dosages started at 600mg but you really needed 1000mg e/d to be truly effective. i know, i've ran it.

so 4-dhea is two steps away from being test. how much more do you need to get the same levels of test as you would with 4-diol? who knows.

not to mention, during those two steps, the dhea can convert into a number of other hormones in the body a number of times during its half life.
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this is a lil more like what i wuz looking for, that and personal testimony. with it being 19 bux a bottle? everybody thought eq wuz a stretch to run but sell it at 9.99, and look at the forum boards now.
 
lyfespan said:
this is a lil more like what i wuz looking for, that and personal testimony. with it being 19 bux a bottle? everybody thought eq wuz a stretch to run but sell it at 9.99, and look at the forum boards now.
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yea, i would say you would need three bottles. prolly two if you were going to stack it with something.
 
EQplex is def. not a questionable product, it works. I can't speak for decavol, but I'll be trying the combination of the two soon.
 
I think this is what he means by oral Deca,norandrostene-3b-ol,17-one.It`s a non methyl compound that is found in many products,it apparently converts to Nandralone.

I have run AMS Decavol and found it to be ok,nothing out of this world though,i believe that it does convert but at a very low rate...It is worth trying,but if you have tried the real thing then i would think you would be very dissapoined.

I hope this helps.
 
Surely you could have oral anything? You can get oral test( andriol caps) test undecanoate i think it is or something with a stupidly long ester.
 
michael75 said:
I think this is what he means by oral Deca,norandrostene-3b-ol,17-one.It`s a non methyl compound that is found in many products,it apparently converts to Nandralone.

I have run AMS Decavol and found it to be ok,nothing out of this world though,i believe that it does convert but at a very low rate...It is worth trying,but if you have tried the real thing then i would think you would be very dissapoined.

I hope this helps.
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Good info.

My thinking is.... I wouldn't run intramuscular deca by itself and even with the proper test base deca only finds its proper place in a few cycles with specific cycle goals. So.... why run an oral that hopefully converts to a compound that I wouldn't necessarily want in my body.

Clearly I'm ignorant to this "oral" deca. But I can tell you about real deca. So if your taking something you hope will become deca one day then let's talk about what else you are taking, what your goal is, and what your experience is. Deca might not be the right cmpd period - oral or otherwise.
 
CrazyChemist said:
Good info.

My thinking is.... I wouldn't run intramuscular deca by itself and even with the proper test base deca only finds its proper place in a few cycles with specific cycle goals. So.... why run an oral that hopefully converts to a compound that I wouldn't necessarily want in my body.

Clearly I'm ignorant to this "oral" deca. But I can tell you about real deca. So if your taking something you hope will become deca one day then let's talk about what else you are taking, what your goal is, and what your experience is. Deca might not be the right cmpd period - oral or otherwise.
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Deca (nandrolone decanoate), in my opinion, is probably one of the most overrated/over-recommended steroids out today. Sure, some experienced AAS users really do love it, but way too many n00bs are including it in their cycles for no good reason.
 
dpfisher said:
EQplex is def. not a questionable product, it works. I can't speak for decavol, but I'll be trying the combination of the two soon.
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and your gonna try it why, bcuz you did research already and found that they do compliment each other, or sounds kool and you wanna try? This why i started this thread there aint **** out there on AMS's DECAVOL, adds and logs, but no mechanical actions besides that its a 2 step conversion that takes a long tyme(halflyfe), nothing to really go on.

And i don't have the Anabolic bible
 
I'm taking it because if it converts to nandrolone, even at a low amount, it serves my goals. Most steroids weaken tendons, boldenone and nandrolone are the only 2 (that I know of) that actually heal them. If I was trying to gain 10lbs in a month or whatever yeah it wouldn't be my first choice.
 
back before, when it was reg. price. I would say it is not worth it.

but for the price now, you can buy enough bottles to run a nice cycle, esp if you stack it.

any non methyl compound that is on sale is always a nice addition to a cycle, no matter what you goals.

whether it's furaza for cutting, tren for strength/cut, bold/decavol for tendons

if it's cheap enough to run accordingly, go for it, it can make things more convenient.

and of course injecting is simpler and normally more cost effective. but thats not the topic.

anyone who is planning on using anabolics should own a copy of either william Llewellyns anabolics 9th edition, or seth roberts anabolic pharmacology.

otherwise your juicing in the dark.
 
jbryand101b said:
back before, when it was reg. price. I would say it is not worth it.

but for the price now, you can buy enough bottles to run a nice cycle, esp if you stack it.

any non methyl compound that is on sale is always a nice addition to a cycle, no matter what you goals.

whether it's furaza for cutting, tren for strength/cut, bold/decavol for tendons

if it's cheap enough to run accordingly, go for it, it can make things more convenient.

and of course injecting is simpler and normally more cost effective. but thats not the topic.

anyone who is planning on using anabolics should own a copy of either william Llewellyns anabolics 9th edition, or seth roberts anabolic pharmacology.

otherwise your juicing in the dark.
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**** if ya need 600mgs a day for 8 weeks thats like a bottle a week for even 6 weeks thats 120 bux.
 
Actually you'd only need 3 bottles for that. Er wait eqplex or decavol?
 
i dont know how much you need. the instructions recomend 3-6 caps a day in cycles of 3-6 weeks.

the bottle comes with 63 caps. 60mg per cap.

at 3 caps a day thats around 21 days.

so even ams knows your gonna need multiple bottles.

so at 6 caps a day (360mg) for a 31 day (4week) cycle you would need 3 bottles.

normal price seems to be at around 35-40 bucks. you can find it on sale for 19.95 somewhere.

but you may not even need 6 caps each day. maybe you'll only need 4?

i wouldn't recomend running it solo, this will def. require maximum dosage.

and i dont know if you need 600mg a day. I would have to find logs of experienced ph users to get an idea of effective dosage on the product.

edit* okay, so i've been reading through logs, and looks like it's a good compound at 6 caps each day, but has potential to be a great compound at a higher dosage.

nunes has a start of a bold/deca log, never finished, so i bumped for updates.

i'd like to add this into a future cycle. hopefully it'll still be available in a couple of months.
wish i was rich, then i could just buy everything for a cycle at once. lol.
 
I've heard deca heals tendons but never heard about bold. got any links or studies? I'll keep looking in the mean time. I always have tendon problems so bold healing tendons too interest me.
 
I would look up steroids and collagen synthesis. I read a couple articles a while back that said bold actually heals tendons slightly better than deca. I've seen some brolore saying anavar and primo do too but never anything that looked legit enough for me to take it at face value.
 
jbryand101b said:
back before, when it was reg. price. I would say it is not worth it.

but for the price now, you can buy enough bottles to run a nice cycle, esp if you stack it.

any non methyl compound that is on sale is always a nice addition to a cycle, no matter what you goals.

whether it's furaza for cutting, tren for strength/cut, bold/decavol for tendons

if it's cheap enough to run accordingly, go for it, it can make things more convenient.

and of course injecting is simpler and normally more cost effective. but thats not the topic.

anyone who is planning on using anabolics should own a copy of either william Llewellyns anabolics 9th edition, or seth roberts anabolic pharmacology.

otherwise your juicing in the dark.
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wonder if this would be good stacked with lmg? or tren?
 
jbryand101b said:
i dont know how much you need. the instructions recomend 3-6 caps a day in cycles of 3-6 weeks.

the bottle comes with 63 caps. 60mg per cap.

at 3 caps a day thats around 21 days.

so even ams knows your gonna need multiple bottles.

so at 6 caps a day (360mg) for a 31 day (4week) cycle you would need 3 bottles.

normal price seems to be at around 35-40 bucks. you can find it on sale for 19.95 somewhere.

but you may not even need 6 caps each day. maybe you'll only need 4?

i wouldn't recomend running it solo, this will def. require maximum dosage.

and i dont know if you need 600mg a day. I would have to find logs of experienced ph users to get an idea of effective dosage on the product.

edit* okay, so i've been reading through logs, and looks like it's a good compound at 6 caps each day, but has potential to be a great compound at a higher dosage.

nunes has a start of a bold/deca log, never finished, so i bumped for updates.

i'd like to add this into a future cycle. hopefully it'll still be available in a couple of months.
wish i was rich, then i could just buy everything for a cycle at once. lol.
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and it looks like if ima gonna run this it will be 8 caps a day for 6 weeks

bold 600/600/800/800/800/800/800/800
Decavol 0/ 0/ 480/480/480/480/480/480

and dont know if it would get to sloppy with 4 weeks of lmg on the end as well, or maybe epi?
 
Let's give the benefit of the doubt. Let's say that this "oral deca" actually delivers an effective dose of nandrolone.

In my personal experience deca was a very tricky compound. You need to be keenly aware of your body and what you expect to feel on cycle. Deca is unique in that is has an almost targeted effect on the androgen receptors. As a result, purportedly the risk of certain side effects is reduced while others are increased.

If you move forward with any form of deca you need to address the possible impotence side effects, the prolactin issue, and establish a testosterone base. I'd like to know what your goals are as you could most likely choose a better compound to help you get there.

Good luck.
 
CrazyChemist said:
Let's give the benefit of the doubt. Let's say that this "oral deca" actually delivers an effective dose of nandrolone.

In my personal experience deca was a very tricky compound. You need to be keenly aware of your body and what you expect to feel on cycle. Deca is unique in that is has an almost targeted effect on the androgen receptors. As a result, purportedly the risk of certain side effects is reduced while others are increased.

If you move forward with any form of deca you need to address the possible impotence side effects, the prolactin issue, and establish a testosterone base. I'd like to know what your goals are as you could most likely choose a better compound to help you get there.

Good luck.
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im a bulker, im currently cleansing, just finished pct from a mdrol/M14e cycle i gained 23 pounds lost 6 thru pct and have dwindled another 4-8(stomache flu) currently sitting at 178. And my main reason for all the decavol questions is i want to know is the compound worth running, or is it so under doses that its a waste? with the bans coming i have to fine sum ph's to have around, not up to pinning yet, plus when i do go for it ph's are still fun to have around i hear. So ima stocking up, i have just about every other compound in obscene amounts might as well look into this. but like you said also it under goes a 2 step conversion, and it tends to "wander" and its end results is questionable?
 
not very many negative comments on the compound when ran. and when someone doesn't get good results, it is because they did not run it high enough.

I dont think this would be a good compound to run with dienolone pre cursors or any other nandrolone based compound, as that is what it is.

strength gains, muscle harding, decrease in joint soreness most of the time, ceasing it, and loss in adipose tissue.

good ph, just needs high dosages. and that is why it isn't more popular.

the liquid version may help with this, but you'll still need a couple of bottles of the liquid at the least.
 
jbryand101b said:
not very many negative comments on the compound when ran. and when someone doesn't get good results, it is because they did not run it high enough.

I dont think this would be a good compound to run with dienolone pre cursors or any other nandrolone based compound, as that is what it is.

strength gains, muscle harding, decrease in joint soreness most of the time, ceasing it, and loss in adipose tissue.

good ph, just needs high dosages. and that is why it isn't more popular.

the liquid version may help with this, but you'll still need a couple of bottles of the liquid at the least.
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See this needs more thought to make the purchase, yeah it might be ok as a stand alone, but im thinking will it be worth it? With the bold maybe?
 
idk -in my opinion deca is one of those compounds you through onto a test cycle when you can stand to do a wet bulk and you know your body's response. If you're going to run deca I'd say get the real stuff. If you're going to run PHs then I wouldn't bother with decavol but htats just my humble opinion. I've never run decavol personally.
 
jbryand101b said:
not very many negative comments on the compound when ran. and when someone doesn't get good results, it is because they did not run it high enough.
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How high were most people running it? I was planning on running the suggested dose since I've never used it. Were the people using high doses needing to run an AI concurrently?
 
dpfisher said:
How high were most people running it? I was planning on running the suggested dose since I've never used it. Were the people using high doses needing to run an AI concurrently?
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the reviews/logs i've read that had good results were around 600mg, and they all stated next time they would of liked to go up to 800mg.
using an a.i. i think would depend on your goals, and how much estrogen control you are looking for.
An A.I. i dont think will help if the compound happens to convert str8 into estrogen, which is always a posaiblity for dhea.
and Im not sure, but i think decavol has an a.i. in it already.
I think this is to decrease w/e test you have already from aromatizing into E.
if you're running bold, it will also preven the bold from aromatizing, even though it aromatizes very little after converted.
 
I think the ATD was removed from the liquid version but I could be wrong. I might just use a very small dose of 6 bromo on cycle because I have some laying around and don't want to use it in PCT.
 
jbryand101b said:
the reviews/logs i've read that had good results were around 600mg, and they all stated next time they would of liked to go up to 800mg.
using an a.i. i think would depend on your goals, and how much estrogen control you are looking for.
An A.I. i dont think will help if the compound happens to convert str8 into estrogen, which is always a posaiblity for dhea.
and Im not sure, but i think decavol has an a.i. in it already.
I think this is to decrease w/e test you have already from aromatizing into E.
if you're running bold, it will also preven the bold from aromatizing, even though it aromatizes very little after converted.
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What is the recommended dosage? What is the liver toxicity like at 800mg?
 
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