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Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need to know!

raekwonse said:
Can this be run for 12 weeks? Just wondering because I may need 12 to get to where I want to be on this cut.
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I'm about 5 weeks into a 12 week cycle. It may not be recommended, but with a good PCT, I think it will be fine.
 
raekwonse said:
Thanks! Yeah I'm 5 weeks in as well. It's very mild, with no sides so far.

Doesn't seem like it would be too bad at 12 weeks.
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Nah, it wouldn't be. I'm in the middle of running it 8 weeks stacked with a lot of other compounds, side effect free. (Minus jaw pumps, probably from Trest) You should be fine, brother!
 
So I think I'm holding some water one day my love handles are almost flat other days they are very noticeable and I'm wondering if I'm holding water? Debating on adding an e blocker what do you guys think?
 
raul87 said:
So I think I'm holding some water one day my love handles are almost flat other days they are very noticeable and I'm wondering if I'm holding water? Debating on adding an e blocker what do you guys think?
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Funny - I feel like I've had some water retention signs during my weight loss while I've been on this. I'm too fat to notice bloat though :)

11-KT doesn't convert to estrogen, so I would think that is not an issue. Plus, if you have any HPTA suppression, I would think the lower T levels would lead to lower estrogen levels too, but maybe someone else is more knowledgeable on this than I am.

I'm just saying that I'm not sure E is causing your water retention, it may be something else.
 
From what I have understood but maybe I'm wrong low T from suppression happens during after coming off the ph. I know it doesn't convert to estrogen but this being my first ph I am trying to figure out how I'm reacting to it. I'm just spit balling here as I don't think lack of water is causing the bloat as I drink plenty of water during the day but my urine still isn't clear which is surprising
 
raul87 said:
From what I have understood but maybe I'm wrong low T from suppression happens during after coming off the ph. I know it doesn't convert to estrogen but this being my first ph I am trying to figure out how I'm reacting to it. I'm just spit balling here as I don't think lack of water is causing the bloat as I drink plenty of water during the day but my urine still isn't clear which is surprising
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watch ur sodium intake and what u eat u should be alright.
 
raul87 said:
From what I have understood but maybe I'm wrong low T from suppression happens during after coming off the ph. I know it doesn't convert to estrogen but this being my first ph I am trying to figure out how I'm reacting to it. I'm just spit balling here as I don't think lack of water is causing the bloat as I drink plenty of water during the day but my urine still isn't clear which is surprising
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How much water do you actually drink? Do you limit salt in any way?
 
HIT4ME said:
How much water do you actually drink? Do you limit salt in any way?
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About 1.5L during and immediately after workout and maybe just shy of a gallon throughout the rest of my day and not sure on sodium but I have been eating clean except for the bread from subway but that's really my only carb intake for the day. I work out of town in a ****hole town and my only viable half way decent meal. I'll be taking some chicken breasts and veggies to work today though do we'll so if u see an immediate change from not having the bread
 
Yeah, I don't limit sodium at all, but I try to drink 2 gallons/day. That's a lot more than most people though...
 
Any bloat or water retention has nothing to do with 11-KT. Its definitely diet related. If you aren't following a strict diet, it's hard to prove otherwise unless you measure and weigh your food and know the exact macros, calories and sodium/potassium in your diet. I've had guys tell me they think they have high Estrogen, turns out they were consuming about 5-7g salt a day and 200-500g carbs. A lot of people really don't 'diet' when they say they diet. Some people can get away with it, but most can't. Check your diet, make adjustments as necessary.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yeah, I don't limit sodium at all, but I try to drink 2 gallons/day. That's a lot more than most people though...
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It is, people don't drink enough. I had to adjust my diet to be 100g carbs, 5g Potassium and 2.5g Sodium, and 1.5 gallons water a day just to keep water retention and bloat at bay. All androgens increase water retention and BP via enhanced sodium retention and enhanced potassium excretion. They don't have to aromatize to estrogen to increase water weight or BP. I've mentioned this before, but few people hear it.
 
I'll try drinking more water today but it's such a pain in the ass my job is outside in South Texas so I'm always sweating to keep up with it I pretty much have to be downing water all through my 11hr shift.
 
As for my diet my only carbs the past 2 nights have been from a subway sub chicken breast, pepper jack cheese, lettuce, spinach, cucumber, and light mayo with a powerade during the night. My post workout meal has been healthy I had chicken with veggies and some rice and no preworkout meal as I'm working out fasted since I'm on nights and my 16hr fast ends at 4ish. I'm also wondering if it's my body adjusting to the 16/8 IF diet
 
Hastur said:
Any bloat or water retention has nothing to do with 11-KT. Its definitely diet related. If you aren't following a strict diet, it's hard to prove otherwise unless you measure and weigh your food and know the exact macros, calories and sodium/potassium in your diet. I've had guys tell me they think they have high Estrogen, turns out they were consuming about 5-7g salt a day and 200-500g carbs. A lot of people really don't 'diet' when they say they diet. Some people can get away with it, but most can't. Check your diet, make adjustments as necessary.
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Yeah, I've done the no-diet diet thing. It doesn't do anything for me. Some people can do it I guess...some people can eat Five Guys Burgers every day and not gain weight either. Not me.

Hastur said:
It is, people don't drink enough. I had to adjust my diet to be 100g carbs, 5g Potassium and 2.5g Sodium, and 1.5 gallons water a day just to keep water retention and bloat at bay. All androgens increase water retention and BP via enhanced sodium retention and enhanced potassium excretion. They don't have to aromatize to estrogen to increase water weight or BP. I've mentioned this before, but few people hear it.
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I'm sorry, did you say something?

raul87 said:
I'll try drinking more water today but it's such a pain in the ass my job is outside in South Texas so I'm always sweating to keep up with it I pretty much have to be downing water all through my 11hr shift.
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This is a pretty key piece of info. You seemed to be drinking a sufficient amount of water until you just said this. You're sweating out a lot of water in the heat - 2 gallons man. Trust me, it won't kill you.

raul87 said:
As for my diet my only carbs the past 2 nights have been from a subway sub chicken breast, pepper jack cheese, lettuce, spinach, cucumber, and light mayo with a powerade during the night. My post workout meal has been healthy I had chicken with veggies and some rice and no preworkout meal as I'm working out fasted since I'm on nights and my 16hr fast ends at 4ish. I'm also wondering if it's my body adjusting to the 16/8 IF diet
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Your body hasn't adjusted to the diet. I'll bet you $20. Is that ALL you've eaten? Have you weighed the foods (not from Subway)? I know I could easily eat 400-500 calories worth of rice and think it was normal.

Why do you think you've adjusted? How long have you been on it?
 
I don't think I have adjusted my eating window ends at midnight it's a little tough to finish the rest of my 5hr shift but Ign1te does help with appetite and I down some water bottles. It is a lot harder when I'm working days to finish the 16hrs but I'll manage come next week when I go back to days. I'm gonna drink a lot more water today until the point my piss is clear even after all the water it was still yellowish yesterday. I haven't weighed my food but for example my post workout meal right now was 3 pieces of chicken breast oven baked and a cup of rice with hot sauce and lime downing that with water. My dinner will be 2 pieces of breast with a salad on the side I season my checked with lemon and pepper
 
Hastur said:
It is, people don't drink enough. I had to adjust my diet to be 100g carbs, 5g Potassium and 2.5g Sodium, and 1.5 gallons water a day just to keep water retention and bloat at bay. All androgens increase water retention and BP via enhanced sodium retention and enhanced potassium excretion. They don't have to aromatize to estrogen to increase water weight or BP. I've mentioned this before, but few people hear it.
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Bro I gained 20 lbs on cycle and lost half my gains 1st week of PCT :yikes:
 
HIT4ME said:
Yeah, I've done the no-diet diet thing. It doesn't do anything for me. Some people can do it I guess...some people can eat Five Guys Burgers every day and not gain weight either. Not me.
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Hey, hard gainer here. I can't break 225 for the life of me. Eating ice cream, Oreos, etc on a daily basis and still nothing. Heading to chik fil a tonight and grabbing at least 3 sandwiches after my workout just because I know it'll do nothing for me.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Hey, hard gainer here. I can't break 225 for the life of me. Eating ice cream, Oreos, etc on a daily basis and still nothing. Heading to chik fil a tonight and grabbing at least 3 sandwiches after my workout just because I know it'll do nothing for me.
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would love to be like that :(

I am in-between the two extremes... I eat donuts, ice cream, cookies regularly but only do take out 1-2 times a week max. I have to do cardio regularly and work out pretty intensely to handle it though lol.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Hey, hard gainer here. I can't break 225 for the life of me. Eating ice cream, Oreos, etc on a daily basis and still nothing. Heading to chik fil a tonight and grabbing at least 3 sandwiches after my workout just because I know it'll do nothing for me.
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GNO said:
would love to be like that :(

I am in-between the two extremes... I eat donuts, ice cream, cookies regularly but only do take out 1-2 times a week max. I have to do cardio regularly and work out pretty intensely to handle it though lol.
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I no longer like either of you. Haha.
 
GNO said:
Did you ever?:umbrella:
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Let's just say I liked you more before I knew you could eat cookies and get away with it. Bam bam gives me metabolism envy though.
 
HIT4ME said:
Let's just say I liked you more before I knew you could eat cookies and get away with it. Bam bam gives me metabolism envy though.
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Perhaps it is best I do not go into detail on the amount of donuts I eat:woohoo:
 
The joys of being 21 years old. I'm almost looking forward to my metabolism slowing down so I don't have to stuff my face to gain a little weight.
 
BamBam0319 said:
The joys of being 21 years old. I'm almost looking forward to my metabolism slowing down so I don't have to stuff my face to gain a little weight.
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I am north of 30 and have been eating copious amounts of sugar all those years ... :dance:
 
GNO said:
I am north of 30 and have been eating copious amounts of sugar all those years ... :dance:
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That explains the morbidly obese GNO that I met at the Arnold :cheers:
 
BamBam0319 said:
That explains the morbidly obese GNO that I met at the Arnold :cheers:
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went to buckeye donuts with the team after dinner on the 1st day ...Smashed 8 donuts, true story :laughing:
 
GNO said:
went to buckeye donuts with the team after dinner on the 1st day ...Smashed 8 donuts, true story :laughing:
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Atta boy... I killed a whole dozen when I was on spring break in Miami lol
 
Well, I guess I'm pretty lucky too. I can eat pretty much anything I want. I just get really really fat.
 
VaughnTrue said:
LOL I'm definitely noticing some leaning out pretty quick. I am a very big fan of this compound, and really thankful OL sent me 2 bottles to use!
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Did you start at 250 or went straight to 500? How many weeks you've been on and how long u running it for? Anything else u running alongside it? Lol lots of ? Ha
 
halfhuman said:
Did you start at 250 or went straight to 500? How many weeks you've been on and how long u running it for? Anything else u running alongside it? Lol lots of ? Ha
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straight to 500mg. I had experience with a very high dose of 11oxo in the past, so I wasn't concerned.


Yes, I am running other compounds at the same time.
 
VaughnTrue said:
straight to 500mg. I had experience with a very high dose of 11oxo in the past, so I wasn't concerned.


Yes, I am running other compounds at the same time.
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Got it. I ran it at 250 for 4 weeks. Didn't see much. Going to run it again at 500 then ramp it up to 750 for 8 weeks. Let us know how it goes
 
halfhuman said:
Got it. I ran it at 250 for 4 weeks. Didn't see much. Going to run it again at 500 then ramp it up to 750 for 8 weeks. Let us know how it goes
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its not a compound that is going to produce extremely noticeable results in my opinion, and it definitely needs to be dosed higher than people would expect.

I am about 2 weeks in now, and enjoy it. It's not a total game changer, but the effects are subtle yet impressive if you really know how your body reacts different compounds
 
Ok so I've been dosing with an oral syringe just poured out the bottle on a small Tupperware bowl. I'm nearing the end of it is much much thicker in the bottom did this thing settle at the bottom? I also feel like little grains on the gel that weren't there for the first 2 weeks? Am I just getting to the good stuff? Lol
 
raul87 said:
Ok so I've been dosing with an oral syringe just poured out the bottle on a small Tupperware bowl. I'm nearing the end of it is much much thicker in the bottom did this thing settle at the bottom? I also feel like little grains on the gel that weren't there for the first 2 weeks? Am I just getting to the good stuff? Lol
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Yeah, so this seems to keep coming up. I haven't tried this, but heating the liquid in a heat bath will probably get it to dissolve I'm the carrier better.

I HAVE put a bottle of the Sup3r-11 in a container, added 12 ml of DMSO and 12 ml of 91% alcohol and then out it in a heat bath and it comes out much more clear and uniform. I half-a$$ed the heat bath too...if I took more time, it would have been better.
 
VaughnTrue said:
its not a compound that is going to produce extremely noticeable results in my opinion, and it definitely needs to be dosed higher than people would expect.

I am about 2 weeks in now, and enjoy it. It's not a total game changer, but the effects are subtle yet impressive if you really know how your body reacts different compounds
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I know my body extremely well. That's why I say it was ok at 250. Tbh I saw better effects on abliderate ammo from Evomuse. I will run it at 500mg+ which I'm sure is a lot better.
 
Very disappointed with the dosage (not for effectiveness). I'm at the end of the 2th week at 4ml (250mg) dosed with an oral siringe and is almost finished. I think that at that dose last only 2 weeks. Very very disappointed...........
 
Feiwong said:
Very disappointed with the dosage (not for effectiveness). I'm at the end of the 2th week at 4ml (250mg) dosed with an oral siringe and is almost finished. I think that at that dose last only 2 weeks. Very very disappointed...........
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We haven't had any reports of HALF dosed bottles. These are machine metered dosages when packaged, so it shouldn't be possible your bottle contained 60ml instead of the listed 120ml.
 
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