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I'm on Phosphatidic acid Ya'll

anabolix said:
I would just ask someone next time you're there. Asking for directions does not make you less of a man. lol jk
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Oh I did and the Wal-Mart employee looked at me like I was speaking Chinese when I asked where I can find the " Fearn Soy Lecithin Grandules'
 
kissdadookie said:
Also to note, makes no difference if it's GMO or non-GMO, the way and amount of processing the soy goes through to end up with the lecithin essentially makes the two types indistinguishable from each other.
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Hey man I've been bouncing in and out of this thread and i started fearn sl today. Doing 2tbs preworkout and gonna dose on off days as well. Chewing granules instead of swallowing. Looking to maintain some fullness in pct. Does this look good or should i go to 4 tbsp? Dont really wanna read through 75 pages again thanks.
 
Does all soy lecithin granule brands have about the same PA content?

Picked up the "GNC" brand soy lecithin granules and was wondering if it still is about 600mg PA per tablespoon?

It lists 1725 mg phosphatidyl choline and 250 mg of total choline per tbsp but it doesn't say how much PA.
 
Ok
So what is the optimal dosage to be taken,
in both days on, it off.

We arrived to a conclusion?
 
bb333 said:
Ok So what is the optimal dosage to be taken, in both days on, it off. We arrived to a conclusion?
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Personal preference for off days. Some say no need to dose while others do.

As for optimal dose, go with a dose you notice effects taking place. Most seem to be doing 1.2-2.4 grams of PA (2-4 tbsp SL).
 
GH247 said:
Does all soy lecithin granule brands have about the same PA content?

Picked up the "GNC" brand soy lecithin granules and was wondering if it still is about 600mg PA per tablespoon?

It lists 1725 mg phosphatidyl choline and 250 mg of total choline per tbsp but it doesn't say how much PA.
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It depends. Everything from 7 and 12/13
Fearb soy lecithin has 12.38% PA
 
bb333 said:
Ok
So what is the optimal dosage to be taken,
in both days on, it off.

We arrived to a conclusion?
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There is no optimal dosage actually, but as Kbayne said, 1.2-2.4g would be a good dosage.

Dr. Wilson said more PA would be better but its up to you to try. Try 1.2g then 2.4 and then 3.6 and then pick up one dose which worked best for you
 
Ok!
Currently I make 1200 Pa every day.

Truthfully I've seen already a good muscle fullness.

I wondered if it made sense even on days off. ..
In short, how do you usually with ARA.
 
bb333 said:
Ok!
Currently I make 1200 Pa every day.

Truthfully I've seen already a good muscle fullness.

I wondered if it made sense even on days off. ..
In short, how do you usually with ARA.
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I take PA and ArA everyday and both together
 
bb333 said:
Ok! Currently I make 1200 Pa every day. Truthfully I've seen already a good muscle fullness. I wondered if it made sense even on days off. .. In short, how do you usually with ARA.
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ArA only needs to be dosed pre-workout. If you go through the ArA threads or google ArA and skeletal muscle, you'll see why ArA should be dosed on workout days more so then off days.
 
kbayne said:
Saturation of what specifically?
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Sure i read up that hica and pa work by increasing mTOR, so wouldn't there come a point that they stop becoming effective.

What i mean is would the hica in alphamine, be negating any benefit from pa as mTOR is already increased.
 
huxley309 said:
Sure i read up that hica and pa work by increasing mTOR, so wouldn't there come a point that they stop becoming effective.

What i mean is would the hica in alphamine, be negating any benefit from pa as mTOR is already increased.
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PA and hica both work via the mtor pathway somehow but in different ways than something like leucine does so since they have different moas they can be stacked. The question in all this is whether any of it becomes redundant like if you get diminiishing returns from trying to boost up mtor but nobody knows. Like in the soccer study for hica the soccer players were on a relatively high protein diet and the hica increased protein synthesis but if they had just taken in more protein and leucine it may have had the same results since the additional leucine might have had the same effect in terms of increasing protein synthesis.
 
Quadzilla99 said:
PA and hica both work via the mtor pathway somehow but in different ways than something like leucine does so since they have different moas they can be stacked. The question in all this is whether any of it becomes redundant like if you get diminiishing returns from trying to boost up mtor but nobody knows. Like in the soccer study for hica the soccer players were on a relatively high protein diet and the hica increased protein synthesis but if they had just taken in more protein and leucine it may have had the same results since the additional leucine might have had the same effect in terms of increasing protein synthesis.
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Pretty sure the effects are additive. They do have data of PA + leucine. The two together demonstrated higher mTOR activity than either alone. Likely the same when stacking HICA with PA.
 
Anyone else having pretty absurd weight gain on this stuff? My waist, hip, lower ab measurements are either static or decreasing but I'm packing on lbs like no-one's business and have no idea where it's going
 
kdubson14 said:
Anyone else having pretty absurd weight gain on this stuff? My waist, hip, lower ab measurements are either static or decreasing but I'm packing on lbs like no-one's business and have no idea where it's going
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Same here. PA is fantastic
 
Today I'll try 3600pa prework.

Hopefully I can diarrhea :D

prework day
3600 PA
1,5 ara
2 cps Abe
2 cps amentomax
 
It went well,
no stomach pain ;)

point out a nice pump during work,
Today I trained chest, delts, biceps. ..
 
At first I loved the taste too, but now it is just eh. Mainly because I chew each tablespoon for like 5 minutes.
 
My only complaint is the fatty gunk it leaves on my teeth until I swish a bunch of water around. Otherwise, super easy and apparently effect supplement.
 
Hi all. I jumped in to the lecithin train myself. Other pre-workout supps atm include agmatine, Ep1c, hupA and alcar (and a huge mug of coffee). Going with these for a while, plannin on adding x-gels in the future.
 
I've been taking 3 table spoons of soya lecithin granules pre workout, 3 after for a couple months now. This has been one of the most effective supplements I've ever taken (I've tried lots over the years). I kind of feel bad for the companies that funded the research on PA.
 
Those of you who are adamant about avoiding soy anything could try sunflower lecithin though at a hefty price:

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A month of 3g PA daily would run about $70 with shipping which is still cheaper from the concentrated products.
 
machinehead said:
Those of you who are adamant about avoiding soy anything could try sunflower lecithin though at a hefty price:

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A month of 3g PA daily would run about $70 with shipping which is still cheaper from the concentrated products.
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I am not sure about PA from sunflower..
Example:
Egg derrived PA was not so effective as Soy derrived PA. There is a study showing that.
 
Sure. But soya and sunflower are both lumped together as vegetable oils so they are likely similar. In those plants, PA is released when the plant is being wounded. Weird, I know.

But I will give it a try and see if it works the same. NOW and Swanson also make sunflower lecithin and cheaper but at least the one above has the exact PA content on the label.
 
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