Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need to know!

ax1 said:
Were you an experienced aas user before? Just wondering, usually experienced people blow off 11-oxo low dosed, but pure natty's tend to notice things more. Its like people are desensitized or something, lol. I mean some people get nice effects just from oral 7-keto (scientifically proven too.)
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Good point - no, I have never used AAS. Back when I was about 20 (16 years ago) I used some Androstenedione, Norandrostendione, etc. for a short while. I haven't touched anything hormonal since then except for 11-oxo, 11-KT and DHEA. When I used the 11-Oxo, I was at a very high BF % too - so maybe that made a difference, but it had a noticeable and strong effect at 1 gram. Now that I've lost some weight (still have a ways to go) I may have a different experience with lower doses.
 
freakment said:
Grabbed a bottle, great price! Nutri-Verse, when are these shipping out?
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Bottles are sent to retailers, I can't comment on order timing from 3rd parties. Sorry
 
First time using anything anabolic. I want to pull the trigger on two bottles for a 8 week cycle but have no way of getting a serm. What type of pct would be sufficient for a two bottle 8 week cycle or should I just go with one bottle? I am in my mid 20s if it matters. I will be stacking with two bottles of folldrone 2.0 and triumph. Goal is to cut.
 
Lock74 said:
First time using anything anabolic. I want to pull the trigger on two bottles for a 8 week cycle but have no way of getting a serm. What type of pct would be sufficient for a two bottle 8 week cycle or should I just go with one bottle? I am in my mid 20s if it matters. I will be stacking with two bottles of folldrone 2.0 and triumph. Goal is to cut.
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If you are using two bottles, which is 250mg/day for 8 weeks, I highly recommend you use a SERM. Though as I stated in the guide, a SERM should be on hand even if you don't choose to run it in PCT, because you have no idea how your body will react. You may use a lower dose, or a shorter cycle, and still see suppression. We are all unique. Better safe than sorry, my friend.
 
Lock74 said:
First time using anything anabolic. I want to pull the trigger on two bottles for a 8 week cycle but have no way of getting a serm. What type of pct would be sufficient for a two bottle 8 week cycle or should I just go with one bottle? I am in my mid 20s if it matters. I will be stacking with two bottles of folldrone 2.0 and triumph. Goal is to cut.
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stick with natty supplements if you can't at least have a serm on hand. Plenty of options out there for you.
 
Hastur, sent you a PM about buying a case...can you let me know what is going on?
 
Can I use this along with Absolutely Abliderated or would that be overkill?

Maybe AbAb would be better to use afterwards to prevent any cortisol rebound?
 
raekwonse said:
Can I use this along with Absolutely Abliderated or would that be overkill?

Maybe AbAb would be better to use afterwards to prevent any cortisol rebound?
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IMO go for it.

You could always use it the last 15 days and 15 into pct. or if you have 2 bottles 30 days and 30 days.
 
What would be a good shelf life estimate before this stuff starts degrading in its liquid form?
 
cubs1987 said:
stick with natty supplements if you can't at least have a serm on hand. Plenty of options out there for you.
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I agree. The idea of running a cycle is always very tempting, but to do so without proper ancillaries on hand such as a SERM or AI can have consequences that may end up with you losing any gains made. Being well prepared cannot be overemphasized.

HIT4ME said:
Hastur, sent you a PM about buying a case...can you let me know what is going on?
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Hey, brother! I hadn't gotten to it yet, my inbox is getting flooded due to the popularity of this thread, I'm swamped trying to respond to people. I will put things in motion and see what I can do, thanks for reaching out here and getting my attention!

raekwonse said:
Can I use this along with Absolutely Abliderated or would that be overkill?

Maybe AbAb would be better to use afterwards to prevent any cortisol rebound?
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I cannot comment with certainty on this combination, but I suspect it would not be overkill. You could combine the two, and if you see side effects, lower the dosage of one, or both, or just drop one of the products.

ax1 said:
What would be a good shelf life estimate before this stuff starts degrading in its liquid form?
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This is a tough question, I am unsure of the exact length of time until it starts degrading. I would assume a shelf life of several years considering we have seen reports of people using very old bottles of 11-KT in the past and still having effective cycles.
 
For those looking into different sites of application;

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Test had a 5x higher penetration on the scrotum, given its very closely related structure it might be a good spot to go. Also after reading this article, heating up the nads in some warm water might also be beneficial haha however 4ml might be a lot for a single application there. haven't found anything that much more interesting though


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It's here Gents...doing some quality control for the first bottles off the production line ...
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Yes!!!!!!
 
GNO said:
It's here Gents...doing some quality control for the first bottles off the production line ...
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Yes!!!!!!
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That bottle that's leaning over looks broken. Send it to me for inspection
 
GNO said:
It's here Gents...doing some quality control for the first bottles off the production line ...
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How do you guys manage to get such exact servings from the pump? My dosing is all over the place with Ep1c the pump is very inconsistent
 
Tried to order from Nutriverse. Site stated accepts PayPal. Added to cart etc, got to check out and no PayPal. Bummer!
Also, how come I cannot buy from a UK site? Supposed to be OLUK
 
Bradruz said:
Would running this be beneficial for a 43 y/o with 19% bf? To cut or recomp?
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I would say 100% yes. Run for a min of 6 weeks at 2ml ... 8 weeks preferred, and have a good pct in line. You can also stack with a lighter DHT product for additional horsepower for lean mass.
 
Bradruz said:
PCT - Sup3r PCT, Clomid and an AI on hand?

Or would say Rebirth with Sup3r PCT work?
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Read into this thread a little bit brah - SERM is recommended to have on hand and likely take a low dose for PCT


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Edit: double post from app glitch
 
Woody said:
Why does the new app have signatures for people? Kinda weird
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It bothers me


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josun said:
Should a beginner get two or one?
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Depends how you want to dose. Our beginner template in the OP suggests 250mg/d, so if you did that youd need two bottles for an 8wk run.

But....you dont have to dose 250mg/d, the active compound will still be effective at lower doses.
 
TucanD said:
For those looking into different sites of application;

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Test had a 5x higher penetration on the scrotum, given its very closely related structure it might be a good spot to go. Also after reading this article, heating up the nads in some warm water might also be beneficial haha however 4ml might be a lot for a single application there. haven't found anything that much more interesting though

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On the subject of application. The two most important factors are site of application and surface area of application. In a paper published in the book "Transdermal Absorption of Dermatological Products", the percutaneous absorption of benzoic acid was measured at 11 different sites. From this it would appear optimal to apply trandermals to the postauricular/neck/clavicle region. (Please do not apply to the face or genitals. Those areas contain a lot of sensitive nerve-endings, and application at these areas may cause pain or discomfort.) The second factor regarding surface area we must consider is transdermal flux, which is measured in µg/cm²/hour, so the more square centimeters you spread your dose over, the more flux you'll achieve. Spread the transdermal as thinly and as broadly as possible for optimal results.

chainsaw said:
What is best time for applying? Does it really matter?
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As addressed in the first post, it's likely optimal to apply it mid-day or pre-workout.

josun said:
Should a beginner get two or one?
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NewAgeMayan said:
Depends how you want to dose. Our beginner template in the OP suggests 250mg/d, so if you did that youd need two bottles for an 8wk run.

But....you dont have to dose 250mg/d, the active compound will still be effective at lower doses.
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Agreed. You could run 125mg/d for 8 weeks with one bottle, or 250mg/d for 4 weeks with one bottle, or even 250mg/d for 8 weeks with 2 bottles. All would be perfectly acceptable for a beginner.

Bradruz said:
Would running this be beneficial for a 43 y/o with 19% bf? To cut or recomp?
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Yes, in fact it would likely work better for you than for younger men due to the correlation with higher cortisol in older men and lower strength. Cutting, recomping, even lean bulking, it can work well for any of these.

Bradruz said:
PCT - Sup3r PCT, Clomid and an AI on hand?

Or would say Rebirth with Sup3r PCT work?
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I always recommend people be well prepared because we all respond differently to things. Two people can take the same dosage for the same length of time and one is more suppressed than the other due to individual variables. That's why its highly recommended to have a SERM and AI on hand. Better safe than sorry, my friend.
 
Hastur said:
On the subject of application. The two most important factors are site of application and surface area of application. In a paper published in the book "Transdermal Absorption of Dermatological Products", the percutaneous absorption of benzoic acid was measured at 11 different sites. From this it would appear optimal to apply trandermals to the postauricular/neck/clavicle region. (Please do not apply to the face or genitals. Those areas contain a lot of sensitive nerve-endings, and application at these areas may cause pain or discomfort.) The second factor regarding surface area we must consider is transdermal flux, which is measured in µg/cm²/hour, so the more square centimeters you spread your dose over, the more flux you'll achieve. Spread the transdermal as thinly and as broadly as possible for optimal results.



As addressed in the first post, it's likely optimal to apply it mid-day or pre-workout.




Agreed. You could run 125mg/d for 8 weeks with one bottle, or 250mg/d for 4 weeks with one bottle, or even 250mg/d for 8 weeks with 2 bottles. All would be perfectly acceptable for a beginner.



Yes, in fact it would likely work better for you than for younger men due to the correlation with higher cortisol in older men and lower strength. Cutting, recomping, even lean bulking, it can work well for any of these.



I always recommend people be well prepared because we all respond differently to things. Two people can take the same dosage for the same length of time and one is more suppressed than the other due to individual variables. That's why its highly recommended to have a SERM and AI on hand. Better safe than sorry, my friend.
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Having never used a hormonal product that requires PCT I don't understand the term that keeps getting used " on hand" How are you supposed to know if you need to used a SERM or AI?
 
AndrewMcD said:
Having never used a hormonal product that requires PCT I don't understand the term that keeps getting used " on hand" How are you supposed to know if you need to used a SERM or AI?
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You want to have it in case you need it. How will you know if you need it? Blood work before a cycle and after a cycle is recommended, always has been. But few people actually do it. So in light of that fact, it's recommend typically to always use a SERM in PCT at some dosage for some length of time. You could use an OTC product for PCT, then notice your testes not returning to full size, or that you're feeling lethargic from low Testosterone, or you may feel fine AND your testes appear fine but you have low Testosterone and are unaware of it and start to notice a loss of strength and/or muscle mass. So when I say 'better safe than sorry' I mean, take every precaution, always run a proper PCT, and do not try to justify to yourself that you'll probably be fine and there's no need to have either a SERM or AI on hand. Some people do that because they do not comprehend cycling, some people are being too "cost-effective" and do not wish to spend the extra money on ancillaries, others are afraid of SERMS for one reason or another typically due to being poorly educated on them.
 
Hastur said:
You want to have it in case you need it. How will you know if you need it? Blood work before a cycle and after a cycle is recommended, always has been. But few people actually do it. So in light of that fact, it's recommend typically to always use a SERM in PCT at some dosage for some length of time. You could use an OTC product for PCT, then notice your testes not returning to full size, or that you're feeling lethargic from low Testosterone, or you may feel fine AND your testes appear fine but you have low Testosterone and are unaware of it and start to notice a loss of strength and/or muscle mass. So when I say 'better safe than sorry' I mean, take every precaution, always run a proper PCT, and do not try to justify to yourself that you'll probably be fine and there's no need to have either a SERM or AI on hand. Some people do that because they do not comprehend cycling, some people are being too "cost-effective" and do not wish to spend the extra money on ancillaries, others are afraid of SERMS for one reason or another typically due to being poorly educated on them.
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Great post man. Really informative! Thank you for taking the time to answer this. Im sorry for all the questions...running something for the first time can be very intimidating haha
 
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