Is anyone NOT responding to Prime?
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paulg
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double dose. 4 caps 3x a day with meals.
TexasLifter89
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check your PM's
ari4216
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maybe just more proof that usp labs is a scam
tribulus aquticus
probally they just put regular tribulus in there and everyone is all hyped up about it, so they its working more
and then some people are paid to make extravagant claims
so then some newbs will end up buying prime and think theyre getting swole
tribulus aquticus
probally they just put regular tribulus in there and everyone is all hyped up about it, so they its working more
and then some people are paid to make extravagant claims
so then some newbs will end up buying prime and think theyre getting swole
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
No, it is most definitely Tribulus Aquaticus. What would be your prior proof that USP Labs is a scam?
TexasLifter89
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i plan on running it next month it you would be interested in following in my contest prep. I dont have any experience with trib products though...so it will be new to me
TexasLifter89
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I personally didn't find any success with anabolic Pump, but im not downing the company at all. I am trying all their products. Getting my grasp on what i think of each product and going from their.
joebo
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Tell me one product especially herbal that you don't hear many bad reports of them not working for people. The same holds true for about everything. I agree that the writeup is out there, but they are trying to make money and they are in GNC, so I don't blame them. There are many common day to day products that are hyped up, there is just not a forum so you can whine like a little girl in about them. Don't like USP, DON'T BUY!!
Guest
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Couldn't of said it better myself.
Unlike muscletech we sponsor real people not professional bodybuilders. We have huge following in the natural bodybuilding circuit. These guys understand supplementation. We have a huge following with competitive athletes.
Some kids on the boards and some non responders will always attack and that is the nature of the beast. This is just common ground for successful companies from coca cola to microsoft. There will always be hate.
Until you spend 100,000 a month on advertising, you will not understand marketing.
bkprice
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Or when you have to write copy thats make people want to buy. Some here think writing a good ad copy is easy, its not.
You need to hit on emotional triggers, get attention, tell a story thats keep attention, call to action, test response and track it.
What Jacob has done is combine product education, story telling and direct response Branding in his ads, I like them but like Jacob said, if you don't like it then don't buy it.
You need to hit on emotional triggers, get attention, tell a story thats keep attention, call to action, test response and track it.
What Jacob has done is combine product education, story telling and direct response Branding in his ads, I like them but like Jacob said, if you don't like it then don't buy it.
wontdie
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hehe... Oh well, I am sure you can sell them off to somebody. I ordered only 1 bottle of Primes. I'll order more if they work me. 
poopypants
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sounds to me like you have a digestion issue, either a tough gut/intestinal lining or maybe too many enzymes or acids.... all those things can severely limit the amount of anything you take in including food from doing what you want it too.... crazy its across the board to things like epi as well....dont sound good to me.
paulg
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okay... Yea, if you can't absorb it then it's useless right? Maybe that's why I've noticed when I increase calories (bulking) I don't really get any better results than maintence calories. My body is very efficient in that I've seen myself mantain size and gain strength on very little calories at times. That being said I'm not anemic and don't have any problem (that I know of) absorbing vital nutrients. I've always wondered about my ability to absorb a lot of protein. Ever wonder if those whey shakes are just going down the toilet?
The epistane thing, I just don't seem to get anything out of AIs. 6 OXO gave me hard-ons and fatigue but not the slightest bit of growth. What's up with that?
poopypants
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Epistane isnt an AI sir. dunno who told you that.
Its a steroid right out. Its derived from a SERM like compound which still isnt even an AI or even close in action other then it relates to estrogen. Epistane is a lipophilic non converting steroid meaning its active from the get go and doesnt need to convert to work like 1-AD or 4-AD or 19-nor and the like prohormones......
Thats why I said its odd something like this as well didnt have any effect on you....
maybe you should go to a gastroenterologist or an endo doc to see whats up with your nutrient uptake and the like.
Do reg meds work well for you?
paulg
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I am healthy and fit and ever improving. I have a health care background. I am not a chemist so I don't overestimate my undertanding or education.
Sorry I miss catorgorized Epistane. It is clearly described as an anti-estrogen.
That being said there are a lot lot lot lot lot of people who don't respond to many many supplements. First time I did ergopharm 1-ad I gained 20 lbs. (granted, some water and fat!). The second time I did it I got virtually nothing! My body adapts to things quickly. (like stims).
thanks for the reply and concern (nice that somebody cares)
do meds work for me? I don't need meds. I avoid medical doctors like the plague.
p.s. at age 24 you are intelligent, driven, and sensible. I'm 37 and still stupid.
Sleepyred666
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Paul g looks hardcore im scared
poopypants
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Ya Ive seen a couple guys on here that are just typical non-responders, from what they post they seem to be doing everything right just nothing really works for them, its gotta be something in their physiological make up that causes this not the supps themselves just wish I knew what. sounds like your in that group.... sorry.
Ya epi is described as an Anti E since it has apparent ANTI E effects but the method of action is much more like a serm(like nolva) where it blocks the receptor itself and not like an AI(aromatase inhibitor) which binds to the aromatase responsible for turning testosterone into estrogen...this is what 6-oxo does. But Epi is first and foremost an anabolic steroid with the effects listed above being a secondary effect. Its easy to be mislead by the writeup I know.
Thanks for the comps, and by no means have you sounded stupid yourself either, in fact a stupid person would come on here bashing everyone and everything as bunk and liars and not give way to the fact its just unique to themselves and it just sucks..... BTW like sleepyred said you look like a hardcore mother... like you bust UFC or somethin, lol.
Hopefully youll find something that works well. Just wondering also do you get drunk very easily? just trying to asses if its a liver issue, If your liver super metabolizes stuff youd have to put away quite a few to get buzzin, my bro in law is like this, hes also a major ecto and has a super fast metabolism.
Ever tried absorption enhancers like DHB or naringin or the like?
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
poopypants
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LMAO I thought it looked like him.....
paulg
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I think naringin makes me tired. I've done the RPM and Drive thing and the problem was fatigue at any does more than 2 caps. Weird huh? I talked to AN and they couldn't figure it out (though i have seen a couple of other posters mention that tired feeling post rpm/drive.) So I couldn't really get enough of the actives from either of those products to get the results. T-bol (thermolife) made me dog tired. Pro-anabol (alri) made me dog tired. Neither gave me results.
I don't drink (christian). Used to, back in the day, and I could put it away, somewhat.
I tell you, I believe I'll find something or more than one something that will make me grow. Whatever I need itched, or fixed, or modulated, or whatever. When THAT product comes out, watch out!
Incidently, is ANYONE getting the kind of results the Prime ads cited? As I've looked at the logs people like the product but I don't seem posting amazing numbers or just going ga ga over it.
MgoBlue
Banned
I'm going into my 3rd full week of Prime & so far I think I'm liking it. I began taking it the week before Gustav hit... Then, for obvious reasons, that week was shot (week long hurricane party) so I stopped the prime that week. The week after that, I had shift & a sick wife/baby..
Oh, my wife calls them the a$$hole pills because I've definitely become more "aggressive" with everyday life. I think a lot of that had to do w/ not being on my workout schedule for those two weeks.
Pump seems to stay w/ me all the time - I love that. I haven't weighed myself, I usually just go by what I see in the mirror & how I feel in the gym. My waist has gotten a tiny tad smaller & I think my shoulder/chest/back area has swollen a little as my shirts are tighter - I love that too!
The claim of owning the gym - I don't know about that, but I'm trying to get the most out of my two bottles, so I'm going 150% each time I walk in there. I'll see how the strength goes up this coming week. I know my whole body is still a little sore & I did chest last Tuesday!!
So far, I'm satisfied w/ Prime. I don't think I've ever tried a USP product that hasn't worked for me. PSlin was the best right behind Powerfull. I'm thinking of getting some bulk YG & see how that goes w/ it.
Oh, btw, the only other supp I'm taking right now is Neovar.
Oh, my wife calls them the a$$hole pills because I've definitely become more "aggressive" with everyday life. I think a lot of that had to do w/ not being on my workout schedule for those two weeks.
Pump seems to stay w/ me all the time - I love that. I haven't weighed myself, I usually just go by what I see in the mirror & how I feel in the gym. My waist has gotten a tiny tad smaller & I think my shoulder/chest/back area has swollen a little as my shirts are tighter - I love that too!
The claim of owning the gym - I don't know about that, but I'm trying to get the most out of my two bottles, so I'm going 150% each time I walk in there. I'll see how the strength goes up this coming week. I know my whole body is still a little sore & I did chest last Tuesday!!
So far, I'm satisfied w/ Prime. I don't think I've ever tried a USP product that hasn't worked for me. PSlin was the best right behind Powerfull. I'm thinking of getting some bulk YG & see how that goes w/ it.
Oh, btw, the only other supp I'm taking right now is Neovar.
poopypants
Banned
thats cool man, I have since put off all drinkin and smokin(herbals) since my last run in with trouble and started goin back to church... also christian so I totally respect that choice man, aint easy when all your friends (or wife) are all doin it in front of you....
Ya man there will be somethin out there for sure.
Have you tried some of the new creatine and insulin mimetics recently? maybe some pslin and creatine mono would be good, or shoot over to the AN side and pick up some neovar, its all in one creatine and mimetic so its VERY effective at rec doses, no guessing. well good luck with the rest of your run man.... if your lookin to get rid of the rest of that prime LMK and maybe we can work out a trade... wouldnt mind runnin some higher doses during my 50day run. (doin 6 caps 6 days a week)
AnonyMoose
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ok - back to your original question -
i am at the end of third week and beginning my fourth week and am still waiting for the "granite rock hard" feeling you are supposed to have all day. however - i have noticed it working significantly in my workouts.
i am at the end of third week and beginning my fourth week and am still waiting for the "granite rock hard" feeling you are supposed to have all day. however - i have noticed it working significantly in my workouts.
strategicmove
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:goodpost:
paulg
Member
any composition changes? how about the alpha male thing. You are a big guy, are you taking just 6 a day? At your size, do you have to mega dose stuff?
THEGEEZ
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THE PART ABOUT HAVING TO TAKE DOWN QUITE A FEW TO GET BUZZIN IS ME AND I AM A MAJOR ECTO MYSELF BRO WHATS THIS MEAN ? VERY INTERESTEDDDDDDDD :think:
AnonyMoose
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no alpha male like on cycle however i have alot more steam and stamina to grind more reps out at the end of each set. i am just (hopefully not my imagination) just noticing recomp now. my muscle appears thicker and i think i am loosing some body fat around the midsection. yep - big guy here but always do recommended dosing. i am considering after this week to go to 9 caps day to see if there is a difference if i don't get it this week.
DreamWeaver
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I was thinking a 1 week preload, like I see Jacob is doing.
SokVichet
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I did an 8 pill weeklong load. Two at each meal, four times a day spaced out approx. 4 hours apart. I have plenty of supplies, so I'm gonna be doing 3x3 5 days a week for two bottles.
I'm experiencing what seems to be a unique response to Prime that I would like to put out there. Since beginning Prime, I am having literally the worst (or best?) DOMS I have EVER had. Nothing compares, not even the 3 weeks after getting back in the gym for the first time in years. Along with the DOMS comes a constant pump. Almost like I've just slammed 100g of carbs with P-slin, and even my wife who sees me flexing every day noticed. I'm intensely sore for 3 days straight, lessening only with each nights sleep.
Normally, I'll do some fun cardio on non-training days like Tennis. But I haven't been able to do that at all this week or previous due to the soreness. I'm not unhappy about it. It's just not something I've had to deal with lol.
So, my point is, many people claim to be experiencing a lessened recovery time, but mine is actually extended! I've increased my EAA/BCAA intake as a countermeasure, and am trying to get down additional calories (very busy at work lately).
I cannot comment on endurance, as I've tossed in some new twists into my workout. However, I have hit PRs I've been stuck on for a few weeks. I do feel somewhat less endurance lately, but I simply attribute that to the heavier weight.
I'm experiencing what seems to be a unique response to Prime that I would like to put out there. Since beginning Prime, I am having literally the worst (or best?) DOMS I have EVER had. Nothing compares, not even the 3 weeks after getting back in the gym for the first time in years. Along with the DOMS comes a constant pump. Almost like I've just slammed 100g of carbs with P-slin, and even my wife who sees me flexing every day noticed. I'm intensely sore for 3 days straight, lessening only with each nights sleep.
Normally, I'll do some fun cardio on non-training days like Tennis. But I haven't been able to do that at all this week or previous due to the soreness. I'm not unhappy about it. It's just not something I've had to deal with lol.
So, my point is, many people claim to be experiencing a lessened recovery time, but mine is actually extended! I've increased my EAA/BCAA intake as a countermeasure, and am trying to get down additional calories (very busy at work lately).
I cannot comment on endurance, as I've tossed in some new twists into my workout. However, I have hit PRs I've been stuck on for a few weeks. I do feel somewhat less endurance lately, but I simply attribute that to the heavier weight.
DreamWeaver
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The first week my son experienced some extra soreness as did a few others but since then very little in the way of DOMS and the first week he was at the end of a routine. He started a new routine last week with very little soreness. He should have been very, very sore but wasn't.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Have you increased your intensity?
SokVichet
Active member
I have been making strength gains as noted in the final paragraph (although not very clearly). I wrote that post in a hurry, so I apologize if I wasn't clear. The intensity increase would be a factor of additional weight, however, my rep ranges have not changed. I also mentioned I've been altering exercises (new twists, which after reading I've come to realize I hate that phrase...). Soreness usually results from change that the body has not
While changing up my routine periodically is not new, I can understand how these changes could increase my soreness. The key change I forgot to include (but note in my log) is the 2 week scheduled break prior to starting Prime. This was supposed to be a light workout period (I do this approx every 10 or 12 weeks, and have found it to help keep me from plateauing), but ended up doing nothing due to sickness. I did have a week of training prior to adding Prime with a normal soreness level, but the week after starting Prime is when this started.
I generally view DOMS as a positive thing for me, but the duration and intensity of the soreness has been at a new level corresponding to several changes in additiona to starting Prime. I attempted to convey in the initial post that I do not attribute this particular response solely to Prime, but I've hopefully cleared that up a bit. I will keep you updated on my recovery timeframes in my log.
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hardknock
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Well, I can say this much for the gained this or that; that is, some people do gain 5 here or 4 there, but they do not maintain it. If your running a supp and you gain 3lbs, then you come off of the supp, and you start back to training the pre-supp way, then your going to lose it...and if said supp was working for them, or they thought it was working for them then they are not going to train as hard or be as strict on a diet as they were during the supplemental run.
Therein lies the answer ...
I remember when I was running yg/ifg2/blueup...one of the greatest benefits was that I was running something and I also convinced myself that I MUST eat healthy and eat a lot while I was on. This is what I did, plus trained near perfect ... i never missed a workout in the 12 weeks that I ran it. But, as soon as I came off of it, then I started to falter a little. I was not eating AS GOOD, and I WAS NOT TRAINING AS WELL, plus life hit, my mother passed and social events took over....
You have to be damned near isolated from humanity to be able to train for 16 weeks str8 without any reality of life hitting you square in the face.
This is ONE OF THE MANY REASONS why, some people do well ON SUPPS but it never equates to 20lbs of muscle over 2yrs.
One of the other things is that they are not really gaining 5lbs of muscle/lean....some is muscle, water, glycogen. This comprises lean muscle, or is the standard, but not pure muscle/striated. Its pretty easy to gain 5 lbs of muscle/water/glycogen and then lose 3lbs when you come down from a supp and your diet alters, plus the workout...
And let us not forget the one's who are just thinking they are gaining something but are not really gaining anything but a little water...and they are claiming the supp does well because they want to be with the "IN" crowd on the board.
AnonyMoose
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ok - so last night - middle of fourth week in and alpha male started kicking in. note two things - only during the wo and not the full out feeling yet. i still am not getting the all day jacked feeling. however - last nights chest wo was just great and everything stated on what to expect to bang out your wo so far is on. i did do 3 x 3 yesterday and should also let you know i am stacking this with powerfull and ap. as far as the body comp - not sure i am loosing body fat quickly however the thickness is showing in the muscle.
CoreDoug
Active member
Again that sucks
Too bad, because its not cheap stuff
You are the first non responder. I think I would have upped dosages just to see if it helps
Its daytime in Norway and I have a week off work
Do you work night shift? if so, welcome to the club.
I'm loving the Prime + ZAP stack.
AnonyMoose
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zap stack?
hardknock
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When you mention thickness, do you mean as in fullness or actually thicker texture/harder feel.
jsp0785
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if u don't respond to epistane u are doing something wrong. but not responding to steroids sounds a little fishy to me
jsp0785
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i would have to say right there your diet is out of whack. if you get that tired maybe ur carb intake is too low? but not responding to straight up roids and if you're losing the weight you gained from them you're not eating enough to keep it on or u didn't do proper pct and ur test levels are shot.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Could be his caloric requirements are just much higher than he thought, just grasping at staws but it seems Prime requires some extra calorie intake.
CoreDoug
Active member
USP Labs Prime + Core ZAP => never have I had more intense workouts.
AnonyMoose
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the latter as well as the apearance is fuller
paulg
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celc5
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When i take supps that work, my mental attitude has zero affect on my results.
Just to be clear, that was a generalized statement and not directed at prime or usp. I have not tried prime.