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Injectable cycle

Yes, yes they are.

I didn't think so for years. I finally put the test to the test.
I will only run orals as part of a longer test cycle.
 
I started epistane on Wednesday, and I was thinking about adding test, but I wasn't sure how to do it.
 
Test prop if u wanna add it know. I'd do 50mg Ed unless ur feeling crazy and do 100mg
 
Is it okay if I have never ran one yet??? Optimal? I know how to do it, watched friend do it many of times safely. Didn't know if it would be too harsh for a first with a PH and injectable
 
Test at 500mg/week is a perfect first cycle, use whatever ester you want.

Test is great but I like orals too. The beauty of injectables is the fact that you can run them for long periods of time without big health issues.
 
I'd rather not get all puffy and ****. Haha. Not scared of the pain. Just didn't know if it would be a bad idea to run epistane along with test as this is my first injectable.
 
Gw44 said:
I'd rather not get all puffy and ****. Haha. Not scared of the pain. Just didn't know if it would be a bad idea to run epistane along with test as this is my first injectable.
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Take your AI and you won't get puffy.

Epi stacks well with test. I kickstarted my first injectable cycle (500mg of test/week) with 40-50mg/day of Epistane for 6 weeks. It was great.

If you don't have that Epi on your hand already, look into Olympus Labs EP15TANE. One bottle has 120x15mg capsules so it's enough for 6 weeks at 30/45/45/45/45/45.
 
Gw44 said:
I'd rather not get all puffy and ****. Haha. Not scared of the pain. Just didn't know if it would be a bad idea to run epistane along with test as this is my first injectable.
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Nah you'll be fine with a kicker. Prop won't puff you up as bad as enan or cyp. Epi will help keep the dry look to am extent as well. I'd follow csa all day. Dudes not going to mislead. 50mg ed prop is perfect. Just make sure you rotate inject sites.
 
EOD injections with Prop are fine as well but if you feel that you're getting sides from hormone fluctuation, switch to ED injections.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Take your AI and you won't get puffy. Epi stacks well with test. I kickstarted my first injectable cycle (500mg of test/week) with 40-50mg/day of Epistane for 6 weeks. It was great. If you don't have that Epi on your hand already, look into Olympus Labs EP15TANE. One bottle has 120x15mg capsules so it's enough for 6 weeks at 30/45/45/45/45/45.
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Have you ever used test? I've run 2.5mg a day of legit letro and still held water. It's more than just an AI to keep bloat down esp on long esters. Stop pushing Olympus labs it's quite annoying seeing some doushey rep push products when no ones asking. OP said he's in his second week of epi I'm sure he has it on hand already.
 
superbeast668 said:
Have you ever used test? I've run 2.5mg a day of legit letro and still held water. It's more than just an AI to keep bloat down esp on long esters. Stop pushing Olympus labs it's quite annoying seeing some doushey rep push products when no ones asking. OP said he's in his second week of epi I'm sure he has it on hand already.
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Yes, I'm on test prop right now (200mg/week stacked with 10mg of DMZ, 10m of M-Sten and 45mg of Triumphalis per day - I'm prepping for powerlifting meet). I've been on test since September. I've used several different esters and various doses between 200 and 1000mg/week... So yeah, I know what I'm talking about. How someone reacts to estrogen is very individual - I didn't even need to use an AI when I was on 500mg/week until I threw in 90mg/day of M1,4ADD. And I never bloat.

Sorry, I missed the post where he said that he is already on Epi.
 
I do indeed have it on hand. So six weeks on epi and on the test prop?? EOD injections for 10 weeks or?
 
Could I start the 8 weeks after my 6 on epi? And do I need to take AI on cycle? I am gyno prone. Had it since I was a kid. Only in one nipple doe! Lmao.
 
Gw44 said:
Could I start the 8 weeks after my 6 on epi? And do I need to take AI on cycle? I am gyno prone. Had it since I was a kid. Only in one nipple doe! Lmao.
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Yes you could but I'd recommend to start is as soon as you can. It'll help to combat lethargy and libido loss that may happen with Epi.

No one knows whether you need to run an AI on cycle but if you're gyno prone, I'd recommend it. Aromasin is my go-to AI - it won't kill your lipids like other AI's will. Out of OTC products transdermal formestane is the best IMO - I've used it on cycle and it actually helped to get rid off my pubertal gyno.
 
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So would you recommend formestane or dex??
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I'd recommend Aromasin (not Arimidex) if you can get legit one. If you can't, then go with formestane or Arimidex.

The guy above (the one who doesn't like me) said that he used Letro but most people wouldn't recommend it. It's better used if you've already developed a bad case of gyno. There are big chances that it'd kill your joints, lipids and sex drive.
 
Also, 50mg EOD?? Just making sure I got everything right. Don't mean to ask so much questions guys.
 
Gw44 said:
Also, 50mg EOD?? Just making sure I got everything right. Don't mean to ask so much questions guys.
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No! If you do ED injection, take 50mg ED... But if you're doing EOD injections, start with 100mg EOD. Weekly amount will be 350mg either way. You can up the dose at some point if you feel like it.
 
Alright, last question. Is their a huge difference in test e and test p rather than twice a week injection?
 
Gw44 said:
Alright, last question. Is their a huge difference in test e and test p rather than twice a week injection?
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From my experience, there isn't. Some people say that E makes you bloat more but I never noticed any difference.

Test E should be run for 12 weeks at minimum IMO but 8-10 weeks with Prop is fine.

Mg/mg Prop is stronger because propionate ester doesn't weight as much as enanthate ester.
 
The only thing that bothers me is the injection frequency. Haha. A little scared of the pain. Not gonna lie. I've got tattoos and ****, but this is a whole other level.
 
Gw44 said:
The only thing that bothers me is the injection frequency. Haha. A little scared of the pain. Not gonna lie. I've got tattoos and ****, but this is a whole other level.
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After first few injections the PIP may be pretty bad but you'll get used to it. I don't get any kind of pain from test blend (450mg/ml), test prop (100mg/ml) or tren A (100mg/ml) anymore.

If you're scared of injection frequency, you could as well just use test E. It's much smoother in terms of PIP too.
 
Gw44 said:
How would I run test e?? Pct would be nolva and clomid along with an ai?
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My recommendation is 12 weeks at 500mg/week (250mg twice per week) but let's hear what other guys want to say. This is very common cycle though.

Start PCT 2 weeks after last injection. Run either Nolva at 20/20/20/10/10/10 or Clomid at 50/50/50/25/25/25 - hell, you could even take both if you want. Some people get away with 4 weeks of PCT but I personally prefer 6 weeks after longer cycles.

AI and natural test boosters can and will be helpful too.
 
A lot of good advice in here already.

If it's your first cycle I'd just run 250 a week. You'll see great gains with that. The need for an AI is very individual. I'd venture to say at 250/week you wouldn t even need one.

Either way 250 or 500 a week is fine but I'd start with E or C over prop your first go around.
 
This..^^
Just curious.... How old is the OP??????
Nobody seem to care?
I think that would have an impact on how much test he needs/week!!!!!!
No?
 
I have grown a preference to clomid and nolva. I feel like they have great synergy and recovery is far faster than one or the other. I tried just nolva, just clomid and both.

I'll typically run 50mg clo for the first two weeks then 2 weeks at 25. Nolva I'll keep at for 4 weeks then depending how I feel I'll go down to 10, stay at 20 or stop all together.

In the anabolic bible and llewellyn's books they lay out pct with both and quite frankly I think it's for a reason.
 
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