Incredible story - autism cured by homeopathy

[gdbear65]

Homeopathy is a very effective means of treating illness and is well recognized as very viable alternative to conventional/allopathic/western/palliative medicine. In most cases it is curative, even for chronic illness, meaning that unlike conventional medicine you don't take it forever and it is used to treat many conditions for which western medicine has no answers.

BTW this boy's autism was attributed to a vaccination - most likely TB.

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[Tiberius]

I smell something ... it smells like .... like .... like bull****.

No offense.

 

[gdbear65]

I smell something ... it smells like .... like .... like bull****.

why? what do you know about homeopathy? or autism?

no offense

 

[CRUNCH]

Honestly, it does have a "too good to be true" vibe to it? It does kind of read like an add (testomonial) you'd see for a product. If not, then that is pretty cool, and I'd hope this info gets out more.

 

[gdbear65]

Honestly, it does have a "too good to be true" vibe to it? It does kind of read like an add (testomonial) you'd see for a product. If not, then that is pretty cool, and I'd hope this info gets out more.

I'm going to find out. My wife has bad asthma and conventional treatment isn't helping much, so we're going to see a homeopath.

 

[CRUNCH]

I've also got asthma that I use an inhaler for several times per day. If your wife gets some good relief there, definitely let me know!

 

[Tiberius]

why? what do you know about homeopathy? or autism?

no offense

Because there are no clinical trials for homeopathy. Just anecdotes. Anecdotes aren't data. No controlled setting means nothing gets proven. Yet somehow people trust it more than pharmaceuticals, surgical techniques, and other medical procedures and compounds that require rigorous clinical testing under controlled environments to prove safety and efficacy.


Homeopathy = snake oil.


****, tons of people claim prayer cured their cancer; doesn't make it true. Just means there was a nifty coincidence.

 

[CRUNCH]

I don't trust doctors, big pharma, or the FDA much at all! A lot of them are in it for the money first, then the helping people part second.

I've learned way too much about the FDA lately to ever trust anything they say again.

 

[joecski]

BTW this boy's autism was attributed to a vaccination - most likely TB.

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I am in special education and have worked with many families and children with Autism. it was a prevailing theory years ago that vaccinations contributed to autism, although it was only thought that because of the proximity in the onset of symptoms coinciding with the age the shots are given. It was proven pretty conclusively about 5 years ago that the shots do not cause nor trigger autism. I'll look for the studies, there is one from the US and one from Britain.

Recent work dome by the scientists at CAN, Cure Autism Now, have detected a gene which may be responsible for Autism. This makes anecdotal sense to me, since most people with autism are male and it runs in families. I worked with one family that had three boys all with a form of Autism.

So, from everything I've seen, read, and experienced, the vaccinations are NOT to blame for Autism. Many parents want to jump to this conclusion so they have someone to put the blame on for their child's condition. Autism can be a heartbreaking disease for a family where a parent feels absolutely powerless to communicate with their child, most children don't like to be touched, don't talk, and won't even make eye contact. I don't have time to look up the studies right now, and don't know where they are. I am sure a quick trip to google or yahoo would turn them up.

BTW, I am not discrediting homeopathy as a whole, just in this incident it seems there whole story is predicated on a lie. So, there goes the credibility of the story for me.

 

[CRUNCH]

I guess I'd be just slightly (just slightly) worried about the studies that disporved the vaccination theory. If they did do a study that found the vaccination was the cause, they'd never let the public know as the lawsuites would be extremely overwhelming!

 

[joecski]

I guess I'd be just slightly (just slightly) worried about the studies that disporved the vaccination theory. If they did do a study that found the vaccination was the cause, they'd never let the public know as the lawsuites would be extremely overwhelming!

You can't even know how many parents I've talked to who feel the exact same way. I went looking for the studies, they are harder to find than I thought. The Cure Autism Now website has the most recent data, and they are self-funded through fund-raisers like walks and concerts. Here's a link if you want to check them out:
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There research group, I think it's called AGRE, is the one who found the genetic link with Autism.

A ton of families pursue homeopathic type of remedies for their children, the most popular being a wheat free/gluten free diet. I have also seen dairy free diets and sugar free diets. I have never seen any improvements in these children, but I only worked with them on a yearlong basis, and maybe that's not long enough to see a difference. The best treatment is early intervention with behavioral training and social development. I've known several children who went from being in the autistic shell to becoming verbal and responsive with proper treatment.

 

[CRUNCH]

Scary thing it is. I've only known one person who's son was autistic. He was a client and told me a lot about his son and autism in general. Would be really cool if they could find something solid to help them. It's got to be very tough on parents.

 

[joecski]

Scary thing it is. I've only known one person who's son was autistic. He was a client and told me a lot about his son and autism in general. Would be really cool if they could find something solid to help them. It's got to be very tough on parents.

It's awful on the family as whole. Siblings who don't have autism have issues because the parents are basically tending to the needs of their autistic child 24/7, so they feel abandoned. I've worked in several homes where the father just leaves, and the mother has to raise the child/children alone. It is so very sad. And a lot of times as the boys with Autism grow, the parents become physically unable to provide them with the services they need, and after raising these kids for 13 years, they have to put them in homes. It just sucks all around.

 

[CRUNCH]

It's probably one of the 100's of reasons I don't and have never wanted kids. Sounds callous, but it's the truth.

I just don't know if I'd be strong enough to deal with any of the things that could go wrong.

 

[bioman]

My heart goes out to families dealing with autism. Having just had a baby 7 months ago, we are still kinda holding our breath..even though she appears healthy, happy and normal. You never know what can crop up as they get older and it would be heartbreaking in so many ways to watch and deal with a permanent disorder like this.

I'm more of a fan of naturopathy and orthomolecular treatments, but I can't blame anyone for trying anything that sounds promising.

 

[fitnecise]

I guess I'd be just slightly (just slightly) worried about the studies that disporved the vaccination theory. If they did do a study that found the vaccination was the cause, they'd never let the public know as the lawsuites would be extremely overwhelming!

Yes they do in some cases, but vaccinations are for the greater good - they are obviously very effective and there are bad reactions to them which result in autism, paralysis, death, etc but they are the best we have available. It is either that or dramatically shorter lifespans/more deaths ... Anyway, most vaccinations are mandatory so diseases don't propagate, you really don't have a choice if you live in the US.

However, there are no "take this for that" remedies for chronic ailments in homeopathy. That's because every person's experience of their disease is unique - especially when you take into account all symptoms - emotional, mental and physical. As a result, ten different autistic patients will most likely end up getting ten different remedies - the ones that best match their overall pattern of symptoms. In fact, each of the approximately 2000 remedies in the homeopathic medicine chest is associated with its own unique physical/mental/emotional pattern - and it's the job of the homeopath to find the one that best matches each patient.

I would guess that in general, most people with the same disease respond similar to a drug, no? There are usually common pathologies to a disease - that is how it can be categorized as one.

Also, you can't rule out that it was simply a coincidence or placebo- yes placebo. Perhaps the child fully believed in the cure, or even his parents intention of finding an answer - I think the power of thought is greatly underestimated on the self and others. Just look at all the supportive data on meditation, for instance.

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[CRUNCH]

Yes they do in some cases, but vaccinations are for the greater good - they are obviously very effective and there are bad reactions to them which result in autism, paralysis, death, etc but they are the best we have available. It is either that or dramatically shorter lifespans/more deaths ... Anyway, most vaccinations are mandatory so diseases don't propagate, you really don't have a choice if you live in the US.

You don't really think they'd continue with vaccinations as is if they did find out and told everybody that it does cause autism?? Whether it's for the "greater good" or not. There's enough autism everyday to make it not worth the greater good anymore. Maybe one or two cases per year, but not the numbers they see now.

There's no way people would bring their kids in, laws or no laws. The gov wouldn't be able to fight thousands of people not wanting their child immunized and becoming autistic.

 

[joecski]

Yes they do in some cases, but vaccinations are for the greater good - they are obviously very effective and there are bad reactions to them which result in autism, paralysis, death, etc but they are the best we have available. It is either that or dramatically shorter lifespans/more deaths ... Anyway, most vaccinations are mandatory so diseases don't propagate, you really don't have a choice if you live in the US.



I would guess that in general, most people with the same disease respond similar to a drug, no? There are usually common pathologies to a disease - that is how it can be categorized as one.

Also, you can't rule out that it was simply a coincidence or placebo- yes placebo. Perhaps the child fully believed in the cure, or even his parents intention of finding an answer - I think the power of thought is greatly underestimated on the self and others. Just look at all the supportive data on meditation, for instance.

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Autistic children don't believe in a cure, they don't believe in anything, that's part of the disease. The most severely disabled could be said to live in this world but not of it. You clearly have no understanding of the disease.

Immunizations have been happening on a large scale in this country for decades, yet the occurrence of Autism is rapidly expanding. The figures are now that 1 in 150 children will have some form of autism, from the most mild to most severe. It wasn't too many years ago, maybe ten, that the figure was 1 in 1000. Almost no children were diagnosed autistic just 50 years ago. The fact that the disease is better diagnosed now is one explanation for the growth of autistic cases, but there has got to be more. That is why CAN is investigating environmental causes along with genetic causes, but immunizations are not the cause.

Also, Autism is not one disease, it is more of a spectrum for many symptoms which all have commonalities. I have worked with 20 year old men with autism that could not feed themselves or use a toilet, much less talk, and I have worked with 3 year old boys with Aspergers disease, a form of autism, who could read! He refused to let anyone, even his mother, touch him. She had a nasty time bathing and changing him, but he would sit for hours and listen to you read to him, and then he would take a book and read it back. To see a boy that small reading aloud was amazing.
So, every case of autism is unique, although they all share similarities.

 

[fitnecise]

You don't really think they'd continue with vaccinations as is if they did find out and told everybody that it does cause autism?? Whether it's for the "greater good" or not. There's enough autism everyday to make it not worth the greater good anymore. Maybe one or two cases per year, but not the numbers they see now.

There's no way people would bring their kids in, laws or no laws. The gov wouldn't be able to fight thousands of people not wanting their child immunized and becoming autistic.

Look hard enough the link is strong (IMO). (not claiming that all cases are directly from vaccination)

Would you risk:
1) a small increased chance of autism or other disease or
2) a greatly increased chance of one of the many illnesses vaccinations prevent and a greatly increased chance of an early death (much higher than vaccination risk, which isn't even known)

Easy choice.


Why doesn't multiquote work?

 

[fitnecise]

Autistic children don't believe in a cure, they don't believe in anything, that's part of the disease. The most severely disabled could be said to live in this world but not of it. You clearly have no understanding of the disease.

Immunizations have been happening on a large scale in this country for decades, yet the occurrence of Autism is rapidly expanding. The figures are now that 1 in 150 children will have some form of autism, from the most mild to most severe. It wasn't too many years ago, maybe ten, that the figure was 1 in 1000. Almost no children were diagnosed autistic just 50 years ago. The fact that the disease is better diagnosed now is one explanation for the growth of autistic cases, but there has got to be more. That is why CAN is investigating environmental causes along with genetic causes, but immunizations are not the cause.

Also, Autism is not one disease, it is more of a spectrum for many symptoms which all have commonalities. I have worked with 20 year old men with autism that could not feed themselves or use a toilet, much less talk, and I have worked with 3 year old boys with Aspergers disease, a form of autism, who could read! He refused to let anyone, even his mother, touch him. She had a nasty time bathing and changing him, but he would sit for hours and listen to you read to him, and then he would take a book and read it back. To see a boy that small reading aloud was amazing.
So, every case of autism is unique, although they all share similarities.

How do you know what they perceive? Are there not some autistics who are abnormally intelligent? Yes I admit I haven't studied it much yet but they still have cognitive capacity.

You clearly underestimate the role of the immune system. The enteric immunity develops until around age 2. Simply not breastfeeding or overexposure to pathogens in this time can permanently change it for life - tis the likely explanation for the increase in autoimmune diseases ... now do a search for autism and autoimmunity and I bet you will find a link.

 

[gdbear65]

BTW, I am not discrediting homeopathy as a whole, just in this incident it seems there whole story is predicated on a lie. So, there goes the credibility of the story for me.

I appreciate that you're not throwing the baby out with the bath water. Is it possible that vaccinations exacerbate the underlying symptoms of autism or have they altogether ruled out vaccines? What do you make of the fact that this boy suffered a setback after receiving a TB test? The story is not predicated on a lie per se - the woman suspects vaccination as the cause, but obviously this remains uproven, which is why I wrote that it was attributed to a vaccine.

 

[joecski]

How do you know what they perceive? Are there not some autistics who are abnormally intelligent? Yes I admit I haven't studied it much yet but they still have cognitive capacity.

You clearly underestimate the role of the immune system. The enteric immunity develops until around age 2. Simply not breastfeeding or overexposure to pathogens in this time can permanently change it for life - tis the likely explanation for the increase in autoimmune diseases ... now do a search for autism and autoimmunity and I bet you will find a link.

Autism is a spectrum of disorders, with people having IQ's ranging from severely retarded to genius. I've heard it theorized that Einstein and Newton were probably autistic, based on their behavioral patterns and social skills. However, there are children who don't know you are in the room, or at least will not respond to your presence. I don't know what they perceive, but they surely aren't believing in any cure, because they can not communicate with anyone. How can you believe in something when you don't know it is supposed to happen???

As for gov't enforcing vaccinations when they're not safe, I think that is bogus as well. Rates of Autism have soared in recent years, as I said earlier, 1 in every 150 children will have some form of autism. If it were from vaccinations, the case would have been made by now. I know people who were not vaccinated,and they didn't get the mumps, and I would bet the rate wasn't 1 in 150 anyway.
Research is being done to see what the environmental links may be that may cause autism. Autoimmune response MAY be a factor, and it may not. I think genetics have more to do with it than anything, time will tell. Then again, I think cancer has a genetic angle too, as I know people who should have had lung cancer and lived forever and others that died when they were 45 whose parents died early too.

 

[gdbear65]

Anyway, most vaccinations are mandatory so diseases don't propagate, you really don't have a choice if you live in the US.

Vaccinations aren't mandatory. And when you look at the history of certain diseases (like smallpox) they were already on the decline when a global vaccinations program was initiated by the World Health Organization. For what it's worth here is a site you may want to visit: Invalid Link Removed

 

[joecski]

Vaccinations aren't mandatory. And when you look at the history of certain diseases (like smallpox) they were already on the decline when a global vaccinations program was initiated by the World Health Organization. For what it's worth here is a site you may want to visit: Invalid Link Removed

Every public school I've ever worked in required children to be vaccinated. Granted, that is only in two states, but I bet it is the same everywhere. I needed to be re-vaccinated, even though I have a vaccination mark, before I would be certified to teach. I didn't have access to my health records and blood tests couldn't positively prove I had been vaccinated against all the diseases they mandate now. So, it may not be mandatory, but it is enforced.

 

[Tiberius]

Vaccinations aren't mandatory. And when you look at the history of certain diseases (like smallpox) they were already on the decline when a global vaccinations program was initiated by the World Health Organization. For what it's worth here is a site you may want to visit: Invalid Link Removed

Typical black helicopter ****.

 

[fitnecise]

Autism is a spectrum of disorders, with people having IQ's ranging from severely retarded to genius. I've heard it theorized that Einstein and Newton were probably autistic, based on their behavioral patterns and social skills. However, there are children who don't know you are in the room, or at least will not respond to your presence. I don't know what they perceive, but they surely aren't believing in any cure, because they can not communicate with anyone. How can you believe in something when you don't know it is supposed to happen???

Well maybe they do understand but just can't/don't communicate that they understand. They (most) are obviously not born with the innate need to connect with other humans.

As for gov't enforcing vaccinations when they're not safe, I think that is bogus as well. Rates of Autism have soared in recent years, as I said earlier, 1 in every 150 children will have some form of autism. If it were from vaccinations, the case would have been made by now. I know people who were not vaccinated,and they didn't get the mumps, and I would bet the rate wasn't 1 in 150 anyway.
Research is being done to see what the environmental links may be that may cause autism. Autoimmune response MAY be a factor, and it may not. I think genetics have more to do with it than anything, time will tell. Then again, I think cancer has a genetic angle too, as I know people who should have had lung cancer and lived forever and others that died when they were 45 whose parents died early too.

Well I still think it is one of those things that are not let into journals because it is too conflictive with the current opinion. It is probably a combination of the infinite amount of new toxins from modernizations that we keep learning are not good for us. Many of them have potential to fvck with immunity, also (asthma...).

I have trouble believing a genetic factor, because most are not considered productive in a survival sense (not at all saying they are worthless as humans) - but natural selection increasing the incidence is a little confusing. Could be the result of each generation becoming increasingly separated with humans in general, maybe forcing gene expressions to not require human communication so much, but this still is kinda out there.

Do you know data from worldwide studies on autism incidence?

 

[gdbear65]

Well I still think it is one of those things that are not let into journals because it is too conflictive with the current opinion. It is probably a combination of the infinite amount of new toxins from modernizations that we keep learning are not good for us. Many of them have potential to fvck with immunity, also (asthma...).

According to the Global Vaccine Institute the gov't keeps a Invalid Link Removed, which doesn't surprise me.

Our environment is toxic thanks to unchecked industrial and agricultural pollution. Babies are born with high levels of toxins in their systems.
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[Jumper]

Life is toxic. It will kill you eventually.

On the subject of homeopathic "medicine", my personal opinion is that if it seems to help in a specific case, then great. If the use of it, or the desire to use it interfers with other, more scientifically proven remedies, then that is problematic. In other words if a patient refuses to seek or accept traditional medical treatment in the belief that a homeopathic approach is all that is necessary, the patient is misguided.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Vaccines are mandatory.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Wow that site is full of all kinds of **** and they'll sell it to you for a great price!!!!

 

[gdbear65]

Because there are no clinical trials for homeopathy. Just anecdotes. Anecdotes aren't data. No controlled setting means nothing gets proven. Yet somehow people trust it more than pharmaceuticals, surgical techniques, and other medical procedures and compounds that require rigorous clinical testing under controlled environments to prove safety and efficacy.


Homeopathy = snake oil.


****, tons of people claim prayer cured their cancer; doesn't make it true. Just means there was a nifty coincidence.

Homeopathy has been proven to be effective in many instances where allopathic medicine has not or only minimally so, as in the treatment of the flu during the 1918 influenza epidemic. Homeopathy was very effective treatment, whereas allopathic medicine was hardly effective at all. Homeopathy cannot be explained scientifically, but it works and there is ample evidence to support this argument. Invalid Link Removed

What is Homeopathy?

Definition - Homeopathy is a therapeutic system of medicine that is based on the principle of similars- like cures like - which means that a substance that can cause certain symptoms in a healthy person can cure similar symptoms in an unhealthy person. Homeopathy aims to aid and stimulate the body's own defense and immune processes. Homeopathic medicines are derived from a variety of plants, animal materials and minerals. These medicines are prescribed to fit each individual's needs, given in much smaller and less toxic doses than traditional medications, and are used for both prevention and treatment. Established 200 years ago by German physician Samuel Hahneman, and is recognized by the World Health Organization as the second largest therapeutic system in the world.

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Homeopathy is a system of medicine, which was discovered and developed by a German allopathic physician, Dr. Samuel Hahnemann, between 1792 and 1842.

The then prevalent system of medicine was not at all scientific (in its modern sense). The knowledge of anatomy, physiology, pathology etc. was not advanced enough. Most of these sciences were still in their infancy in the 18th century. Most of the disease causing organisms and conditions were still unknown to the medical fraternity. So the treatment for most diseases was eclectic. Everyone treated their patients according to their own whims and fancies. Methods like bloodletting, leeching, purging, giving crude doses of mercury etc. were the common treatment for most disorders.

Dr. Hahnemann was very dissatisfied with the limited knowledge of human organism, disease process and the effects of medicines being used. So, he left his medical career and took up translation work to support his family.

While translating Dr. Cullen's book of medicine (Dr. Cullen was a professor of medicine in university), Dr. Hahnemann came across a line in which Dr. Cullen attributed the curative action of Cinchona bark (from which quinine is prepared) in malarial fever to the fact that it was bitter. Dr. Hahnemann was not satisfied with this explanation as there were so many bitter substances around but none other showed any curative action in malarial fever.

To find the truth, he decided to investigate the action of Cinchona bark extract by taking the medicine himself. After taking the medicine for 2 days, he found that symptoms similar to malaria developed in him. He was amazed with this observation. He repeated the experiment on many friends and family members and found the same results. So from this observation he deduced that Cinchona bark is able to cure malaria because when taken by a healthy human being, it can create malaria like symptoms.

Then he started working on this concept further to find if this a specific observation or a general truth applicable to all drugs. He tested medicines with known therapeutic values on his friends and family and discovered that this is a general law which decided the curative action of all medicines. He called it 'Similia Similbus Curantur' or 'Like Cures Like'.

Simply stated, it means that a medicine can cure those symptoms in a diseased person, which, it can produce in healthy individuals. It has been more than two centuries since he discovered this law. Since then it has been tested millions of times and has stood the test of time.

Today there are more than 400 Homeopathy Medical Colleges in the world, at least 500,000 practitioners, and millions of patients using Homeopathy. Homeopathic medicines are available in most countries and in some countries like India, Pakistan, and Norway, the legal status of Homeopathy is already at par with allopathy.

After discovering that one basic principle in 1792, Hahnemann established Homeopathy as a full system of medicine in the next 50 years. Homeopathy became very popular in the 19th century. It went through a phase of decline in 20th century when the sciences considered auxiliary to allopathic medicine (anatomy, physiology, pathology, surgery) became more advanced; modern drugs like antibiotics and painkillers came into existence; and insurance companies took hold of the medical practice. But now, as apparent limitations of these modern wonder (!) drugs are being realized and more work is being done on scientific and clinical research in Homeopathy, this science is gradually coming back to the center-stage!

 

[Tiberius]

Homeopathy has been proven to be effective in many instances where allopathic medicine has not or only minimally so, as in the treatment of the flu during the 1918 influenza epidemic. Homeopathy was very effective treatment, whereas allopathic medicine was hardly effective at all. Homeopathy cannot be explained scientifically, but it works and there is ample evidence to support this argument. Invalid Link Removed

What is Homeopathy?

Definition - Homeopathy is a therapeutic system of medicine that is based on the principle of similars- like cures like - which means that a substance that can cause certain symptoms in a healthy person can cure similar symptoms in an unhealthy person. Homeopathy aims to aid and stimulate the body's own defense and immune processes. Homeopathic medicines are derived from a variety of plants, animal materials and minerals. These medicines are prescribed to fit each individual's needs, given in much smaller and less toxic doses than traditional medications, and are used for both prevention and treatment. Established 200 years ago by German physician Samuel Hahneman, and is recognized by the World Health Organization as the second largest therapeutic system in the world.

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Homeopathy is a system of medicine, which was discovered and developed by a German allopathic physician, Dr. Samuel Hahnemann, between 1792 and 1842.

The then prevalent system of medicine was not at all scientific (in its modern sense). The knowledge of anatomy, physiology, pathology etc. was not advanced enough. Most of these sciences were still in their infancy in the 18th century. Most of the disease causing organisms and conditions were still unknown to the medical fraternity. So the treatment for most diseases was eclectic. Everyone treated their patients according to their own whims and fancies. Methods like bloodletting, leeching, purging, giving crude doses of mercury etc. were the common treatment for most disorders.

Dr. Hahnemann was very dissatisfied with the limited knowledge of human organism, disease process and the effects of medicines being used. So, he left his medical career and took up translation work to support his family.

While translating Dr. Cullen's book of medicine (Dr. Cullen was a professor of medicine in university), Dr. Hahnemann came across a line in which Dr. Cullen attributed the curative action of Cinchona bark (from which quinine is prepared) in malarial fever to the fact that it was bitter. Dr. Hahnemann was not satisfied with this explanation as there were so many bitter substances around but none other showed any curative action in malarial fever.

To find the truth, he decided to investigate the action of Cinchona bark extract by taking the medicine himself. After taking the medicine for 2 days, he found that symptoms similar to malaria developed in him. He was amazed with this observation. He repeated the experiment on many friends and family members and found the same results. So from this observation he deduced that Cinchona bark is able to cure malaria because when taken by a healthy human being, it can create malaria like symptoms.

Then he started working on this concept further to find if this a specific observation or a general truth applicable to all drugs. He tested medicines with known therapeutic values on his friends and family and discovered that this is a general law which decided the curative action of all medicines. He called it 'Similia Similbus Curantur' or 'Like Cures Like'.

Simply stated, it means that a medicine can cure those symptoms in a diseased person, which, it can produce in healthy individuals. It has been more than two centuries since he discovered this law. Since then it has been tested millions of times and has stood the test of time.

Today there are more than 400 Homeopathy Medical Colleges in the world, at least 500,000 practitioners, and millions of patients using Homeopathy. Homeopathic medicines are available in most countries and in some countries like India, Pakistan, and Norway, the legal status of Homeopathy is already at par with allopathy.

After discovering that one basic principle in 1792, Hahnemann established Homeopathy as a full system of medicine in the next 50 years. Homeopathy became very popular in the 19th century. It went through a phase of decline in 20th century when the sciences considered auxiliary to allopathic medicine (anatomy, physiology, pathology, surgery) became more advanced; modern drugs like antibiotics and painkillers came into existence; and insurance companies took hold of the medical practice. But now, as apparent limitations of these modern wonder (!) drugs are being realized and more work is being done on scientific and clinical research in Homeopathy, this science is gradually coming back to the center-stage!

Of course you're right, Tom Cruise! Pharma is bad! Clinical trials don't tell us anything at all! Vitamins and magic snake oil are proven effective at treating cancer and autism because my mom's friend bob's uncle's cousin's college buddy said he once knew someone who was cured of their autism by eating some kind of special dirt!

 

[fitnecise]

****, tons of people claim prayer cured their cancer; doesn't make it true. Just means there was a nifty coincidence.

Actually there is a lot of good data on prayer, not to be confused with a higher power, rather thought intentions again...

Prayer/meditation can be essentially the same thing, I really wish prayer wasn't so conjoined with religion, praying can be done by atheists the same.

 

[fitnecise]

Can't say i've really looked for any homeopathic science but the body is obviously governed by multiple layers of homeostatic mechanisms and I don't see how pushing something further away from normal would help, unless it finally pushed it to a point where a stronger push back occurs...

 

[gdbear65]

Of course you're right, Tom Cruise! Pharma is bad! Clinical trials don't tell us anything at all! Vitamins and magic snake oil are proven effective at treating cancer and autism because my mom's friend bob's uncle's cousin's college buddy said he once knew someone who was cured of their autism by eating some kind of special dirt!

I have no answer for a closed mind such as yours. It's sad that there's so many people like you.

 

[jminis]

Homeopathy can be a great thing but like traditional medical doctors, it all comes down to finding the right Doc. I have access to a homeopathy doctor who's incredible. Anything I"ve ever went to him for he has taken care of.

Example: I used to have nose bleeds all the time when I was younger. My doc would just burn out blood vessels in my nose and it would work for a few weeks but it wasn't a permanent solution as they always came back. Anyway my Aunt finally took me to see her Homeopathic doctor, he's been treating out family for years. I got there told him what the problem was and he said "Oh give me a sec" he came back with some sublingual tabs and said take these for 2 weeks and you'll be good. I was like is that it?, he said "yes thats it"

Bottom line is I took those tabs and didn't have a nose bleed again (not counting time I was hit in the nose with a ball or fist, lol).

You can call bull$hit but proof is in the pudding. Like any Doc there are good ones and ones and bad ones.

 

[fitnecise]

What was in the tabs?

 

[kruz]

What was in the tabs?

I can probably tell you what was in the tabs if homeopathy isn't confused with other things. What i mean is in the art of homeopathy the toxic substance to be used is added to a solution at around 1 gram per litre. then some of this solution is added to more water at around 1:10. this step is then repeated over and over again. The amount of times this is repeated gives the strength of the finished product expressed in a number followed by a "c". So if it has been diluted 8 times it would be at 8c strength.
My memory is a little rusty on this subject so this may not be 100% correct but this next point is spot on and very important.
After a number of dilutions the chance of actually finding one molecule of the substance you are supposed to be taking is like a billion to one! The equivelent dilution is like putting a spoonfull of liquid in the earths oceans and expecting to find some when it has been mixed in!

So possibley the only thing in the tabs was sugar and water.

 

[kruz]

just a copy and paste but says what i was trying to say a whole lot better!

At Best, the "Remedies" Are Placebos
Homeopathic products are made from minerals, botanical substances, and several other sources. If the original substance is soluble, one part is diluted with either nine or ninety-nine parts of distilled water and/or alcohol and shaken vigorously (succussed); if insoluble, it is finely ground and pulverized in similar proportions with powdered lactose (milk sugar). One part of the diluted medicine is then further diluted, and the process is repeated until the desired concentration is reached. Dilutions of 1 to 10 are designated by the Roman numeral X (1X = 1/10, 3X = 1/1,000, 6X = 1/1,000,000). Similarly, dilutions of 1 to 100 are designated by the Roman numeral C (1C = 1/100, 3C = 1/1,000,000, and so on). Most remedies today range from 6X to 30X, but products of 30C or more are marketed.

A 30X dilution means that the original substance has been diluted 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times. Assuming that a cubic centimeter of water contains 15 drops, this number is greater than the number of drops of water that would fill a container more than 50 times the size of the Earth. Imagine placing a drop of red dye into such a container so that it disperses evenly. Homeopathy's "law of infinitesimals" is the equivalent of saying that any drop of water subsequently removed from that container will possess an essence of redness. Robert L. Park, Ph.D., a prominent physicist who is executive director of The American Physical Society, has noted that since the least amount of a substance in a solution is one molecule, a 30C solution would have to have at least one molecule of the original substance dissolved in a minimum of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of water. This would require a container more than 30,000,000,000 times the size of the Earth.

Oscillococcinum, a 200C product "for the relief of colds and flu-like symptoms," involves "dilutions" that are even more far-fetched. Its "active ingredient" is prepared by incubating small amounts of a freshly killed duck's liver and heart for 40 days. The resultant solution is then filtered, freeze-dried, rehydrated, repeatedly diluted, and impregnated into sugar granules. If a single molecule of the duck's heart or liver were to survive the dilution, its concentration would be 1 in 100200. This huge number, which has 400 zeroes, is vastly greater than the estimated number of molecules in the universe (about one googol, which is a 1 followed by 100 zeroes). In its February 17, 1997, issue, U.S. News & World Report noted that only one duck per year is needed to manufacture the product, which had total sales of $20 million in 1996. The magazine dubbed that unlucky bird "the $20-million duck."

Actually, the laws of chemistry state that there is a limit to the dilution that can be made without losing the original substance altogether. This limit, which is related to Avogadro's number, corresponds to homeopathic potencies of 12C or 24X (1 part in 1024). Hahnemann himself realized that there is virtually no chance that even one molecule of original substance would remain after extreme dilutions. But he believed that the vigorous shaking or pulverizing with each step of dilution leaves behind a "spirit-like" essence—"no longer perceptible to the senses"—which cures by reviving the body's "vital force." Modern proponents assert that even when the last molecule is gone, a "memory" of the substance is retained. This notion is unsubstantiated. Moreover, if it were true, every substance encountered by a molecule of water might imprint an "essence" that could exert powerful (and unpredictable) medicinal effects when ingested by a person.

Many proponents claim that homeopathic products resemble vaccines because both provide a small stimulus that triggers an immune response. This comparison is not valid. The amounts of active ingredients in vaccines are much greater and can be measured. Moreover, immunizations produce antibodies whose concentration in the blood can be measured, but high-dilution homeopathic products produce no measurable response. In addition, vaccines are used preventively, not for curing symptoms.

 

[alexy89]

So close minded!