Igf1 vs igf des and more

Jasen

Jasen

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Is this one better due to it being faster absorbed. Is it more site specific? Why is thisbone preferred by some and not bybothers? Does this one give less chance of ingesting growth? Anyone knowledgeable in IGF DES?

If someone we're to inject IGF at 20-40mcg is that high enough for results and low enough not to give intestine hypertrophy? Also is this injected everyday or 3-4times a day. If I chose to inject 3-4 times a day could I get awaybwith doing only bicep and trice injections?
 
Im posting on here because it appears none of my question on igf section ever get answered.
 
I didn't see your posts in the IGF section.

IGF-1 DES has 3 aminos removed from the end of the sequence. By doing that, the IGF-1 Binding Protein will no longer bind to the DES making it more active to bing to receptors in muscle (actually more affinity with receptors and can bind to receptors damaged by lactic acid). However, DES is not active very long ~30-60 minutes, but that's enough to bind to receptors in the muscle. That is why you should inject IM right before working out (or some say during the workout).

IGF-1 LR3 has added aminos in its sequence which allows it to last 20-30 hours in your system. It doesn't have as high an affinity to muscle receptors for IGF-1 though.

There's more good information on the 2 at this site:
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Hey so both can be taken pre workout? Can I get descent results with how.many times a wk 3-4-5? Also last one can I inj only in biceps? Its my only lagging part? I can't find these answears
 
Yes, both can be taken pre-workout. Try not to use it post, it would interfere with natural MGF.

I've dosed 5x a week at 100mcg a day, so 1 vial lasts 2 weeks. You generally want to keep cycles to about 4 weeks otherwise you build up tolerance (forget the real terminology, same concept though).

You can inject only in biceps, but probably a good idea to spread it around a little so you don't build tolerance too quick. I don't know though, try it out and see. It could work just fine.

I dose 100mcg pre, 50mcg in each side. Other people like 80mcg split, the lowest I've seen is about 20mcg split. I've seen folks go up to 200mcg split, but that seems high to me.
 
So 4 wks on 5wks off then again
 
4 on, 4 off, 4 on, etc.
 
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I'd go with DES, it acts more locally so you don't have to worry about organ growth as much and it's more "anabolic" from what I've seen/read.

If you dose 50mcg bilaterally (25mcg each side) and did that 4 times a week, it'd last 5 weeks (50mcg x 4 = 200mcg/week x 5 weeks = 1mg). I don't know how long it's stable though, I like to use my stuff quickly after reconstituting especially with BAC.

The prices vary a lot, not sure entirely why. I've gotten some cheap stuff that's legit, but it's more of a crap shoot. I got some DES at **** on a good sale, but you can try other places too like ****. Some may be "under-dosed" if they're cheaper. Another place to check out is ****, they have a 25% off sale ending today, they're totally legit and backed by Need2 100% money back type of deal. I forget what their price is though.
I think you'll notice results if you do a couple 4 week cycles. I definitely think it's a worthwhile peptide. Next one I'm going to try will probably be PEG MGF and maybe Follistatin at some point.
 
have you done DES? man u are an incredible help bro !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
so u prefer also to use BA rather than AA?

dosent BA hold it for 60days? were as AA holds it for months and months?

does it need to be refrigerated from what i hear if it is 40 days or less, no just cool place, correct?
 
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Jasen said:
so u prefer also to use BA rather than AA?

dosent BA hold it for 60days? were as AA holds it for months and months?

does it need to be refrigerated from what i hear if it is 40 days or less, no just cool place, correct?
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Yes, 3mg worth. I prefer BAC, makes life easier. I don't know how long it holds, the more complex the sequence, the less it holds. Since DES is 67 aminos IIRC, it should be good for a while, I just like to use it up! LOL!

I refrigerate all peptides.
 
yeah from what i hear A.A. is painful to inject! my buddy did it and hated the pain! also i really wanna give DES a try due to it being site specific and less organ growth
 
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