Input welcomed on plan of *long* 4AD/1AD/Superdrol cycle (12 weeks)

[kwyckemynd00]

bro, chill out...

Eh, don't mind me. I've been dieting and some people have just made me a bit irritable

...whatever the science tells you, the brotelligence does not back it up

A good point and the reason I got into this thread in the first place. I know "brotelligence" has gotten a bad rap lately--and rightly so for the most part-- but there are some things that just aren't as bad as they sound on paper. E.g. 17aa orals and their toxicity (the reason I got into this thread).

...and test DOES convert @ 16% in blood, that's been verified in lab tests.

Eh...One of the minds I trust the most (as well as Designer Supps trusting ) and has spent more time researching these supps that most people on the planet--yeah, strateg0s needs to get a life j/k --shared this info with us, but I'm not gonna argue the point b/c it doesn't matter much and I was just kinda grumpy: Invalid Link Removed
here is another post that you may find interesting...like I said, I understand where your numbers are coming from: Invalid Link Removed

you're just contradicting yourself there...before, you said he should expect "test-like results"
...

My point was that it wasn't considered a "replacement" for test, but considering the target hormone IS test it seems logical to reference working ranges of Test to give you a ballpark estimate as to what doses should be taken of the 4AD. This isn't "replacing" test...it's just simply using it as a reference point to make a successful cycle

Either way, I didn't mean to come off as a dick. I've just been seeing way to many "I know more than you do" types infiltrating the board here, and it's made me slightly irritable. No harsh feelings.

 

[same_old]

Eh...One of the minds I trust the most (as well as Designer Supps trusting ) and has spent more time researching these supps that most people on the planet--yeah, strateg0s needs to get a life j/k --shared this info with us, but I'm not gonna argue the point b/c it doesn't matter much and I was just kinda grumpy: Invalid Link Removed
here is another post that you may find interesting...like I said, I understand where your numbers are coming from: Invalid Link Removed

Either way, I didn't mean to come off as a dick. I've just been seeing way to many "I know more than you do" types infiltrating the board here, and it's made me slightly irritable. No harsh feelings.

good link - bobo's observations of SS's sledge-test run are interesting....i'm sure we can both agree that cypionate IM administration and oral are vastly different, such that it almost becomes irrelevant what the % is in blood (considering that the oral uptake is so variable and low)

no hard feelings - you know what you're talking about. and i know all about "hunger rage" too.

redswan - great lipid #'s. glad to see you're taking the responsible approach and getting tested. good luck.

 

[DR.D]

*bump* for Dr.D and the questions I asked above pertaining to the Flax oil and PCT questions.

AST - 35
ALT -47
Cholesterol: 131
HDL - 45
LDL - 75
LDL/HDL ratio: 1.68
Testosterone, total: 448

Those are such pretty cholesterol numbers! The test is low for your age though. I suggest 30ml Flax oil in the morning and 30ml Coconut oil before bed on PCT, but you can slash it down to 15 each if you want. The coconut oil is loaded with lauric, a great fatty acid, just don't get any hydrogenated form. The rest of your supps look good. You said milk thistle too, right? Also, take Vitamin C at least 500mg twice/day always. If you take much more, buffer it with tums or protein meals or use the palmitate ester or a mineral salt like Sodium Ascorbate. 8wk PCT example:

wk1: Clomid 100mg, LXT 150mg, RXT 25mg, Fen 2000mg, DHEA 200mg
wk2: Clomid 100mg, LXT 100mg, RXT 25mg, Fen 2500mg, DHEA 200mg
wk3: Clomid 50mg, Nolva 40mg, LXT 50mg, RXT 25mg, Fen 3000mg, DHEA 200mg
wk4: Nolva 60mg, RXT 50mg, DHEA 100mg
wk5: Nolva 40mg, RXT 50mg, DHEA 100mg
wk6: Nolva 20mg, RXT 75mg, Fen 2000mg, DHEA 50mg
wk7: Nolva 20mg, RXT 75mg, Fen 2500mg
wk8: Nolva 20mg, RXT 75mg, Fen 3000mg

If you have hCG and haven't used it all cycle, but decide you need it to kick off PCT after all, start 2 weeks before PCT with 500iu EOD until you've used a total of 5000iu, your very first shot should be 1000 though. This will slightly over lap with the initiation of your PCT but it's a good way to stage the SERM and won't hurt final PCT results, you're not loading the Clomid anyway, and you have 8 weeks. With the RXT and LXT, at the times when the dose is over 25 and 50mg respectively, separate the doses into equally spaced intervals. The DHEA dose all in morning or in a morning/noon split. No DHEA after noon. You may realize about 4wks into PCT that you are ahead of task. If so, you can cut the PCT short to 6wks instead of 8 or just stick to the script but eliminate the last 2 wks of Nolva use. In this case, you might could down adjust the RXT dose too. You should be bouncing hard after this. I'd skip not less than 2 more months now before the next cycle. A final note, you could sub Nolva(about 60-80mg) for Clomid if you wish to avoid Clomid or don't have any on hand, but it does not work as well in my experience, at least not as fast.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

good link - bobo's observations of SS's sledge-test run are interesting....i'm sure we can both agree that cypionate IM administration and oral are vastly different, such that it almost becomes irrelevant what the % is in blood (considering that the oral uptake is so variable and low)

Yeah, they are different, bu tthere is nothing wrong with finding a reference point to begin with

no hard feelings - you know what you're talking about. and i know all about "hunger rage" too.

Nah, I just copy and paste what others say

 

[RedSwan78]

Dr. D,

Thanks for chipping in again! Although, that's NOT what I wanted to hear about my Testosterone level though I thought it was "decent"..? Well.. poo. (I'm 26, due to turn 27 in about 33 days) In my follow-up bloodwork I wasn't going to get Testosterone checked again untill after PCT, because what's the point of having it checked DURING cycle, right? :rofl: Yes, Milk Thistle and Vitamin C are taken everyday as well. (the Vit. C is the "Buffered C" from BAC)

Thanks for the awesome recomendation for PCT, I'll get me some Clomid, Fenugreek and DHEA on the way and I'll be all set. Don't have any access to HCG, so won't be using any of that.

So just for an update otherwise, I still need to do the write-up to post my official "log" (i'm a semi-perfectionist ), but I had started taking the 4AD and SD after the gym on Friday, so that was kind of "day 0", and Saturday was the first full day. I was SOOO frickin "pumped" during yesterday's workout.. wow! Unbelievable. Up 4 pounds already (ok, ok, 3.8 to be specific ) Today was cardio, nothing much to report there. I should have the official log put up at the very LATEST by this Saturday, hopefully alot sooner than that though!

Ok, off to work with me!

 

[DR.D]

Can't wait to track the log. I respect your detailed approach. Perfectionist are technically losers, because there is no such thing as "perfection". But semi-perfectionist are OK, because you have to have a slightly higher standard that you can realisticly attain if you want to get ahead, so your a man after my own heart!

 

[BigVrunga]

wk1: Clomid 100mg, LXT 150mg, RXT 25mg, Fen 2000mg, DHEA 200mg
wk2: Clomid 100mg, LXT 100mg, RXT 25mg, Fen 2500mg, DHEA 200mg
wk3: Clomid 50mg, Nolva 40mg, LXT 50mg, RXT 25mg, Fen 3000mg, DHEA 200mg
wk4: Nolva 60mg, RXT 50mg, DHEA 100mg
wk5: Nolva 40mg, RXT 50mg, DHEA 100mg
wk6: Nolva 20mg, RXT 75mg, Fen 2000mg, DHEA 50mg
wk7: Nolva 20mg, RXT 75mg, Fen 2500mg
wk8: Nolva 20mg, RXT 75mg, Fen 3000mg

If you have hCG and haven't used it all cycle, but decide you need it to kick off PCT after all, start 2 weeks before PCT with 500iu EOD until you've used a total of 5000iu, your very first shot should be 1000 though. This will slightly over lap with the initiation of your PCT but it's a good way to stage the SERM and won't hurt final PCT results, you're not loading the Clomid anyway, and you have 8 weeks. With the RXT and LXT, at the times when the dose is over 25 and 50mg respectively, separate the doses into equally spaced intervals. The DHEA dose all in morning or in a morning/noon split. No DHEA after noon. You may realize about 4wks into PCT that you are ahead of task. If so, you can cut the PCT short to 6wks instead of 8 or just stick to the script but eliminate the last 2 wks of Nolva use. In this case, you might could down adjust the RXT dose too. You should be bouncing hard after this. I'd skip not less than 2 more months now before the next cycle. A final note, you could sub Nolva(about 60-80mg) for Clomid if you wish to avoid Clomid or don't have any on hand, but it does not work as well in my experience, at least not as fast.

Nice post Dr.D!