Has anyone ever used injectable dbol? I've hear anecdotal reports of less bloating, and other sides. Im think about adding to a test blast....
All input greatly appreciated
All input greatly appreciated
I've used injectable Dbol once previously, used it for about 3 weeks before the PIP became too much. In my experience it's very similar to oral Dbol, made me strong and full but also a little bloated and spiked my estrogen.Has anyone ever used injectable dbol? I've hear anecdotal reports of less bloating, and other sides. Im think about adding to a test blast....
All input greatly appreciated
How much were you pinning at a time?I only ran it for a few days, the pip was awful. I myself had a pretty big spike in estrogen, got bloat and brain fog pretty quickly but otherwise it wasn’t awful in that regard. I pinned in my right shoulder first day and I normally don’t “feel” an oil go in but this stuff felt hot and stung pretty bad. Next pin was my right quad, had the same experience but didn’t seem as bad, hit me like a ton of bricks about 2 hours later and lasted for about 3 days. Worst pip I’ve ever experienced and trying to walk on it was hard as hell. Only eased up if I mixed it with test in the same pin. I got it from a good source but injectable orals are tricky. I’ve been thinking about running it at a low dose again but the pip really turned me off. Gave a huge boost pre workout though which was cool. Hope this helped!
30mgHow much were you pinning at a time?
I never tried the IM Dbol. Probably won't. I don't think it could hurt to try it, I'm just not sure it'll be an answer you're looking for.I'm open for suggestions....ive heard guy talk about epi-andro...but I don't know much about it.
Isn’t Epi andro about as potent as creatine?I never tried the IM Dbol. Probably won't. I don't think it could hurt to try it, I'm just not sure it'll be an answer you're looking for.
I recently fell in love with Epiandro Transdernal (Stanogen from Apex Alchemy).
I Really enjoy the stuff. No noticeable toxicity at all. Energy, stamina, drive, strength, bodyfat decrease, muscle hardening....
It is a DHT, so anxiety is possible, but I used to have issues with Anxiety, and Epiandro has not caused me any issues at all with that.
Is there a reason you seem to be looking for a methyl in particular?
Have you tried something like Triumphalis?
LOL.Isn’t Epi andro about as potent as creatine?
Hahaha yeah I know! Supposedly a nice feel good compound as TDLOL.
If you're looking for a mass-monster, Epi isn't it. But for the things I mentioned, it's awesome.
Some guys have been surprised how fond I've grown of it (especially considering the different compounds I've used).
.... I was a little surprised myself.
yeah it’s not in the same league as dbol or pretty much any proper oral but I’ve a fondness for epiandro. Pwo is where it really shines in my opinion but generally I’ve always felt good on it.LOL.
If you're looking for a mass-monster, Epi isn't it. But for the things I mentioned, it's awesome.
Some guys have been surprised how fond I've grown of it (especially considering the different compounds I've used).
.... I was a little surprised myself.
Now's definitely the time to buy it. BOGO Free Stanogen (Transdermal Epiandro) at Apex Alchemy. So 2 Transdermal bottles for less than $35. ( And shipping is only 5 bucks).yeah it’s not in the same league as dbol or pretty much any proper oral but I’ve a fondness for epiandro. Pwo is where it really shines in my opinion but generally I’ve always felt good on it.
it’s a lovely addition to a cycle, just pricey
Nonetheless generally speaking orals in injectable form are known for horrible pip. Your friends are just gifted gods probably lucky them!A few of the guys in a group I’m in use injectable dbol as well as injectable anadrol. None have complained about PIP they said it’s way stronger as most of the time injectable is mg for mg. It’s worth trying to find out how you like it. Everyone is gonna react different. Also different brewers use different formula so that has an effect as well.
tbf I’ve not heard of people struggling with pip on sdrol (I’ll be finding out myself at Christmas).....Nonetheless generally speaking orals in injectable form are known for horrible pip. Your friends are just gifted gods probably lucky them!
shipping to the UK would be a pain in the ass right now thoughNow's definitely the time to buy it. BOGO Free Stanogen (Transdermal Epiandro) at Apex Alchemy. So 2 Transdermal bottles for less than $35. ( And shipping is only 5 bucks).
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Yeah funny enough the only one my friends didn’t have struggle with was SD... msten,var,dbol had awful piptbf I’ve not heard of people struggling with pip on sdrol (I’ll be finding out myself at Christmas).....
Ugh. You're probably right. But feel free to send a msg to Nos, if you want to discuss it.shipping to the UK would be a pain in the ass right now though
not even sure why anyone would inject var?Yeah funny enough the only one my friends didn’t have struggle with was SD... msten,var,dbol had awful pip
Or some people know how to brew. Not all injectable orals are made water based. Also take DHB for example at day 100mg/ml some people can brew it with no PIP and there’s others that crash at room temp and need to be heated each time. Also some people just don’t get bother by PIP because it’s part of the game.Nonetheless generally speaking orals in injectable form are known for horrible pip. Your friends are just gifted gods probably lucky them!
Not getting bothered by PIP and saying there’s no pip is a complete different thing though. Also a lot of people wanna be cool and tough and say they have no pip when they actually do.Or some people know how to brew. Not all injectable orals are made water based. Also take DHB for example at day 100mg/ml some people can brew it with no PIP and there’s others that crash at room temp and need to be heated each time. Also some people just don’t get bother by PIP because it’s part of the game.
I agree I was pinning DHB 150mg EOD did it have PIP sure but really didn’t bother me until about week 8 when I’m basically pinning into a golf ball knot. All I’m saying it depends on who brews it and with what. The guy I got has test 500mg/ml no PIP at all. But TNE at 100mg is brutal and that’s oil not suspension.Not getting bothered by PIP and saying there’s no pip is a complete different thing though. Also a lot of people wanna be cool and tough and say they have no pip when they actually do.
I'm just trying to avoid anything hard on the liver, and lipids...i like to have beer or two every now and then, and I don't want to be worried about being on harsh oralsI never tried the IM Dbol. Probably won't. I don't think it could hurt to try it, I'm just not sure it'll be an answer you're looking for.
I recently fell in love with Epiandro Transdernal (Stanogen from Apex Alchemy).
I Really enjoy the stuff. No noticeable toxicity at all. Energy, stamina, drive, strength, bodyfat decrease, muscle hardening....
It is a DHT, so anxiety is possible, but I used to have issues with Anxiety, and Epiandro has not caused me any issues at all with that.
Is there a reason you seem to be looking for a methyl in particular?
Have you tried something like Triumphalis?
I would be more concerned with lipids than the liver. I know I’ve said it in other threads but I’m an alcoholic and my liver values have only once been out of range at all and it was barely. And not while on anything. Take your support of choice for the liver and you’re fine especially for reasonable cyclesI'm just trying to avoid anything hard on the liver, and lipids...i like to have beer or two every now and then, and I don't want to be worried about being on harsh orals
200-400mg (I've seen guys run more).How much of the transdemermal epi-andro does one need per day? I see its 100mg/ml....
I thought I've heard of people running like 400mg per day
Yeah, lipids definitely concern me more....I would be more concerned with lipids than the liver. I know I’ve said it in other threads but I’m an alcoholic and my liver values have only once been out of range at all and it was barely. And not while on anything. Take your support of choice for the liver and you’re fine especially for reasonable cycles
Of course and it’s my main concern too but there’s many supplement you should/could take while on cycle to maintain relatively healthy lipids.Yeah, lipids definitely concern me more....
There’s no compound that affects lipids when taken orally that won’t also affect them if taken IM. You’re looking for a unicorn.Yeah, lipids definitely concern me more....
Does pinning them decrease the effect on lipids? I know lipids will never go unscathedThere’s no compound that affects lipids when taken orally that won’t also affect them if taken IM. You’re looking for a unicorn.
Pinning your orals is just a preference, with all the aforementioned drawbacks like pip and benefits like potency/mg.
Not sure. Not that I’m aware of. I wouldn’t hold my breath.Does pinning them decrease the effect on lipids? I know lipids will never go unscathed
I always thought pinning decreased the impact on lipids purely because the increased bioavailability means you take less.....so mg for mg makes no difference but your taking 20mg instead of 50mg....Not sure. Not that I’m aware of. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Great! I think you'll like it, I do!@Renew1 i decided to give Stanogen a try...just took advantage of the bogo.
I haven’t used Stanogen, but I have eaten a ton of epiandro over many cycles as well as used Apex’s 11Kt. Epiandro is a fun addition for a lot of different purposes, and Kronos was the best TD product I have ever used.@Renew1 i decided to give Stanogen a try...just took advantage of the bogo.
Well I would definitely be inclined to expect taking a smaller dosage of anything to be healthier, but that wasn’t the discussion here so I wasn’t assuming that. And how big of a difference it’s going to make on the inside isn’t necessarily connected to even how you feel.I always thought pinning decreased the impact on lipids purely because the increased bioavailability means you take less.....so mg for mg makes no difference but your taking 20mg instead of 50mg....
I could be wrong but that was what id always thought.....
yeah I just think that’s where the confusion is on injectable vs oral for sides.I haven’t used Stanogen, but I have eaten a ton of epiandro over many cycles as well as used Apex’s 11Kt. Epiandro is a fun addition for a lot of different purposes, and Kronos was the best TD product I have ever used.
It’s not going to be anything like a methyl, but it is going to be a positive addition for sure.
Well I would definitely be inclined to expect taking a smaller dosage of anything to be healthier, but that wasn’t the discussion here so I wasn’t assuming that. And how big of a difference it’s going to make on the inside isn’t necessarily connected to even how you feel.
I can tell you I have heard of someone (that is an actual acquaintance) that drew bloods on a cycle, added Dbol, and had bloods pulled again the very next day and his HDL had already dropped significantly after a single dose. This was alarming, but shows the truth of the matter: some compounds are just bad for health at any dose. If you are going to take an oral that tanks your lipids, it’s probably going to be bad regardless. I mean, I would rather have 24 HDL than 12 on cycle, but how much does that even matter when my LDL is 200+? Both are environments for plaque formation.
I hear you. I have found they cost more per mg than oral preparations, you have to factor cost of slin pins, actually pin them daily at least once, deal with that pip - there is no benefit to an IM methyl I can see beyond being able to take less mg for the desired results.yeah I just think that’s where the confusion is on injectable vs oral for sides.
like with sdrol. When I pin that if I do 10mg a day I expect to feel less sides than when I took 20mg a day orally but would expect the same upsides if that makes sense.
mg for mg probably no difference in sides but in the context of a cycle then the same outcome should be achieved with less sides going injectable
What is the best way to run this? Just got my bottles....im not seeing any instructions.Great! I think you'll like it, I do!
It's used based upon how each person reacts.What is the best way to run this? Just got my bottles....im not seeing any instructions.
Are you using pre workout?It's used based upon how each person reacts.
A lot of guys use 2ml.
On heavy training days, and heavy physical work days, I use 3-4ml.
It really cranks it up and adds strength and energy and drive.
I think Ripper said he goes up to 5ml.
I haven't tried that.
Yeah, I use it preworkout (or first thing in the morning, before going to work).Are you using pre workout?
And where are you applying it? Does it have to be after a shower?
This is my first time using a transdermal.
I jumped on this deal too. Grabbed 4 bottles. I've also got the new Alpha Seven coming in soon. Would these stack ok together for a month run? Next month I'm going to a light run of msten and 3AD.Yeah, I use it preworkout (or first thing in the morning, before going to work).
I use it: arms, shoulders, clavicle, calves, tops of feet, thighs.
I try to look for thin skin/low bodyfat areas.
It doesn't Have to be after a shower, but try to put as much time as possible after applying, before you shower.
Sure, you could stack them.I jumped on this deal too. Grabbed 4 bottles. I've also got the new Alpha Seven coming in soon. Would these stack ok together for a month run? Next month I'm going to a light run of msten and 3AD.