if you still think we are not at war you are CRAZY (and i'm not talking about iraq)

[The Colonel 333]

I didn't know you are a military genius!

Wow! Them poor Israelis! If only they can have your intelligence. Think about it. All they have to do, is to march up into South Lebanon, "standing tall in the face of adversity, holding on to our beliefs and ideals as a nation". VICTORY against the Hezba!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

All Hail General Jarhead!! Military Genius !

Wow where to begin with this one. How on earth bio can take your generalization about the current state of the political climate in the U.S. and turn that into a wrong move as a specific military action on part of the Israeli military. ? Wow once again the Carl Rove tactics. Even if it makes no sense at all. The only thing missing from that confused statement was the "lefty,socialist bastard" comment

 

[The Colonel 333]

No, My dear Sherlock. You can tell from what people write. Their posts tell you more than what you need or care to know about them.

Let me guess anyone who questions the "great leader" is our enemy.
"Who are these people running around with there Constitution and there Bill of rights. Don't they know that you can't fight a war and still live in a free and open society" - This unfortunately seems to be the thought process of the current group of neo-cons in Washington who are calling themselves Conservative republicans.
I am sorry guys a true conservative believes in less government and a shrinking of federal powers. Not the opposite. I love how they have managed to fool so many people into thinking the Democrats are the evil socialist who want to expand the Gov. While they sit back and expand the federal Gov and it's powers. As long as you are so focused on hating the Democrats you won't notice that they are doing exactly what they are accusing the other guy of wanting to do. It is simply amazing that if you question there motives or don't agree with them then some how that means you must agree with the terrorist. Like that is the only two options we have. God bless it is ridiculous logic.
I can think of a few Governments and there followers in history that have been so authoritarian and almost all of them were dictatorships.

 

[BioHazzard]

I see you have just signed up. Hang around a bit longer. Read and learn, before you enlighten us with your gracious wisdom.

Just a pointer. You are soooo yesterday, buddy. We are miles ahead of you on this one. Save your breathe. You are not shedding new light. Everything has already been covered.

 

[BioHazzard]

Wow where to begin with this one. How on earth bio can take your generalization about the current state of the political climate in the U.S. and turn that into a wrong move as a specific military action on part of the Israeli military. ? Wow once again the Carl Rove tactics. Even if it makes no sense at all. The only thing missing from that confused statement was the "lefty,socialist bastard" comment

1. That wasn't in reply to you. Thus you haven't a clue.

2. You have missed the points completely. The humour is lost to you.

3. Take off your Mad Coward Dean glasses. It is blinding you. And stop hallucinating about seeing Carl Rove everywhere.

 

[BioHazzard]

Yes he was. That is one of the tactics of the Current administration. The Carl Rove playbook of partisan politics. If you dare question the great leader or anything the current group of republicans are doing then you must be one of those "damn liberal, commie bastards". You must be a wolf in sheeps clothing. I guess the thought is it's better to stomp out any and all criticism than to have a rationall discourse on our differences.

Bio you are so predictable in your responses. You must have the political hack playbook in front of you at all times.

The worst and dirtiest partisan tricks are all the exclusive domain of the Mad Coward Dean's extreme left wing elements.

Just look at how they are back-stabbing Lieberman.

I love how you and your cohorts can talk about wanting a rational discourse while at the same time conducting the worst and dirtiest demonizing tactics that you copied from the play books of the former KGB sponsored international left wing extremists.

Then again, being double talking hypocrites is the nature of the left wing extremists.

If you want to talk about rational discourse, then don't come in here and start spilling poison. You reap what you sow.

 

[The Colonel 333]

The worst and dirtiest partisan tricks are all the exclusive domain of the Mad Coward Dean's extreme left wing elements.

You keep proving my point with every post. If anyone does not agree with your opinion then they must be a big Howard Dean fan.
I hate to disappoint you but I voted for bush twice. A decision I now regret.
Of course I am sure you will just assume I am a political plant because you don't seem to comprehend how someone might not agree with the Administration and not be a "lefty, socialist, Commie bastard"

 

[The Colonel 333]

The worst and dirtiest partisan tricks are all the exclusive domain of the Mad Coward Dean's extreme left wing elements.

Just look at how they are back-stabbing Lieberman.

I love how you and your cohorts can talk about wanting a rational discourse while at the same time conducting the worst and dirtiest demonizing tactics that you copied from the play books of the former KGB sponsored international left wing extremists.

Then again, being double talking hypocrites is the nature of the left wing extremists.

If you want to talk about rational discourse, then don't coming here and start spilling poison on your very first post. You reap what you sow.

There you go again

 

[BioHazzard]

You keep proving my point with every post. If anyone does not agree with your opinion then they must be a big Howard Dean fan.
I hate to disappoint you but I voted for bush twice. A decision I now regret.
Of course I am sure you will just assume I am a political plant because you don't seem to comprehend how someone might not agree with the Administration and not be a "lefty, socialist, Commie bastard"

Hey we go again. Why must every left wing extremist and crackpot, has to pretend that he has voted for Bush or a conservative, when it is clearer than the sun that they are so filled with virulent poison and hatred that had they ever voted for Bush, they would have died on the spot. The pressure of venon inside them would have bursted their guts at the polling station, if they had ever pulled the level for Bush.

Stop this farce. You are not convincing any one.

There are a lot of Dem and left wing members here I respect. None of them ever pretended to be a conservative or a GOP.

 

[BioHazzard]

There you go again

Yeah well. Read and learn. Don't try to enlighten us on things we have already covered.

If you want rational discourse, then take off your Mad Howl' Dean glasses. Quit hallucinating about seeing Carl Rove when he has never even been mentioned by anyone. Stop spilling your venon and calling it rational discourse. Then we can talk about rational discourse.

If you want to butt in ongoing exchanges between members who have corresponded in the past, then do your homework and read up, so you don't butt in with your baseless assumption and trying to enlighten people on subjects they have long covered.

If you stand on the leftwing extremist camp and spilling poison partisan politics, then you will be taken as a member of Mad Howl Dean's extreme left wing nuts. Don't expect people to ponder, "gee, he is actually a moderate." BULLSH!T. Walk like a duck and quack like duck.. then.. you will be taken as a duck.

 

[The Colonel 333]

LOL, ohh Bio you crack me up, I keep telling you how your going to respond and you just keep making my predictions come true. Your right I am new here at AM and no one has mentioned Carl Rove in this thread, BUT I am not new to politics and that is why I know excactly how you will respond because it is straight out of his playbook.
Yea I guess you do want me to butt out. Sure thing bud, next time I try to agree with you or anybody else in the political topic board I will make sure I have long history of "chatting" with them first. Oh but feel free to respond to any of my comments by telling me I don't know what I am talking about and then not expect me to have any rebuttal.
Your talk of rational discourse is comical though, judging from your responses, "left wing extremist and crackpot", "take off your Mad Howl' Dean glasses", "Stop spilling your venon ", by the way it's venom. I figured I owed you one for pointing out my spelling error earlier. This one is my favorite "I love how you and your cohorts can talk about wanting a rational discourse while at the same time conducting the worst and dirtiest demonizing tactics that you copied from the play books of the former KGB sponsored international left wing extremists".Ok that's all for now I am afraid me and BIO have gone back and forth enough and it got ugly fast plus appears his blood is boiling at the moment. I dont want you to hurt your self brother.

 

[CallmeClark]

Heh, that's too much for me. I'll bow out of this conversation. You guys enjoy.

 

[jarhead]

1. I am glad the Republic does not have to depend on you to safeguard its security.

2. I am not the least bit surprised at your comment. Afterall you are the who thinks 911 is an inside job. You have a very opened mind, to all kind of crackpot bs, unfortunately. Some people's mind is so open, that it has fallen off. But that would never happen to you. Yours is totally closed to scientific evidence as well as logic.

3. Having said that, I like you, and thus I have a special offer for you. My uncle has a beach front property in Iowa. You see, the men-in-black are trying to steal it from him. So he has an urgent need to sell and disappear. Afterall, who would understand these men-in-black conspiracy by the government to oppress us, but someone like you? So, how about it? Special deal for you. While we are on the subject, my cousin is selling the Brooklyn Bridge at bargain basement price. It seems that the G-men are at persecuting him on the east coast. So, what do you say? Fire sale, just for you!

4. Yeah right. Some numbnut 'wholesaler' in Texas wanna pay 2X for some damn phones he can get for half at WalMart. Does jetfuel fume cause brain damage?

Whatever. Reread my post. I never said they were innocent OR guilty. The problem I have is the way the men were arrested as terrorists, on 2 pieces of evidence- buying cell phones, and having airline info in the car. That does not make a person a terrorist. As I said, I have seen PLENTY of these prepaid cellphones bought and resold by someone trying to make an easy buck. Maybe if you could pull your head out of Bush's butt for a sec :lol: and look around some of the crappier neighborhoods you would see the same type of scams being run on people. Some of the people there have crappy credit and couldn't afford the deposit on a mainstream cell, that's why there is that type of market for them. So paying 38.00 for a 20.00 phone (that is what they were bought/sold for) is better than a 400.00 deposit to verizon or sprint etc. I have airline flight info in my car right now from recently flying. If I went out tonight and tried to by a bunch of cell phones to resell them, I could apparently be arrested as a terrorist. Yes that bothers me. The word "terrorist" is becoming synonymous with "wecandowhateverthe****wewantscrewthebillofrights" by the government. What SHOULD be protected in this country is our bill of rights, personal rights and freedoms. As I said earlier, if more evidence comes out against the men, great. But what IF they were telling the the truth, and just intending to rip people off, not blow them up? They are still Americans, regardless of race or religion and should have the same rights as everyone not wearing a towel on their head.(excuse the stereotyping)

And yeah I am open minded. As for your 9/11 comments, and your scientific evidence comments, questioning your governments prior knowledge of a tragedy and ignored documented warnings, does not make one a crackpot.

But we did fake the moon landing

 

[jarhead]

I didn't know you are a military genius!

Wow! Them poor Israelis! If only they can have your intelligence. Think about it. All they have to do, is to march up into South Lebanon, "standing tall in the face of adversity, holding on to our beliefs and ideals as a nation". VICTORY against the Hezba!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

All Hail General Jarhead!! Military Genius !

Now you're just being silly. What are you talking about ?Reading comprehension eludes you.:study: :lol:

P.s. This is America, not Israel.

 

[anabolicrhino]

Now you're just being silly. What are you talking about ?Reading comprehension eludes you.:study: :lol:

P.s. This is America, not Israel.

Only a true friend will tell you what you really need to hear!

Hey , somebody had to say it, right?

 

[BioHazzard]

Whatever. Reread my post. I never said they were innocent OR guilty. The problem I have is the way the men were arrested as terrorists, on 2 pieces of evidence- buying cell phones, and having airline info in the car. That does not make a person a terrorist. As I said, I have seen PLENTY of these prepaid cellphones bought and resold by someone trying to make an easy buck. Maybe if you could pull your head out of Bush's butt for a sec :lol: and look around some of the crappier neighborhoods you would see the same type of scams being run on people. Some of the people there have crappy credit and couldn't afford the deposit on a mainstream cell, that's why there is that type of market for them. So paying 38.00 for a 20.00 phone (that is what they were bought/sold for) is better than a 400.00 deposit to verizon or sprint etc. I have airline flight info in my car right now from recently flying. If I went out tonight and tried to by a bunch of cell phones to resell them, I could apparently be arrested as a terrorist. Yes that bothers me. The word "terrorist" is becoming synonymous with "wecandowhateverthe****wewantscrewthebillofrights" by the government. What SHOULD be protected in this country is our bill of rights, personal rights and freedoms. As I said earlier, if more evidence comes out against the men, great. But what IF they were telling the the truth, and just intending to rip people off, not blow them up? They are still Americans, regardless of race or religion and should have the same rights as everyone not wearing a towel on their head.(excuse the stereotyping)

And yeah I am open minded. As for your 9/11 comments, and your scientific evidence comments, questioning your governments prior knowledge of a tragedy and ignored documented warnings, does not make one a crackpot.

But we did fake the moon landing

Your willingness to accept the most bizzare excuses is overwhelming. And your willingness to overlook scientific evidence is equally overwhelming.

I think even if 1000 cell phones got turned into 1000 bombs and were actually detonated and killed 10's of thousands of people, chances are, you would think it has nothing to do with terrorism and would call it an inside job by the men-in-black who are out to steal your rights. Why not? after all, 911 was pulled by the G-men, according to you. So that wouldn't be that farfetched, in your book, would it? :lol:

I don't know what you currently do for a living, my friend. But you are missing your calling. Think Hollywood, Jarhead!! Fame and fortune awaits you, not to mention the chicks dig a shaven head on a hunk's bod!! :bb: lol

 

[BioHazzard]

Only a true friend will tell you what you really need to hear!

Hey , somebody had to say it, right?

No invitation to the fraternity for you any time soon. :lol:

 

[BioHazzard]

Now you're just being silly. What are you talking about ?Reading comprehension eludes you.:study: :lol:

P.s. This is America, not Israel.

What? Didn't they teach you anything about war fighting in the military?

Nevermind. Where is my hook-on-phonics?

 

[BioHazzard]

LOL, ohh Bio you crack me up, I keep telling you how your going to respond and you just keep making my predictions come true. Your right I am new here at AM and no one has mentioned Carl Rove in this thread, BUT I am not new to politics and that is why I know excactly how you will respond because it is straight out of his playbook.
Yea I guess you do want me to butt out. Sure thing bud, next time I try to agree with you or anybody else in the political topic board I will make sure I have long history of "chatting" with them first. Oh but feel free to respond to any of my comments by telling me I don't know what I am talking about and then not expect me to have any rebuttal.
Your talk of rational discourse is comical though, judging from your responses, "left wing extremist and crackpot", "take off your Mad Howl' Dean glasses", "Stop spilling your venon ", by the way it's venom. I figured I owed you one for pointing out my spelling error earlier. This one is my favorite "I love how you and your cohorts can talk about wanting a rational discourse while at the same time conducting the worst and dirtiest demonizing tactics that you copied from the play books of the former KGB sponsored international left wing extremists".Ok that's all for now I am afraid me and BIO have gone back and forth enough and it got ugly fast plus appears his blood is boiling at the moment. I dont want you to hurt your self brother.

Don't flatter yourself. Most of the people here know more about politics than you assume you do. Read and learn before you enlighten us with your grand wisdom.

 

[BioHazzard]

Heh, that's too much for me. I'll bow out of this conversation. You guys enjoy.

The rule is very simple. You reap what you sow. You throw labels around. Labels got thrown right back at you. Cause and effect. Nothing to it.

 

[CallmeClark]

What are you talking about dude? I never threw any label around. I was making a point. Do you feel like our conservative administration is truly conservative? If so, give me a solid example. That's the point that I was making. I'm not very impressed with the way the last 4 years or so have been going. Granted, I would still prefer things to have turned out the way that they have over say a Kerry administration or Gore administration being voted into office. However, I'm just not impressed. This administration, in my opinion, is far from conservative. This is politics though I'm afraid. It's the nature of the beast. Lighten up a bit Bio.

 

[jarhead]

Your willingness to accept the most bizzare excuses is overwhelming. And your willingness to overlook scientific evidence is equally overwhelming.

I think even if 1000 cell phones got turned into 1000 bombs and were actually detonated and killed 10's of thousands of people, chances are, you would think it has nothing to do with terrorism and would call it an inside job by the men-in-black who are out to steal your rights. Why not? after all, 911 was pulled by the G-men, according to you. So that wouldn't be that farfetched, in your book, would it? :lol:

I don't know what you currently do for a living, my friend. But you are missing your calling. Think Hollywood, Jarhead!! Fame and fortune awaits you, not to mention the chicks dig a shaven head on a hunk's bod!! :bb: lol

This is not about bizarre excuses or scientific evidence, and I don't know why you insist on taking it there. You apparantly have never heard of the bill of rights or any of the other things that protect our rights as citizens. And you can stow the 9/11 talk because that's not exactly what I think. These guys were initially charged with money laundering. They were not caught or being investigated by the FBI for terrorism. They were caught by a clerk at walmart. They were not under ANY suspicion of being terrorists. Can cellphones be used for ied's? Of course, but that's not the point. Can you HONESTLY say we would even be talking about this if the men arrested were not arab american?

My whole point is, they were caught for buying cellphones and charged as terrorists. THERE WAS NO OTHER EVIDENCE. It is unacceptable for this to happen in AMERICA. We have something called the burden of proof. If they were white males, or black males this would not have happened. And if you read more about this story, they stood to make $18,000 selling these phones in a texas town (where they were from) where they were currently sold out. People do this crap all the time. It is not uncommon. Here are a few quotes from a news story that might help explain to you why there story is not that farfetched:
As for why these men were buying cell phones, it is apparent that they were buying those special pre-paid cell phones that are locked into a pre-paid network. These phones are sold below cost because the companies make back their money by selling the MINUTES. (Give away the razors, sell the blades.) Recently, companies have found out how to unlock these cell phones to work with standard cellular networks. Thus, with a little work, a very cheap cell phone can be turned into a regular cell phone. There, apparently, is some good money in this. This also explains pockets in the story, like Wal-Mart trying to enforce a vendor's desire that no more then three be sold to a person.

To arrest someone for terrorism for buying cell phones is wrong. You need more evidence. That's the way things are supposed to work in this country. What if they are completely being honest?

 

[anabolicrhino]

This is not about bizarre excuses or scientific evidence, and I don't know why you insist on taking it there. These guys were initially charged with money laundering. They were not caught or being investigated by the FBI for terrorism. They were caught by a clerk at walmart. They were not under ANY suspicion of being terrorists. Can cellphones be used for ied's? Of course, but that's not the point. Can you HONESTLY say we would even be talking about this if the men arrested were not arab american?

My whole point is, they were caught for buying cellphones and charged as terrorists. It is unacceptable for this to happen in AMERICA. We have something called the burden of proof. If they were white males, or black males this would not have happened. And if you read more about this story, they stood to make $18,000 selling these phones in a texas town (where they were from) where they were currently sold out. People do this crap all the time. It is not uncommon. Here are a few quotes from a news story that might help explain to you why there story is not that farfetched:
As for why these men were buying cell phones, it is apparent that they were buying those special pre-paid cell phones that are locked into a pre-paid network. These phones are sold below cost because the companies make back their money by selling the MINUTES. (Give away the razors, sell the blades.) Recently, companies have found out how to unlock these cell phones to work with standard cellular networks. Thus, with a little work, a very cheap cell phone can be turned into a regular cell phone. There, apparently, is some good money in this. This also explains pockets in the story, like Wal-Mart trying to enforce a vendor's desire that no more then three be sold to a person.

To arrest someone for terrorism for buying cell phones is wrong. You need more evidence. That's the way things are supposed to work in this country. What if they are completely being honest?

That seems like a plausable explanation for a series of events that were motivated by profit and opportunity. That sounds like the free enterprise that people use to become successful in a capitalist society as granted by the Declaration of Independence

Didn't there used to be this thing where they would say... ...something like you are presumed innocent until proven guilty?

That was this country, right?

It does sound a little risky and it does require some level of trust in complete strangers,...but I think that's why they used to call it democracy!

 

[BioHazzard]

The pieces you are missing:

"....Stevenson said the men went to a 24-hour Wal-Mart store in Caro early Friday and bought the cell phones despite a store policy limiting customers to three phones per purchase. A Wal-Mart clerk who thought the purchases were suspicious alerted police.

''They target these stores late, in the morning, hoping to get an inexperienced clerk,'' Stevenson said..."


"...Wal-Mart has an agreement with cell phone manufactures to enforce a limit of three cell phones per purchase, said John Simley, a spokesman for Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in Bentonville, Ark....."


The policy isn't "Call the cops if you have Arab looking males buying more than 3 cellphones at a time." :lol: So, your racial profiling accusation has just gone :dump:


Why do you think good ol Wal Mart has "an agreement with cell phone manufactures to enforce a limit of three cell phones per purchase"?

Could it be Wal Mart is out to steal your rights, jarhead? :lol: :lol: :lol: Or is it the cell phone manufacturers who want to steal your rights?


If 3 Arabs bought 3 tons of Ammonium Nitrate, got floor plans of the Sears tower and rented a Budget truck. What da ya think? Exercising their rights?

 

[jarhead]

That seems like a plausable explanation for a series of events that were motivated by profit and opportunity. That sounds like the free enterprise that people use to become successful in a capitalist society as granted by the Declaration of Independence

Didn't there used to be this thing where they would say... ...something like you are presumed innocent until proven guilty?

That was this country, right?

It does sound a little risky and it does require some level of trust in complete strangers,...but I think that's why they used to call it democracy!

:thumbsup: Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[jarhead]

The pieces you are missing:

"....Stevenson said the men went to a 24-hour Wal-Mart store in Caro early Friday and bought the cell phones despite a store policy limiting customers to three phones per purchase. A Wal-Mart clerk who thought the purchases were suspicious alerted police.

''They target these stores late, in the morning, hoping to get an inexperienced clerk,'' Stevenson said..."


"...Wal-Mart has an agreement with cell phone manufactures to enforce a limit of three cell phones per purchase, said John Simley, a spokesman for Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in Bentonville, Ark....."


The policy isn't "Call the cops if you have Arab looking males buying more than 3 cellphones at a time." :lol: So, your racial profiling accusation has just gone :dump:


Why do you think good ol Wal Mart has "an agreement with cell phone manufactures to enforce a limit of three cell phones per purchase"?

Could it be Wal Mart is out to steal your rights, jarhead? :lol: :lol: :lol:


If 3 Arabs bought 3 tons of Ammonium Nitrate, got floor plans of the Sears tower and rented a Budget truck. What da ya think? Exercising their rights?

Please explain to me how this helps your argument. The racial profiling comes in when they were CHARGED WITH TERRORISTIC ACTIVITIES for buying too many cell phones. If they were not arab, they would have been charged with money laundering and we would not be discussing this.

The agreement with walmart to limit the sale to 3 has nothing to do with terrorism. It is in part to prevent the reselling of these phones.

These 3 did not have explosives, building plans, or anything of the sort. They were even separating the phones, chargers, and batteries for resale when they were pulled over.

 

[BioHazzard]

If you ask me, we should definitely trust them to bring liquid onboard planes.

Besides, what terrorism? 911 is not the result of terrorism. 911 is the result of men-in-black wanting to steal our rights.

SO, no terrorism, no worry. I want my rights. Has anyone seen my rights lately? :lol: Anybody else lose any rights lately? lol

 

[BioHazzard]

Please explain to me how this helps your argument. The racial profiling comes in when they were CHARGED WITH TERRORISTIC ACTIVITIES for buying too many cell phones. If they were not arab, they would have been charged with money laundering and we would not be discussing this.

What are you now? A prosecutor? How do you know what 3 white dudes would not be charged with terrorism? Timothy McVeigh was white, wasn't he? Do you assume everyone in LE is both stupid and racist?

Your tendency to think the worst of our government is certainly very predictable.

These 3 did not have explosives, building plans, or anything of the sort. They were even separating the phones, chargers, and batteries for resale when they were pulled over.

Yeah and they are such marketing genius!! Buy something from Wal Mart for $20 and sell it for $38 to a wholesaler who has to mark them even higher. Yeah sure. Have you been to WalMart lately? Even the most illiterate and dumbest illegals have been to Wal Mart. And thus, no matter how dumb they are, they wouldn't phucker out 2-3x for some damn phone they can get from Wal Mart. This deal stings, amigo. I know a tons of illegals, from different parts of the world. Every single one of them are loaded with fancy cell phones, much better than mine. Don't be that naive to presume that they are idiots as to pay 2-3X for some crap they can buy at WalMart. That is simply absurd!

But what about that beach front properties in Iowa? Interested? :lol:

 

[Jayhawkk]

I am.

 

[BioHazzard]

For you, I'll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge, on the house. :lol:

 

[Jayhawkk]

Sweet! I always wanted my own bridge! Now I just need a moat.

 

[jarhead]

What are you now? A prosecutor? How do you know what 3 white dudes would not be charged with terrorism? Timothy McVeigh was white, wasn't he? Do you assume everyone in LE is both stupid and racist?

Your tendency to think the worst of our government is certainly very predictable.


Yeah and they are such marketing genius!! Buy something from Wal Mart for $20 and sell it for $38 to a wholesaler who has to mark them even higher. Yeah sure. Have you been to WalMart lately? Even the most illiterate and dumbest illegals have been to Wal Mart. And thus, no matter how dumb they are, they wouldn't phucker out 2-3x for some damn phone they can get from Wal Mart. This deal stings, amigo. I know a tons of illegals, from different parts of the world. Every single one of them are loaded with fancy cell phones, much better than mine. Don't be that naive to presume that they are idiots as to pay 2-3X for some crap they can buy at WalMart. That is simply absurd!

But what about that beach front properties in Iowa? Interested? :lol:

You just don't get it. First of all timothy mcveigh blew up a building. Yes there are people dumb enough to buy these things. It is not uncommon. Ever been to a flea market? They mark up the phone a bit and sell the charger and battery separate. They stood to profit $18,000 from them, so yes it would be worth it. Oh and here's a link that has nothing to do with terrorism or this story talking about a business that resells cells, even though you'll probably just ignore it and still call the whole idea ridiculous.Invalid Link Removed These phones are often also sold to illegal immigrants. Oh and here's an excerpt from an article talking about the resold phones being fitted to be used buy a regular carrier, which led to a lawsuit.
Tracfone retained a private investigator firm to determine whether Defendants were misusing its prepaid wireless handsets.

The investigators contacted Sol Wireless and arranged for the purchase [of] several Nokia 1100 wireless phones and several Nokia 2600 wireless phones.

While at Sol Wireless, one of the investigators observed defendant Pino take a Nokia 1100 wireless handset out of a plastic bag, remove the back cover and insert a small, black, square-shaped device approximately three inches in diameter into the back of the wireless phone where the battery is located. The device was then connected by a black curled cord, similar to a telephone cord, to the back of a computer located on top of the desk. After a short time, the device was removed from the back of the wireless phone. This action took approximately one to two minutes to accomplish. Pino performed the same process on each of the Nokia wireless phones purchased by the investigator. The phones, along with a battery and charger, were then packaged in Nokia container boxes.

Either way , no matter what race they are. They had no cause to charge them with anything other than money laundering. They found NO other evidence linking them to terrorism. Why do you ignore that?

You know what, forget it. You're right. I'm convinced. Buying cellphones means I'm a terrorist. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to take a dump on the flag and wipe my ass with the bill of rights.

 

[BioHazzard]

Here is another thing. They claimed there was this wholesaler who was going to pay $38 for the $20 phone. If you believe that, then.. oh well..

Look, if I really have to explain this. Ok, this wholesaler with $38,000 to blow away. And he is going to blow it on cellphones. And the story said, he was going to mark up the phone 2-3X. WOW! One side, he is a true marketing genius. But then on the other hand, he is the dumbest piece of sh1t of a wholesaler, who is so incredibly fvcking dumb that he doesn't know he is being raped by 3 Arabs. A guy with $38,000 to blow away, doesn't know the same crap is selling at $20 a piece at Wal Mart!!! Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He must be so incredibly fvcking dumb that he didn't know to hire a punch of high school kids for $10 an hour and go shopping at Wal Mart all over the state. Nooooo... he has to fvcking piss $18000 down the toilet.

People with $38,000 to piss away, simply CANNOT be this fvcking dumb. It is lightyear beyond stupidity. :lol:

 

[BioHazzard]

Jarhead, nothing can convince you of anything. Hell, Osama video taped his own admission about 911. Not even that is go enough for you. After witnessing your adventurous trip down the conspiracy side of 911, I have long given up on convincing you on anything.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Jarhead and Biohazard...Polar opposites. It's like argueing with a mirror I bet

 

[anabolicrhino]

The pieces you are missing:

"....Stevenson said the men went to a 24-hour Wal-Mart store in Caro early Friday and bought the cell phones despite a store policy limiting customers to three phones per purchase. A Wal-Mart clerk who thought the purchases were suspicious alerted police.

''They target these stores late, in the morning, hoping to get an inexperienced clerk,'' Stevenson said..."


"...Wal-Mart has an agreement with cell phone manufactures to enforce a limit of three cell phones per purchase, said John Simley, a spokesman for Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in Bentonville, Ark....."


The policy isn't "Call the cops if you have Arab looking males buying more than 3 cellphones at a time." :lol: So, your racial profiling accusation has just gone :dump:


Why do you think good ol Wal Mart has "an agreement with cell phone manufactures to enforce a limit of three cell phones per purchase"?

Could it be Wal Mart is out to steal your rights, jarhead? :lol: :lol: :lol: Or is it the cell phone manufacturers who want to steal your rights?


If 3 Arabs bought 3 tons of Ammonium Nitrate, got floor plans of the Sears tower and rented a Budget truck. What da ya think? Exercising their rights?

Wal mart has a buisness contract to maximize its corporate profit margins, no more no less...they may imply that they are saving the children,...but that's a dead give away.

Just because a persons "civil rights" run contrary to you personal agenda does not make them criminals.

Its not easy but in a democracy you have to take chances and trust people's good intentions, to do otherwise leads to fascism.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Its not easy but in a democracy you have to take chances and trust people's good intentions, to do otherwise leads to fascism.

Well, i'll have to disagree to a point. Good intentions are rare and trusting people will more time than not, lead to a person getting burnt. Although I still try and give them a chance. But you're right. A good portion of laws are there because the above was broken. The other are placed because we are idiots and let buttheads get elected who respond to more buttheads because of misinformation trhough media buttheads.

 

[anabolicrhino]

Well, i'll have to disagree to a point. Good intentions are rare and trusting people will more time than not, lead to a person getting burnt. Although I still try and give them a chance. But you're right. A good portion of laws are there because the above was broken. The other are placed because we are idiots and let buttheads get elected who respond to more buttheads because of misinformation trhough media buttheads.

There is a saying that, the road to hell is paved with "good intentions"

Yea, on a field level I certainly use prejiduce and bias to protect my family, you can't extend your trust to the point of unnecessary risk.

However on an administrative level there can be no doubts as to how equally justice is being applied to all citizens

There is a good debate on what level of justice should be applied to non-citizen residents. The US used (pre 9/11) to grant all people in the US the same rights as citizens. This is one change that I think was a smart move.A US citizen should have some advantages over resident aliens, but those advantages need to be made clear to all! Maybe something like the "Miranda rights"

 

[jarhead]

Jarhead, nothing can convince you of anything. Hell, Osama video taped his own admission about 911. Not even that is go enough for you. After witnessing your adventurous trip down the conspiracy side of 911, I have long given up on convincing you on anything.

First of all you have the facts of this case wrong. Secondly, again,you are wrong on my thoughts about 9/11. Thirdly, what exactly are you trying to convince me of, that you know without a doubt that the men are indeed terrorists? I'm arguing the legalities of arresting two men on terrorism charges with no evidence, nothing more nothing less. So you can drop the conspiracy crackpot insults anytime. Oh wait, then you might actually have to look at the facts. And lastly, apparently the prosecutor must be as "crazy" as me, because today ALL terrorism charges were dropped due to LACK OF EVIDENCE and finding no connection with any terrorist groups.

 

[BioHazzard]

Wow... I should be so embarrassed that if you would excuse me, I think I am going to slit my wrist now...

But alas, life is not that simple.

Hey, OJ Simpson got off too. Did you learn anything from that?

Here is a summarized lesson:

1. That the guilty goes free, is nothing new in our legal system. Sometimes, even the guilty gets off because of insufficient proof or technicality. Sometimes the guilty gets off because the jury fvcks up. That does not mean they are innocent. It just means that they are found not guilty in a legal sense. It doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime. Just that the system fails to convict them.

2. There are bizillion cases that are never indicted because the prosecution decided that they didn't have enough evidence to win the trial. That does not mean they are innocent.

3. Fighting terrorism use LE methods is self defeating. Warfare must be deal with warfare. Using LE methods would just mean a monumental waste of not only resources, but also loss of innocent lives. But I doubt that does not bother you.


4. In this particular case, it is a perfect example of everything I have posted above.

So, what else is new?

 

[Jayhawkk]

You do realize that you can argue the complete opposite of your first three points, right?

 

[CallmeClark]

Wal mart has a buisness contract to maximize its corporate profit margins, no more no less...they may imply that they are saving the children,...but that's a dead give away.

Just because a persons "civil rights" run contrary to you personal agenda does not make them criminals.

Its not easy but in a democracy you have to take chances and trust people's good intentions, to do otherwise leads to fascism.

I have to interject here... We're not living in a democracy... This is in fact a Representitive Republic. Ok, point made. lol

 

[jarhead]

Wow... I should be so embarrassed that if you would excuse me, I think I am going to slit my wrist now...

But alas, life is not that simple.

Hey, OJ Simpson got off too. Did you learn anything from that?

Here is a summarized lesson:

1. That the guilty goes free, is nothing new in our legal system. Sometimes, even the guilty gets off because of insufficient proof or technicality. Sometimes the guilty gets off because the jury fvcks up. That does not mean they are innocent. It just means that they are found not guilty in a legal sense. It doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime. Just that the system fails to convict them.

2. There are bizillion cases that are never indicted because the prosecution decided that they didn't have enough evidence to win the trial. That does not mean they are innocent.

3. Fighting terrorism use LE methods is self defeating. Warfare must be deal with warfare. Using LE methods would just mean a monumental waste of not only resources, but also loss of innocent lives. But I doubt that does not bother you.


4. In this particular case, it is a perfect example of everything I have posted above.

So, what else is new?

You have to be joking. You are turning this in to something it is not. You have also decided the men are guilty, before it even came close to trial. You (nor I) know all the facts, yet you are certain they are terrorists. That is stereotyping, racial profiling, or whatever you want to call it my friend.

Like it or not this is America. We have a judicial system in place that is supposed to be run so that everyone gets a fair shake. You seem to have a problem with this. If it is ok to arrest those two for buying cell phones, then it is ok for them to arrest you and I for something without evidence. That is why it is so important. You don't change the rules on a case by case basis. Why are you so insistant on ignoring the fact that their WAS NOT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE FOR THE CHARGES? To compare this case to OJ is just a joke. There was no crime commited here. But I guess you know it all so must be privy to information that the rest of us aren't.

Oh wait, you did read the part that the men were found to have no links to any terrorist group right? But that is just another excuse right?

 

[BioHazzard]

Jarhead, l am going to stop arguing with you for the simple reason that I would like to follow JayHawk's advice and try to avoid getting into a situation where it becomes me attacking someone's intelligence. I would have little qualm in going into that, as I have demonstrated that many times, :lol: but I don't think the Head Crown would be too happy that I keep pissing off his readership.

Here is some facts about the Ohio case:

"..... the two men initially gave deputies different names than appeared on their IDs. The men also initially said they were buying phones for a relative's construction business, then changed the story when deputies asked for contact information, Washington County Prosecutor James Schneider Schneider said.

Schneider said his office and federal authorities don't believe "the defendants pose an imminent threat at this time."

But he said the investigation remains open and he could still present evidence to a grand jury to pursue terrorism-related charges.

The FBI and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security sent bulletins early this year warning police departments nationwide to be alert for bulk purchase of prepaid TracFones, which could be resold to finance terrorism.

Within days of the Ohio arrests, three Palestinian-American men from Texas were charged in Michigan after nearly 1,000 cell phones were found in a van they were driving.

In the Michigan case, the FBI said Monday that it had no indication that the men had any ties to known terrorist groups. Local prosecutors, however, were standing by the charges.

Prosecutors have not said what they believe the three men intended to do with the phones, though officials have said cell phones can be used as detonators and the Coast Guard increased its patrols of the five-mile-long Mackinac Bridge after the arrests....."


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[BioHazzard]

You do realize that you can argue the complete opposite of your first three points, right?

Ehh... no. I have no idea what you are getting at. What I have stated are factually correct.

 

[jarhead]

Jarhead, l am going to stop arguing with you for the simple reason that I would like to follow JayHawk's advice and try to avoid getting into a situation where it becomes me attacking someone's intelligence. I would have little qualm in going into that, as I have demonstrated that many times, :lol: but I don't think the Head Crown would be too happy that I keep pissing off his readership.

Fine. Poopyhead. Doh! Too late! I have a feeling by the time we were done they would have the terrorism problem solved anyway.:cheers:

 

[BioHazzard]

Hey what happened to your pic/avatar? You look really cool . Seriously, you should get an agent. Your physique sure beat a lot of the silverscreen tough guys. I mean it. I am not being sarcastic here. lol When you make it to the big time, don't forget it is ME who get you started on the route. You can thank me by hiring me to manage your finance. My fee is very reasonable and I quarantee top percentile return on your investment.

 

[anabolicrhino]

I have to interject here... We're not living in a democracy... This is in fact a Representitive Republic. Ok, point made. lol

Yes , that is the major flaw with our governmentsl structure. It was drawn up as a Democratic republic or representative democracy.

The power was to lie with the people who elect representatives to run the government. This works pretty well as most people are too busy to run the country while trying to make a living.

The "flaw" is the two party system that has dominated the last 130 years or so...It is possible to infiltrate the party ranks with "agents" that have the same agenda. They then create moot points(gay marriage, healthcare,taxes) as platform differences that give the illusion of choice. So no matter who you pick, the agenda is served(rich guys) before the greater good of the people.(us guys)

 

[CallmeClark]

I don't feel that the government necessarily caters to the "rich". I feel like they cater to themselves. When this nation was founded the government made up 4-6% of the economy. Well, given inflation (bullsh*t) the government now makes up a whopping 44% of the pie. I may be mistaken, but that just doesn't make sense. Well, that doesn't make sense in my opinion. I mean, if the country belongs to the people, why is the government so big? Anyway, I believe that's a topic better left for another post. Just throwin' it out there.

 

[Big Matt]

Yes , that is the major flaw with our governmentsl structure. It was drawn up as a Democratic republic or representative democracy.

The power was to lie with the people who elect representatives to run the government. This works pretty well as most people are too busy to run the country while trying to make a living.

The "flaw" is the two party system that has dominated the last 130 years or so...It is possible to infiltrate the party ranks with "agents" that have the same agenda. They then create moot points(gay marriage, healthcare,taxes) as platform differences that give the illusion of choice. So no matter who you pick, the agenda is served(rich guys) before the greater good of the people.(us guys)

Our capitalistic society/economy invaded and took over the political system. Imagine if a law was passed prohibiting politicians from engaging or doing business with any special interest groups? Imagine that there was one pool of money that all candidates had to share equally during elections? Imagine if obvious pork barrel projects funded by taxpayer money were illegal? What would happen?

Answer: we'd have a much better and efficient government that caters to the voters not special interest groups. We'd also have a ton of taxpayer money to fix social security, fix the public school system, give tax credits for college tuition, supplement the health care system so everyone had access to minimal health care needs, it would help fix so many of our nations ills it's not even funny!

BTW - I do believe that America has the best economic/political system on the planet.....even with all it's faults......take a look at any other country and the avg. standard of living......no matter how you slice it, the USA is second to none........imagine how far we could go as a people if we cut all the BS and fixed what has been broken along the way since 1776? Answer: Utopia