If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo
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kisaj
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It is actually. It's unfortunate, but it was going to eventually happen when there are thousands of people taking it. I can't think of a single supplement that has gone to this point without multiple people saying they weren't getting the effect. Safe to say this works.
ELROCK
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And we have our first non responder. It was bound to happen it just sucks it had to be you bro.
brundel
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As with pretty much everything results are better for some than others. This is why in studies they use huge groups of subjects.
1 guy not responding well compared to like 500 that have responded well is a good average in my book.
One of my friends said the same thing then realized he had gained 8lbs when he stepped on the scale.
I wish I knew what the factor involved was so I could try to mitigate it.
1 guy not responding well compared to like 500 that have responded well is a good average in my book.
One of my friends said the same thing then realized he had gained 8lbs when he stepped on the scale.
I wish I knew what the factor involved was so I could try to mitigate it.
johnnybeegood
Banned
i just turned 39. diet and training are impeccable.
kisaj
Legend
..and there lies the frustration. When I know personally how amazing it is and post after post of users experiencing it as well, it makes you want everyone to get it. I truly want every single person to see what I did and what I am experiencing again on my second run.
hurdlemaker
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excellent IMO
33127
Banned
Example of training regimen ?
brundel
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Any medications, illness/disease, or circumstance that may play a factor?
nasrenegade
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How does Myosynergy compare with this? I understand that probably has less Epicatechin but Folli is comprised of Epicatechin and rice flour. How does the the significantly less dosage of Epicatechin effect its use and what does the preceeding "(-)-" means nothan, assuming it means something.
33127
Banned
"(-)-" means everything
Myosynergy is not a Epicatechin product
It's a product that contains Epicatechin
Epicatechin does poor orally
So maybe myosynergy is dosed just right
Compared to a study or 2
But epi does so poor orally that your not
Getting close to what u consumed
Follidrone supposedly is dosed a lot higher
even higher than what is used in the
Studies to combat the poor asorbtion
So in theory your body absorbs what
Was used In the studies
This is what I gathered from refreshing 123 times and been banned like 4 times waiting on this stuff lol
Myosynergy has a great ingredient panel
But epi and it's poor absorbing issues may
Be underdosed once your body breaks down the supplement
If you want to see the effects of solely epi I wouldn't buy Myosyngery I'll buy follidrone
nasrenegade
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Ok, but what exactly does it mean? Im just trying to get a better understanding of the differences of these two ingredients in their respective products as they seem to be similar but different. I believe brundel at some point said something along the lines of "not all epicatechins are created equally".
33127
Banned
Basically they are not created equal
And Brundel was talking more towards Biotivia Hercules upcoming product more so Myosynergy
Biotivia is using a different form of epi I guess ??
Brundel hinted that myosynergy contains the right (-)-epi tho that he thinks the product just mislabeled only concern is the dosage of epi in myosynergy does so poor orally u need to take more than suggested to combat the absorption issues
toddmuelheim
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The (-) and (+) distinguish between enantiomers of the epicatechin. It refers to the direction that it will rotate plane polarized light. There are many different mixtures of epi as well as %yield of pure product. If this makes no sense to you, I can elaborate further. It's good you're curious though.
toddmuelheim
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Also, just because bolt labels contain (-)-epi does not mean they are the same. Even if they are both the same amount of product. One may be a drastically different % of pure product. (ie: forskolin 95 vs forskolin 20)
kisaj
Legend
Also, I think for our purposes here, it is -(-) that has been shown to reduce muscle fatigue and increase cardio function- which explains the high increase in volume work, endurance, and recovery in users of Follidrone. Taking this into account, it also helps explain the strength increase and body comp changes over the course of several weeks.
toddmuelheim
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(-)- ?
toddmuelheim
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That was supposed to be a humorous emoticon with a tongue sticking out lol. It turned into a question mark in translation idk why.
toddmuelheim
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? ? ? ? ?
toddmuelheim
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I think if you use your iPhone emojis they all just turn into question marks bc I just posted 5 different smileys and that's what came out.
nasrenegade
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I have a beginners understand of extraction/concentration but the rotation of "it" has me lost. Assuming "it" is a molecule of epicatechin, how does its rotation affect it as a product and thusly how does it affect the human body?
toddmuelheim
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I'll try to oversimplify a bit just so it makes sense. Imagine I give you 2 sets of 5 blocks of different shape and size, as well as the sticks to connect them. You are to build 2 different models, that are mirror images of one another. So now they you're done, they both have same chemical composition, however since they are mirror images of each other they can never be manipulated to be exactly the same in 3D space. Now picture that in your body. It makes sense that one molecule might interact differently with various other molecules in the body. It also makes sense that one may be able to fit into a place where the other is unable to, right?
nasrenegade
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That does make sense, kind of ( assuming you can not flip said models; the slash and backslash on your keyboard for example ). That said, does that mean there are pros and cons to both, as they are both "positioned" differently?
toddmuelheim
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You can do whatever you want to them besides rearrange the pieces. You can try this in real life and see. I've done a million lol. I haven't poured over studies but basically (-) could react totally differently than (+). In the epicatechin example, it seems as though the (-) enantiomer has the benefits we are looking for. Idk what, if any, the (+) has.
The backslash and slash are poor examples because they are just lines and have no pieces. You can rotate them and they are the same, which is why they would not receive an enantiomeric designation.
nasrenegade
New member
I looked up the wikipedia article on "Enantiomer" and looking at the picture on the left about half way down the page, and I just cant seem to understand why you cant rotate the "R" enatiomer 180 degrees to make it the same as the "S". Ive only done upto college chem so ELI5 please. I just cant seem to understand why you cant just rotate them.
LOL. Right before I posted this I figured out why. Now I feel really dumb. I put my hands together and realized that your hands are the perfect example; they are mirror images of each other but theres no way to rotate them in a way that makes them exactly the same. I think I was still focused on a 2D space rather than 3D.
toddmuelheim
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Yeah the hand model is how it's usually taught...sorry I haven't had my coffee yet lol
made2last
Member
I wasn't aware I needed to take Follidrone along with a steroid, in this case am I better off going with Formeron as my standalone supp? I'm 34 ran 2 cycles about 10 years ago, I don't wanna beat my body up anymore. I'm currently on a keto diet and want to lean out and get a little muscle while I'm losing fat (I know that's very difficult that's why I'm looking for a supp) thanks guys, ur feedback is appreciated.
kisaj
Legend
It was a joke. You do not need to take Follidrone with anything else.
huxley309
Member
Currently running Foli, osta, F95, alphamine, T3, 125mg test and you be right.
kisaj
Legend
Follidrone will not directly effect test levels, but due to the fact that volume work can be increased dramatically, that will indirectly have an effect on test levels. Honestly, Viron, Folli, and Formeron will give you the ultimate performance stack. Increased endurance, cardio, recovery, increased free test, and lowering e2.
I am on TRT and using this stack with what can only be described as incredible results. My wife and friends constantly comment that I have the energy of an 18 year old.
huxley309
Member
Afraid im no good at logging.
but i'll say this much, i was looking to have visible abs after this and my ttm cycle in two months time,
but at the rate the above stack is going, i wouldn't be surprised i make it before then.
I'm losing a lot of fat, and i'm yet to lose a single pound, in fact i may have gained 1-2lb.
Certainly getting a lot of looks in the gym that's for sure.
huxley309
Member
Thanks, it's been a long time coming given im 40.
One odd thing i noticed today, my body is screaming out for protein, it's 5.25pm here and i've gone through at least 300g already.
Which is odd as normally it's carbs i crave, i guess it's the above stack increasing demand.
I'll just throw in extra in my shakes to balance it out.
I think i'll be putting that toilet roll in the fridge, i might be needing it later on.
brundel
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Follidrone is (-)-epicatechin.
RIce flour is a filler its not an active ingredient and we dont claim it is. We use larger caps so its harder for competitors to figure out how much (-)-epi we use in the caps.
The (-)- is of exceptional importance. If its not (-)- its not the right substance.
Most of the human studies that indicate increased exercise capacity and anabolic potential used 2mg per kg. THis means over 200mg for a 200lb guy.
Follidrone meets or exceeds this.
brundel
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Formeron will help your HPTA so test levels will likely be higher after the cycle.
Follidrone is non hormonal so there is no suppression at any dose.
brundel
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So far there have been alot of surprises with the Follidrone...
Beginning with trials I couldnt believe what I was hearing...the weight and strength gains were insane.
I hadnt even heard about the endurance part really....
A couple guys had said they looked leaner but were gaining weight?
Now a bunch of people even in caloric deficit have been gaining weight while losing bodyfat....Im not aware of anything else thats not a steroid cycle that can do this.
Quadzilla99
Member
What human studies are you talking about? All I saw when i looked was that hand grip study in people who didn't lift. Is there studies in people who exercised or lifted?
Touey
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brundel
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Forgive me I should have said the 1 grip strength study used 1mg/kg
and....many animal studies used the equivalent.
The study that shows 30-50% exercise capacity increase for example.
Also interesting is if you continue to look...ALOT more studies are being posted. Im seeing ones Ive never seen before.
All pretty positive.
Tons of good studies out there though. I posted about 7-8 initially.
Here is one with exercised animals./mice
"Animals received 1 mg kg−1 of (–)-epicatechin or water (vehicle) via oral gavage
(twice daily). Exercise groups underwent 15 days of treadmill exercise. Significant increases in
treadmill performance (∼50%) and enhanced in situ muscle fatigue resistance (∼30%) were
observed with (–)-epicatechin."
Some people may say "well we are not mice".
This is true, however, there is a reason we use mice in studies. In addition....logs and reports validate this study with regards to potential for humans as pretty much everyone talks about huge improvements in exercise capacity.
abformulations
Legend
Lol. Ik you get tired of answering the same question at that of others comparing them all the time when their different products.
nasrenegade
New member
You compare products because they are different in the first place. Just because you may feel that its not important to understand the differences between differen products, that doesnt mean that everyone else feels the same way.
abformulations
Legend
If you look at the label you can see the difference without knowing what they are. Common sense.
If two products are different you CANT compare. Compare how they effect you yes but not the same. Orange to apples. If you see one ingredient in one and 3 in another they basically different.
rkc21
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Brundel or anyone else who might know, I plan on stacking the Follidrone, Formeron, and Viron. How long and at what stages do you take each? What I mean is do you start them all at the same time and finish them all at the same time for lets say a 3-4 month cycle then stay off it for 3-4 months? Or do you stop the Viron and taper off the Formeron for a couple weeks to prevent any rebound or what not? Can this aggravate or cause gyno to those who are prone?
mechka_grizli
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Formeron 2-4 pumps a day ( 2 for estro control, 3-4 for an anabolic effect)
Viron 5 days on 2 days off
Follidrone 2 caps pre workout, 2 on off days