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IronFlex Diabolix Log: Unsponsored

DAY #32

03/31/2016

212.1 lbs 25.8% fat

Diabolix - 90mg

1h Back/Tris
Best: Pullups - Bodyweight x 10
2h Racquet Sports

Strong, increased strength and reps. This is the most carbs I've eaten in years.
 
DAY #33

04/01/2016

212.6 lbs 25.7% fat

Diabolix - 90mg

1h Racquet Sports

Noticing stools are getting lighter in color. Might discontinue use if it doesn't get better.
 
DAY #34

04/02/2016

215.5 lbs 25.9% fat

Diabolix - 90mg

0.5h Running

Lots of weight gain, mostly from the carbs far as I can tell. Not all muscle gain either... Stool color better today.
 
DAY #36 (Start Diabolix 105mg)

04/04/2016

217 lbs 28.0% fat

Diabolix - 105mg

1h Racquet Sports
1h Chest
Best: Bench Press - 315 x 4 (With finger spot)

I'm pretty sure this stuff doesn't do anything for me at these doses. There's nothing in my program that couldn't have been explained by diet, routine and support supplements. I'll finish out the bottle at 105mg, but I'll get some more bloods done at the end of the week to prove my findings.

Well I got stronger by a half a rep. Seeing how I've gained 9lbs since starting, you would expect the weight advantage alone to help me gain half a rep, so at this point I can say the Diabolix has done zero for strength. On a positive note it was nice to almost push 315 for 4 again; 225 as a warm-up felt so light! Gotta love that feeling when 225 feels like 135 warm-up. I increased reps on all exercises.
 
Interesting log, been watching along the entire time. Looking forward to your bloods and thanks for logging!
 
DAY #37

04/05/2016

214.7 lbs 26.8% fat

Diabolix - 105mg

2h Racquet Sports
1h Arms
Best: 135 x 2 (Poor form)

Started keto again. As expected felt weak, lost reps. At this point I feel it's safe to say Diabolix has done zero for me in the strength department. I bought the blood test, will go this week. I think I'm discontinuing the Diabolix tomorrow, who knows what's even in this stuff... I have a feeling this log is going to turn into a 7 week log for the effects of OL GHAR1NE and OL AR1MACARE PRO.
 
I'll take your extra diabolix ;) lol I have 2 bottles of it, not sure when I'll use it
 
DAY #38 - (End Diabolix)

04/06/2016

212 lbs 26.6% fat

Diabolix - 0mg

1h Racquet Sports
1h Shoulders
Best: Seated Military Press - 225 x 9

Felt weak, managed to get 225 x 9 still.

I've decided to end the Diabolix. I'll finish out the week on my program taking the last of support supplements and maybe a picture, just for consistency. I did get my blood drawn today, so we should have results soon. As mentioned in other posts, I am still extremely impressed with privatemdlabs.com for how quick and easy it is to get a blood test through them. For under $60 you can test results in less than a day. The appointment, which I just walked in for, took probably a whole 4 minutes. All of that impresses me.
 
DAY #38 - (End Diabolix)

04/06/2016

212 lbs 26.6% fat

Diabolix - 0mg

I've decided to end the Diabolix. I'll finish out the week on my program taking the last of support supplements and maybe a picture, just for consistency. I did get my blood drawn today, so we should have results soon. As mentioned in other posts, I am still extremely impressed with privatemdlabs.com for how quick and easy it is to get a blood test through them. For under $60 you can test results in less than a day. The appointment, which I just walked in for, took probably a whole 4 minutes. All of that impresses me.
Yep, I use PMD regularly. Never waited more than 48 hours for results. Sometimes less than 24. Way better than a hospital lab IMO.
 
DAY #38 - (End Diabolix)

04/06/2016

212 lbs 26.6% fat

Diabolix - 0mg

I've decided to end the Diabolix. I'll finish out the week on my program taking the last of support supplements and maybe a picture, just for consistency. I did get my blood drawn today, so we should have results soon. As mentioned in other posts, I am still extremely impressed with privatemdlabs.com for how quick and easy it is to get a blood test through them. For under $60 you can test results in less than a day. The appointment, which I just walked in for, took probably a whole 4 minutes. All of that impresses me.

It sucks that you don't feel you got anything off of the Diabolix, but unfortunately, unless you get the actual compound itself tested, you'll never know exactly what's in the caps. The change in diet back to Keto at the same time that you are dropping the Diabolix will definitely skew the results as far as weight gain/loss going forward and how you feel in general. At the end of the day, we all respond differently and if you're not happy with the results, that's what counts for you.

What I will say about diabolix is that I found it to be mild and clean. By that, I mean the gains snuck up on me and they were by no means drastic. I definitely gained on the compound though. For me it was very dry. When I ran Diabolix, I stacked it with Halo but I ran the Diabolix solo for 2-3 weeks (can't remember exactly) before I added the Halo in. In the first 2 weeks or so, I definitely saw an increase in blood pressure and vascularity. By the end of my cycle, which was fairly long, I definitely had signs of liver stress as well and high blood pressure. 100mg of Halo has never done that to me by itself.

I am interested to see what your bloodwork says. I have a hunch it will show elevated liver enzymes and Test in the low range but I could be wrong. I can't recall but did you get pre-cycle bloods? That, in combination with the bloodwork you just had done, would be the only way to draw a firm conclusion.

Thanks for taking the time to do the log. I was hoping you would see some nice results.
 
Thanks Toren, appreciate all the input.

I don't think my experience should detract from anyone else's and I'm not implying it should. We still have to see what the bloods say, but it's possible I bought bunk bottles or just don't respond to it. I bought the Diabolix at the time of the 2014 ban when all sorts of clones and bunk was going around, heck I got it for $12 a bottle. Maybe I just don't respond to DBol in general, I've read some people don't. I could get the same results from m-sten for example.
 
Thanks Toren, appreciate all the input.

I don't think my experience should detract from anyone else's and I'm not implying it should. We still have to see what the bloods say, but it's possible I bought bunk bottles or just don't respond to it. I bought the Diabolix at the time of the 2014 ban when all sorts of clones and bunk was going around, heck I got it for $12 a bottle. Maybe I just don't respond to DBol in general, I've read some people don't. I could get the same results from m-sten for example.

No problem. I agree with you, we definitely all respond differently to these compounds. Diabolix is a novel designer steroid and before any feedback was out about it, not too many people could give a definite answer as far as how people would respond to it. These designers are sometimes hit or miss it seems. I know people were originally suggesting/hoping it would be similar to Dbol, but for me, it was a very dry compound and I don't think I got any euphoric dbol-like feelings from it either.

I'm anxious to see your bloodwork. Cheers.
 
DAY #39

04/07/2016

210.8 lbs 27.2% fat

Diabolix - 0mg

1h Back
Best: Pull Ups - Bodyweight x 10

Blood Work Results

Testosterone, Serum - 250's - 348-1197 ng/dL - LOW
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S - 4's - 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH, Serum - 9's - 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
Estradiol - 17's - 7.6-42.6 pg/mL

Hemocrit, Platelets, Metabolic (AST/ALT) all the same.
 
Not sure what to make of the results.

Pre-Diabolix
Testosterone, Serum - 600's - 348-1197 ng/dL
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S - 10's - 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL - HIGH
FSH, Serum - 13's - 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL - HIGH
Estradiol - 14's - 7.6-42.6 pg/mL

Post Diabolix
Testosterone, Serum - 250's - 348-1197 ng/dL - LOW
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S - 4's - 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH, Serum - 9's - 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
Estradiol - 17's - 7.6-42.6 pg/mL

Difference
Testosterone, Serum - 600 - 250 = 350's
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S 10 - 4 = 6's
FSH, Serum - 12 - 9 = 3's
Estradiol - 14 - 17's = 3's

Hemocrit, Platelets, Metabolic (AST/ALT) all the same.

The LH being low is significant, the FSH also notable, the Estradiol probably not significant. The test being 350 points lower and under the range makes me think something was definitely going on. Not sure if diet, program and supplements alone are enough to make that much of a difference on test, unless possibly over-training. MK-677 supposedly lowers your test, the Androsta in the AR1MICARE Pro is an AI and should lower Estradiol and if anything raise test. The Diabolix seems to have been working on my HPTA, but might not have been enough to produce muscular gains? Otherwise I could have just been over-training, which might have reduced the test serum out of range. Confusing numbers.
 
A 60% reduction in Test and LH, as well as a reduction in FSH, would definitely indicate supression has taken place.

What time of day were the two blood draws done at?
 
One thing that's curious to me...

None of the bloods were higher, most of the counts if anything were a couple points lower. For sake of argument all of the bloods were virtually the same. The AST/ALT numbers were again virtually identical, and even matched some bloods I got by my doctor a year ago. Virtually identical.

So the curious part, shouldn't the bloods have gone up even slightly? And even more curious how were my AST/ALT numbers not raised if it truly was methylated and converting? Makes me think either the pills just had something mild like 4-AD in them, or over-training was possibly a factor. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a tester like diabetics use for testosterone!
 
DAY #40

04/08/2016

209.4 lbs 26.9% fat

Diabolix - 0mg

1h Racquet Sports

Finishing up the week just for consistency and review. Debating not using Clomid and taking a milder PCT or none at all.
 
DAY #42

04/10/2016

210.2 lbs 26.0% fat

Diabolix - 0mg

Rest.

And thus concludes the 6 weeks Diabolix log. I've decided to start the OL SUP3R PCT just to be safe. Will follow up with a review!
 
Here is my review of Diabolix. While it wasn't quite the results I was hoping for, it was still a productive cycle.

Ending Information
Under 40 Year-Old-Male - 5'9 - 210lbs - ~20% BF
Testosterone, Serum - 250's - 348-1197 ng/dL - LOW
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S - 4's - 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH, Serum - 9's - 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
Estradiol - 17's - 7.6-42.6 pg/mL

Current Records
Slight strength gain.

Dosing Information - On-Cycle
IF Diabolix - 15-30/45-60/60/75/90/105 (6 Weeks)
OL GHAR1NE - 10mg ED
OL AR1MACARE PRO - 8 Caps ED
ON Fish/Flax/Vitamins/ZMA - Recommended Doses ED

Dosing Information - Post-Cycle
OL SUP3R PCT - 10 Caps ED
ON Fish/Flax/Vitamins/ZMA - Recommended Doses ED

Results
My experience with Diabolix was generally positive moving me closer to my goals. At no point did I lose strength, even mostly in a caloric deficit, and my body constantly wanted to grow. Side effects were manageable and extremely mild. While I did experience some suppression, additional blood work showed zero changes from pre and post metabolic/liver values. Mood was good throughout, all a strong plus.

Goals
My primary goal was to cut/re-comp and I mostly achieved that. Even with the scale indicating otherwise, I have gotten noticeably leaner. Where I went wrong was not using Diabolix to it's full potential which isn't really a cutting compound. As mentioned, my weight constantly wanted to go up and I should have followed a diet to support that. Even my training, which was designed for power, should have been more in line for size and volume. I think that's where Diabolix would have really shined, as a bulking or sculpting compound.

Comments
As far as I can tell, the manufacturers claim that this is a prohoromone to DBol seems to be on target and the cycle should be treated as such. My effects, both good and bad, were very similar to DBol related effects.

Like DBol, I would recommend taking the majority of the dose in the morning along with your natural testosterone spike and the rest spaced out every 5 hours. Try to avoid taking it late at night. I would maintain a caloric surplus with emphasis on protein, medium carbs and lower fats. My training would follow a plan aimed at volume lifting, with slow reps in the 10+ range and more sets. I would continue to do cardio, at least an hour per day but with less intensity, say 130 bpm heart rate or less. For someone with more experience in the gym, I would recommend higher doses. Make sure to take it with DHB.

If you wanted to use this in a cutting cycle, you will still get results but again it should be treated like a low dose DBol cutting cycle. At first there will be a lot of weight gain but once you get past that sticking to a diet isn't hard. You should be able to maintain strength in a caloric deficit and the leaning will be noticeable in the mirror regardless of what the scale says. I didn't notice any lethargy and was able to keep the cardio intensity high. It can feel a bit like taking two steps forward and taking one step back, but will work effectively.

Don't underestimate stretching, had surprisingly good results with this.

The Good (Effects)
Nutrient retention
Maintained strength
No changes in metabolic/liver values
Vascularity
Leaned up

Neutral (Effects)
Weight gain
Appetite suppression
No changes in mood

The Bad (Side-Effects)
Testosterone supression
Back pumps
Needed higher doses

Would I use personally use Diabolix again?
Probably not.

Would I recommend Diabolix to others?
Yes. While Diabolix might not have been the best choice for my goals, the relative mildness of the compound can't be ignored. I experienced very few side effects, even as indicated by my blood work, and overall things went well. If someone is new to PH's this is definitely something to consider.
 
Nice review! and agree it worked good for me but I was bulking at the time and taking advantage of extra calories. Felt it really help me use those calories to put on muscle.
 
Post Cycle Therapy Update (3 Months After Cycle)

Interesting news, got some blood work done.

First, things are going great. I've continued to lose weight by choice and I'm holding steady around 198, about 10lbs down. My strength has been holding at my original stats, bench 315 x 2. Went on vacation last week and it's the first time I've missed a week of lifting in about 3 years, so I only got 315 x 1, but it's coming back. All-in-all even though I weigh 10lbs lighter, I've been able to hold my original stats.

As for the blood work... It's been about 3 months since I've discontinued the Diabolix and about 2 or so months since I stopped my PCT. I did not take Clomid as originally planned and only followed up with about a month of Sup3r PCT. Sup3r PCT was a huge help with lethargy, likely from the DAA? Any morning I didn't take it I felt run down. I did take some choline and inositol for about a month and that also seems to have had some positive health benefits. Here's the blood work, all tests were taken around noon-1PM. Anything labelled "POST" is the most current test.

Under 40 Year-Old-Male - 5'9 - PRE: 208lbs ~20% BF / END: 210 +20% BF / POST: 198lbs -20% BF
Testosterone, Serum - PRE: 600's / END: 250's / POST: 650's - 348-1197 ng/dL
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S - PRE: 10's / END: 4's / POST: 8's - 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH, Serum - PRE: 13's / END: 9's / POST: 12's - 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
Estradiol - PRE: 14's / END: 17's / POST: 10's - 7.6-42.6 pg/mL

Triglycerides - PRE: 50's / POST: 40's - <150 mg/dL
Cholesterol, HDL - PRE: 80's / POST: 90's - >39 mg/dL
LDL is higher than it should be, but I run keto and question this number. Cholesterol/HDL Ratio is very good.

AST (SGOT) - PRE: 20's / END: 30's / POST: 20's - 0-40 IU/L
ALT (SGPT) - PRE: 20's / END: 20's / POST: 10's - 0-44 IU/L

White/Red/Blood counts all pretty much stayed the same PRE/END/POST, very slightly lower POST.

Overall good news. Using a more natural PCT my testosterone not only recovered to base 600, it increased into the 650's! Estrogen is optimal and lower than before at 10's. LH and FSH recovered well, probably wasn't the worse thing in the world to give them a break as they were HIGH out of the reference range before. It's my understanding that this is a normal sign of aging, but also shows the testies are being overworked and can burn out. Apart from the high LDL (which I argue needs LDL partitioning measuring while on keto) the numbers, ratio and risk are all very good, better than before I started. Wasn't completely unexpected, my cardio has improved with more intense training. PRE: 24m 5K / POST: 22m 5K.

THIS ISN'T A LICENSE TO TAKE ANABOLICS! I'm simply reporting my findings PRE/END/POST to the best of my ability. I could take blood work tomorrow and these numbers could be completely different. With that said, I do personally feel that a SERM or harsh PCT is not always the best option in all scenarios. I'd personally argue that a harsh PCT may even do more harm than good when talking about mild prohormones and natural recovery. Where to draw the line, what is mild, the pros and cons all need to be considered, but it's a good conversation to have. Mostly I'd point to my weight reduction having the overall highest benefit on hormone levels. The choline and inositol also probably helped. Not only did everything show improvements in liver function, but the improvements in cholesterol, and ultimately hormones all tied in together. My training also supported all of this and shows the importance of continued improved cardio.

Was the cycle worth it? Hard to say, question for another time. Just following up with my findings. I will say the increasing cardio and weight reduction had the biggest impact though.

Side note, I've had some G.I. issues lately, mostly resolving, may or may not be related to all this. Never had them before.
 
Glad to see your bloods came back to normal!
For me Choline destroys my GI. But maybe for you it's somehing else.
 
Glad to see your bloods came back to normal!
For me Choline destroys my GI. But maybe for you it's somehing else.

Thanks. The inositol is definitely known for causing G.I. issues, choline as well. I've had lingering problems for about 2 months since taking the choline and inositol so it's a bit long now. Only good news is it seems to be residing so hopefully nothing to worry about. But yeah, did the c&i cause it, the MK-677, the Diabolix, the mix of support and PCT? Lots of questions but I was thinking the c&i could be a factor. All of it may not be related either, could have just been a bad stomach bug or stress.
 
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