Touey
Well-known member
of course it takes time to build up in one's system otherwise folks like kenpo would be barmy to be on about it taking a bit of time
If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo
- Thread starter Touey
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of course it takes time to build up in one's system otherwise folks like kenpo would be barmy to be on about it taking a bit of time
warrior737
Active member
I call bull****. I believe its you genetics that play a huge roll in this. Its just like taking a PH or gear. I believe everyone experiences different sides that we are genetically prone to. If it doesn't seem to be in you family I wouldn't worry about it. But I haven't researched it much either. :dunno:
Joshlm69
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Of course it's mainly genetics, that doesn't mean things don't speed it up....that's like saying its bulll**** that putting your balls in the microwave cause cancer, because it's inside of us anyway, haha.
If people are prone to MPB they don't need to be doing things which speed up the process, and according the examine, which is highly reputable, it speeds it up, so I've had to say bye to creatine, as my boy band hair > a few lbs on my lifts
warrior737
Active member
I d rather have hair then get a few gains on my lifts easier as well. Do you have bald guys in your family?
Joshlm69
Well-known member
My dad is bald, and my mums dad is bald, so it's not looking great for me, haha
Ordered some nizoral to add in 2 x a week.
Also grapeseed extract 600mg a day
And no creatine. BPS dermacrine has preganolone in, so going to start cycling that 2 weeks on 2 weeks off aswell
doogans
Active member
In your experience, how many months before taking a break?
Touey
Well-known member
for approximately 3 months you should not see much in the the way diminishing returns. Break for a month and you should be good for another three
kisaj
Legend
Keep in mind that this is Touey's personal experience and that is great. But there is no evidence to back this protocol and I am not following it, yet continue to see nice gains.
Moreover, I just got labs done again and tris, cholesterol, and BP all looks even better than 3 months ago.
Moreover, I just got labs done again and tris, cholesterol, and BP all looks even better than 3 months ago.
Touey
Well-known member
yes, it's amazing what happens when you keep your body guessing. Although I was disappointed a bit when effects waned at 3 months, one month off and the compound is as fresh and effective in the body as upon starting
Markos4
Member
guys im back, i stopped replying to this thread so long ago cause i've been really busy and havent lift for like 2. months already cause i think,im not sure,but i think because of the strength gains in my lower body, my knee started hurting and now i feel a lil better, but my elbow kinda hurts too. i'd also like to say i gained. 7 pounds in 3 weeks, but i lost them already,i dont know if i should take. it again when i heal or justgive it to my friend. . but i think this stuff works.
fightnews
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youll gain it back quick when u start lifting again. i feel like youre doing something wrong to get these injuries, maybe poor form or going to heavy for your experience level?
NattyForLife
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What about your bodybuilding jambalaya
fightnews
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Ohhhhh It's tasty!
NattyForLife
Well-known member
Recipe?
Markos4
Member
well idk why but my elbow makes like a clicking sound everytime i do push ups but thats been there since i was little,like 10 years old. but my knee never hurted before,and i've been lifting for 3 years already so idk.. :/
kisaj
Legend
I have labs posted with marked improvement to HDL, LDL, triglycerides, and minor improvement to liver values. I am on TRT and there was no difference in testosterone. There would be no direct improvement on test levels other than possibly increasing them secondary through increased resistance training for some.
I eat recomp and do IF.
Touey
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I started Follidrone after being on nothing else for months other than a basic pre-workout; speaking to sports nutrition
supplements not the normal supplements I take for health.
Strength-pumps-endurance all up 40% first 3 weeks. I am in week 4 and noticing my body is wanting to go but the previous 3 weeks has taken a toll and I feel my body needs to catch up.
I've had to reorganize my routine the biggest thing being limiting shoulders to once a week instead of Tue. and
Fri. some of the worst doms ever but in a good way. I don't notice anything from the egcg. I am going to stop taking it
altogether.I feel that week 5 will be brilliant because I think my body will have "caught up". This supplement is
transfomative on body composition - I check the scale every six months but gaining while leaning is what's happening,
I'm very adept in sensing what is going on with my body.
the fun thing about the product though are the unbelievable workouts, seriously shocked after some of these sessions when I muse over what 2 little marginal half filled caps provide
update on feelings about week 5
after recovering in week four, week 5 is on par with the first 3 weeks, difference being weight lifted in first 3 weeks now is even lighter... going up with ease, having now to add more weight. Body recomp. with this supplement continues to be brilliant
In an effort to keep some semblance of continuity, feelings about week 6
there has been so far no diminishing of positive results - most notable about week 6, weight lifted has increased the most dramatically of all the weeks so far, I believe all the extra calories consumed to keep up with the demand on the body are important to note... don't be afraid to eat on this stuff, what's brilliant is the continuation of virtually all gain being lean mass. In all seriousness never thought the amount of weight lifted would be possible on a natty alone
week 7
there has been not the slightest abatement in any of the positives aforementioned. Of special note, now workouts are becoming more singular; calf day has become a day unto its own the intensity is such on that one area that's enough of a workout, and indeed I feel like I've been through a thorough workout at that, whereas I've never before had a single day devoted to calves and had the kind of intensity I do now.
Concerning body composition really seeing the results now in week 7 more than in any other so far, in a way I wish I'd taken before and after simply for documentaries sake. One thing I've felt which ought perhaps to be mentioned is the nice way which the compound's profound effect on workouts helps wellness and generally feeling better throughout the weeks I've been on, although as we all know taking this compound in this fashion is relatively new and I am not saying there may not occur some negative side from taking this long term in the future.
week 8
I was wondering if the same thing that happened in week 4 would happen in week 8 and it has. Same as in week four "body is wanting to go but the previous 3 weeks has taken a toll and I feel my body needs to catch up"
it's been light weights and high reps week 8. I don't like it, but there we are, when something is really working you'll notice this. Otherwise all your workouts would be the same no ups and downs but also no growth; it will interesting to see if the rebound into week 9 is of the same magnitude as that into week 5
week 8.5
Tentative Follidrone dosing scheme
week 1 - on
week 2- on
week3 - on
week4 - off "no Follidrone" - very light weight; don't workout the body parts which are sore at all
week 5- on
week 6- on
week 7- on
week 8- off ......
week 9-on
week 10-on
week 11-on
week 12-off
week 13-on
week 14-on
week 15-on
week 16 -off
etc.
I find Follidrone works quite fast felt it upon starting, I believe giving your body a break every forth week is crucial on this.
A break from Follidrone during this week will be the ideal time, I am confident that you will keep the gains made from the previous three weeks during these forth week breaks.
I think this is perhaps the ideal way to dose Follidrone. I don't think the forth week is necessarily "the week" for everyone to take off. It may be every fifth week etc. for you.
i.e. the dosing protocol needn't be "every 4th week" for some the deload / break from follidrone may be the 8th week....on seven weeks off every 8th week, everyone is different...your body will let you know the week believe me.Invalid Link Removed
For me it happens to be the forth, I've found my body needs a deload week / break from Follidrone
"Do I feel like taking that week off was mainly about physically recovering from the increased volume/intensity during the follidrone phase, or did stopping the follidrone during that time also allow you to avoid any tolerance and remain more sensitive to its effects?" --both
week 9
"it will interesting to see if the rebound into week 9 is of the same magnitude as that into week 5"
Honestly it took a bit of patience having to wait and see if Follidrone would rebound in week 9 as in week five.
In the back of my mind I knew there was a chance the dosing scheme would not work, hence the reason I used words like tentative and confident instead of certain or sure. It has worked though just as in week 5.
I am up roughly 30% in actual weight able to lift now in week 9 from week 1, transformative recomp, still way less HIIT than normal as the workouts on it are such that I've had to cut HIIT way down to get my resting heart rate to normal. The hunger at the end of deload week 8 was very high.
week 10
The longer I'm on the more I've noticed you needn't get overly concerned with lifting high amounts of weight to build loads muscle on Follidrone. Pay attention to form, focus, use variation techniques and you'll do very well building substantial muscle on this.
week 11
I have never seriously recommended anything because no difference has been made much by any natty for me, maybe the little pump from agmatine etc.
I am tempted to have these caps tested because it does not feel natty to me. If the integrity of the quality for
the product does not slip and the exact same ingredient in the same dosages are continued on the same as that
which I am taking now it will be something I will always keep on hand
the aforementioned initial post has remained true, the integrity has indeed not slipped even if it may have been easy to have let it in efforts to bring raws to market fast of lesser quality, I've only used Folloidrone (-)-epi;
the various reviews made under my name for (-)-epi or other products are fictionalized by I know not whom. I've never formerly reviewed a product on NP nor any other supplement store site.
nearly 3 months in and the evaluation of good dry muscle tissue is exceptional. The progression made with the compound is such that each week diminishing returns are virtually non-existent, as long as I've taken the week break from (-)-epi during each deload week.
A negative factor if indeed it would be such is an inability to keep up with HIIT due to the extra time spent in workout sessions, intensity, general volume. I've had to restrict HIIT by half to get my resting heart rate to normal
week 12 -3 Months
An overview of 3 months on Follidrone puts to mind one very key thing; after 3 Months of taking any compound generally ones enthusiasm abates a bit.
However upon seeing such cumulative results such as finding muscles one knew not were there, increased appetite; more the past week than in the whole run, yet still gaining whilst leaning it's not difficult to remain curious.
This is deload / break from Follidrone week I've slept, then slept, and slept some more; 10 hours last night, 9 the previous.
I am afraid if you do not assimilate this much needed protocol of breaking from Follidrone during these deloads it will be a bit like spinning your wheels; the bodies not a machine contrary to what some may think. You can't simply keep adding more fuel expecting it to remain at high speeds.
the composition itself does not cause hunger, the appetite increase is simply a response of the body in an effort to fulfill the demands placed on it from the results of (-)-epi
week 13
It is always nice to be back after deloading. I've wondered if the great feeling after workouts is attributed to the composition itself or the great workouts which Follidrone results in.
After over 3 months and thinking about what would help folks in understanding long term dosing and how one may get a better handle on Follidrone; a better understanding of the composition. I think it is important to note with any composition you've got to change up your training.
Why is there so much turn over on these forums? People become interested in "bodybuilding" reach a peak hit PRs plateau then become discouraged finally giving up.
What makes it worse is the ads and marketing slogans, "Become a machine, not to be used unless you're a bodybuilder! top secret formula explosive gains!" Combined with reckless post / advise
The reality is it takes more patience than many things such as golf and even chess. It is no sprint rather a marathon. Constantly chasing PRs, continually using the same routine and expecting new lean gains all the time will get you no where.
I don't mean you've got to create totally new routines, slight variations will do well; different challenging angles even if there be a drop in volume.
This is the way to go about creating a physique that will continue to change and advance through the years.
Although it indeed takes patience, it's something which may benefit throughout ones life if understood properly.
addendum: the explosive gains on Follidrone happen to be realInvalid Link Removed
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week 14
I've decided to add 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin and this only.
Why choose this composition?
Chiefly for two reasons,
1. It's also a natty which though there may be risk with such things, generally more folks will have less issues.
2. Though Follidrone is the only natty I've seen significant lean mass gains on, 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin is virtually the only natty, (sports nutrition) I've not tried.
Though the compound has produced nearly as many threads as deer antler if not as many laughs it is intriguing.
Someone I think it may have been kisaj mentioned he'd a bit of difficulty comprehending why everyone hadn't given Follidrone a go.
I would put 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin in this same category, 50mg of 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin orally 30 min. pre-workout and the results just as Follidrone are brilliant.
I ended up busting a cable rope at the handle today. I know there're folks here and other forums espousing they've seen no difference singularly with (-)-epi. One does wonder about things occasionally though, particularly when such evidence becomes apparent in personal usage if they're on the forums actually lifting and giving an unbiased account or simply for social purposes; not that there's anything especially wrong with that per se Invalid Link Removed
Week 15
What amazing natty compounds, needles in haystacks are hard to find; look how long it has taken for us to happen upon these.
Upped to 75mg of pure 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin 30 min. pre and noticed significant increase in strength.
Though the compound proffers no pump nor endurance evidence which is so prevalent amongst folks eating Follidrone the strength on all lifts, singularly compound movements is remarkable.
Overall physique not to mention sense of well being from manipulating these compositions is something I've not thought would ever be possible with nattys
Sup Whacked
week 16
deload
5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin is a quirky funky little composition. There is no doubt it works for strength. I've noticed great benefits to joints. It also has a nice effect on sense of well being. I wouldn't say it is from a test boost per se although there is more aggression there. Generally feeling well and energetic on the compound but not at all like caffeine.
It is simply not in the same league as Follidrone with its myostatin inhibition in regards to building lean mass, but then no natty is. In my opinion. 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin is though a league above all else out currently and works very well. In my opinion.
Unfortunately it affects my sleep in a negative way. After I upped the dose to 75mg sleep was severely impaired. When I dropped it down to 50mg sleep was better however still problematic.
Finally as at 25mg sleep is unaffected and still at this small dose I am noticing benefits although not nearly what I was on the upper dosages.
This week, an off week from Follidrone is much needed. I'll continue to take the 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin during off weeks.
Week 17
Laxogenin is a creeper you've really got to give it time to become acquainted with effects. I've realized that unlike Follidrone, Lax must be taken on an empty stomach for benefits.
I have been taking 25mg of Laxogenin upon awakening in the morning and 25mg 30 min. pre/wo and have been sleeping very well.
This week I would like to perhaps try a third 25mg sometime mid-day away from food.
The subtle nature of Laxogenin makes the composition a bit difficult to relay, and may seem contradictory at times. The most insightful way perhaps to characterize it is this feeling of youthfulness as if one were 18 again; feeling energetic, a bit aggressive, and sanguine. It decidedly impacts physique positively.
Combined with Follidrone there is a feeling of jackedness if you will throughout the day. Hunger is way up but gains continue to be of lean mass.
I did just want to mention I've had a shoulder issue where I've not been able to stretch my left arm flat to the ground behind me whilst on my back and now for the first time in three years I can.
I've been on Cissus, Gluc. Chond. M.S.M., UC-II for years as well so I'm attributing it to Laxogenin
week 18
Many times when a new product comes out there is hype among users, we are lucky to have stumbled on (-)-epi as something which works very well and is not hype. Personally I find when you have a great product like this it is easier to become motivated because of results.
I think those with conditions such as exercise induced asthma may benefit if they are mindful to not push their bodies or test the limits of the compound.
Concerning Lax it reminds me a bit of Ostarine in that it takes off quickly and fizzles with a bit of suppression. Unlike Ostarine though I enjoy the composition.
Mood is on and benefits to joints outstanding with Lax. For a month or 6 week run it is I think a nice compound to run, unlike MK-2866 I will run it again.
{Alternate dosing scheme}
3 months on 1 month off
week 19
concerning HIIT / Cardio if you decide to adhere to the alternate dosing scheme you may want to be mindful of pacing yourself when on cycle regarding cardio; the ability to push these to the outer limits will seem effortless. If you do this you'll pay a bit on the off month, simply put if you leave out the interval in HIIT when on cycle, you may find the intensity wanting when off.
Perhaps it is no secret, and a funny but curious phenomenon that some, to be quite frank simply rail a bit against this little composition.
I've been thinking it over; as to why this might be. Perhaps it stems from the educational system and the indoctrination of a rigidity which discourages kids from thinking outside the box.
Thus when those kids are older they have a bit of difficulty when there is any change in what they have come to perceive as the norm, the change in this comfort of listening to those they feel know, or simply thinking a bit outside the box.
week 20
Those bemoaning about the designer steroid act should count rare breakthroughs such as these with appreciation. Gains in second 3 months stacked upon gains of the first have an accumulative effect.
Some new to supplements perhaps may not understand the magnitude of the find or quite grasp the fact that since creatine nothing has had these kind of results for so many, but in the guise of one popular American sitcom some of us know what it's like to be without oranges for too long.
Down trodden post regarding the ingredient by those who've not in fact given it a go I find bemusing. Personally I hope this find gives encouragement in seeking out the "new and undiscovered"
week 21
After being on this compound for a bit of time now I feel I've got a fairly good handle on the nature of it's effects. To give some kind of reference point let's take creatine as an example. If one's diet, sleep, and workout sessions are sound, and creatine assist lean mass by 5%. All factors as the same (-)-epi over time perpetuates an additional 30% lean mass over and above what one would add.
week 22
deload
next week I will post weight gained on folli so far
TheMovement
Well-known member
mcc23
Active member
For those of you who've been complaining about "doms" and whatnot on Folli, try adding in some more Na+/K+ into your diets. Ime when I dose Folli, for some reason I drop a bit of water and my muscles feel more "cramped". I was getting this soreness as well, but it dissipated once I got more electrolytes in me.
TheMovement
Well-known member
I had a short bout of it on two separate occasions, increased calories and the problem ceased. Only worthwhile if really tracking your intake though
aceroni
Well-known member
Day two on folli
So far I've noticed:
Sickening pumps
Increased mind muscle connection
Haven't noticed increased strength, but I'm noticing that I have superior control of weights that I normally use, that they feel a little easier
Also I must add I just tweaked my QL in my lower back and I just got braces so my CNS is a little beat down, so I shouldn't be feeling stronger, but I'm feeling great
TheMovement
Well-known member
Running a log? Biggest difference on Folli IMO is the new levels your stabilizers can reach due to increased endurance and the thickness over time is undeniable. Just my .02 though
aceroni
Well-known member
Not running a log, super busy with life lately, can't even keep up with friends logs on here.
I just wanted to comment on my experience thus far.
Quick question, do you guys.take folli on off days
aceroni
Well-known member
Biggest thing I noticed today is that my strength doesn't fizzle out after my fourth or fifth set of a movement.
I feel just as strong as set one, sometimes stronger bc now my CNS is "awake" and firing
brundel
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Give it some time on tue strength side.
The added pumo and endurance just lets you know its working already. Strength comes.
Weight comes depending on food intake.
Follidrone increases protein synthesis so more of the protein you eat will become muscle.
You dont get as much or any intracellular glycogen or water retention like you would with steroids so est up if you want to get larger.
aceroni
Well-known member
Thanks for the reply. I'm on day six and where I notice the endurance is at the top end of my sets.
As to say I don't hit failure as quickly. I get painful pumps but I can just push through them.
Weights are feeling easier.
Mind you I just strained my lower back badly so I haven't been able to squat or dead lift heavy for two weeks.. but my pressing is feeling really strong.
Also I've noticed a nice change in body composition.
Looking bigger and fuller and even a little sharper
brundel
Board Sponsor
Even now that its been months since I released Follidrone I stil enjoy seeing all the people talking about how well it works for them.
Such a great product.
IM working on ways to improve it.
We tried some absorption enhancement. So far 1 of 3 we tried worked very well but it makes people nauseated at every dose we tried.
We also tried some transdermal applications but it turns out that 1 (-)-epicatechin degrades after just a few days in any carrier leaving it worthless. So transdermal (-)-epicatechin is not possible as the active ingredient would not be present by the time you got the bottle.
Im still looking into other applications for it though.
Such a great product.
IM working on ways to improve it.
We tried some absorption enhancement. So far 1 of 3 we tried worked very well but it makes people nauseated at every dose we tried.
We also tried some transdermal applications but it turns out that 1 (-)-epicatechin degrades after just a few days in any carrier leaving it worthless. So transdermal (-)-epicatechin is not possible as the active ingredient would not be present by the time you got the bottle.
Im still looking into other applications for it though.
Todd Garner
Member
Follidrone and Formeron stack starts today.
TheMovement
Well-known member
Post a link to the log if ya start one
Touey
Well-known member
Invalid Link Removed Originally Posted by Touey Invalid Link Removed
I started Follidrone after being on nothing else for months other than a basic pre-workout; speaking to sports nutrition
supplements not the normal supplements I take for health.
Strength-pumps-endurance all up 40% first 3 weeks. I am in week 4 and noticing my body is wanting to go but the previous 3 weeks has taken a toll and I feel my body needs to catch up.
I've had to reorganize my routine the biggest thing being limiting shoulders to once a week instead of Tue. and
Fri. some of the worst doms ever but in a good way. I don't notice anything from the egcg. I am going to stop taking it
altogether.I feel that week 5 will be brilliant because I think my body will have "caught up". This supplement is
transfomative on body composition - I check the scale every six months but gaining while leaning is what's happening,
I'm very adept in sensing what is going on with my body.
the fun thing about the product though are the unbelievable workouts, seriously shocked after some of these sessions when I muse over what 2 little marginal half filled caps provide
update on feelings about week 5
after recovering in week four, week 5 is on par with the first 3 weeks, difference being weight lifted in first 3 weeks now is even lighter... going up with ease, having now to add more weight. Body recomp. with this supplement continues to be brilliant
In an effort to keep some semblance of continuity, feelings about week 6
there has been so far no diminishing of positive results - most notable about week 6, weight lifted has increased the most dramatically of all the weeks so far, I believe all the extra calories consumed to keep up with the demand on the body are important to note... don't be afraid to eat on this stuff, what's brilliant is the continuation of virtually all gain being lean mass. In all seriousness never thought the amount of weight lifted would be possible on a natty alone
week 7
there has been not the slightest abatement in any of the positives aforementioned. Of special note, now workouts are becoming more singular; calf day has become a day unto its own the intensity is such on that one area that's enough of a workout, and indeed I feel like I've been through a thorough workout at that, whereas I've never before had a single day devoted to calves and had the kind of intensity I do now.
Concerning body composition really seeing the results now in week 7 more than in any other so far, in a way I wish I'd taken before and after simply for documentaries sake. One thing I've felt which ought perhaps to be mentioned is the nice way which the compound's profound effect on workouts helps wellness and generally feeling better throughout the weeks I've been on, although as we all know taking this compound in this fashion is relatively new and I am not saying there may not occur some negative side from taking this long term in the future.
week 8
I was wondering if the same thing that happened in week 4 would happen in week 8 and it has. Same as in week four "body is wanting to go but the previous 3 weeks has taken a toll and I feel my body needs to catch up"
it's been light weights and high reps week 8. I don't like it, but there we are, when something is really working you'll notice this. Otherwise all your workouts would be the same no ups and downs but also no growth; it will interesting to see if the rebound into week 9 is of the same magnitude as that into week 5
week 8.5
Tentative Follidrone dosing scheme
week 1 - on
week 2- on
week3 - on
week4 - off "no Follidrone" - very light weight; don't workout the body parts which are sore at all
week 5- on
week 6- on
week 7- on
week 8- off ......
week 9-on
week 10-on
week 11-on
week 12-off
week 13-on
week 14-on
week 15-on
week 16 -off
etc.
I find Follidrone works quite fast felt it upon starting, I believe giving your body a break every forth week is crucial on this.
A break from Follidrone during this week will be the ideal time, I am confident that you will keep the gains made from the previous three weeks during these forth week breaks.
I think this is perhaps the ideal way to dose Follidrone. I don't think the forth week is necessarily "the week" for everyone to take off. It may be every fifth week etc. for you.
i.e. the dosing protocol needn't be "every 4th week" for some the deload / break from follidrone may be the 8th week....on seven weeks off every 8th week, everyone is different...your body will let you know the week believe me.Invalid Link Removed
For me it happens to be the forth, I've found my body needs a deload week / break from Follidrone
"Do I feel like taking that week off was mainly about physically recovering from the increased volume/intensity during the follidrone phase, or did stopping the follidrone during that time also allow you to avoid any tolerance and remain more sensitive to its effects?" --both
week 9
"it will interesting to see if the rebound into week 9 is of the same magnitude as that into week 5"
Honestly it took a bit of patience having to wait and see if Follidrone would rebound in week 9 as in week five.
In the back of my mind I knew there was a chance the dosing scheme would not work, hence the reason I used words like tentative and confident instead of certain or sure. It has worked though just as in week 5.
I am up roughly 30% in actual weight able to lift now in week 9 from week 1, transformative recomp, still way less HIIT than normal as the workouts on it are such that I've had to cut HIIT way down to get my resting heart rate to normal. The hunger at the end of deload week 8 was very high.
week 10
The longer I'm on the more I've noticed you needn't get overly concerned with lifting high amounts of weight to build loads muscle on Follidrone. Pay attention to form, focus, use variation techniques and you'll do very well building substantial muscle on this.
week 11
I have never seriously recommended anything because no difference has been made much by any natty for me, maybe the little pump from agmatine etc.
I am tempted to have these caps tested because it does not feel natty to me. If the integrity of the quality for
the product does not slip and the exact same ingredient in the same dosages are continued on the same as that
which I am taking now it will be something I will always keep on hand
the aforementioned initial post has remained true, the integrity has indeed not slipped even if it may have been easy to have let it in efforts to bring raws to market fast of lesser quality, I've only used Folloidrone (-)-epi;
the various reviews made under my name for (-)-epi or other products are fictionalized by I know not whom. I've never formerly reviewed a product on NP nor any other supplement store site.
nearly 3 months in and the evaluation of good dry muscle tissue is exceptional. The progression made with the compound is such that each week diminishing returns are virtually non-existent, as long as I've taken the week break from (-)-epi during each deload week.
A negative factor if indeed it would be such is an inability to keep up with HIIT due to the extra time spent in workout sessions, intensity, general volume. I've had to restrict HIIT by half to get my resting heart rate to normal
week 12 -3 Months
An overview of 3 months on Follidrone puts to mind one very key thing; after 3 Months of taking any compound generally ones enthusiasm abates a bit.
However upon seeing such cumulative results such as finding muscles one knew not were there, increased appetite; more the past week than in the whole run, yet still gaining whilst leaning it's not difficult to remain curious.
This is deload / break from Follidrone week I've slept, then slept, and slept some more; 10 hours last night, 9 the previous.
I am afraid if you do not assimilate this much needed protocol of breaking from Follidrone during these deloads it will be a bit like spinning your wheels; the bodies not a machine contrary to what some may think. You can't simply keep adding more fuel expecting it to remain at high speeds.
the composition itself does not cause hunger, the appetite increase is simply a response of the body in an effort to fulfill the demands placed on it from the results of (-)-epi
week 13
It is always nice to be back after deloading. I've wondered if the great feeling after workouts is attributed to the composition itself or the great workouts which Follidrone results in.
After over 3 months and thinking about what would help folks in understanding long term dosing and how one may get a better handle on Follidrone; a better understanding of the composition. I think it is important to note with any composition you've got to change up your training.
Why is there so much turn over on these forums? People become interested in "bodybuilding" reach a peak hit PRs plateau then become discouraged finally giving up.
What makes it worse is the ads and marketing slogans, "Become a machine, not to be used unless you're a bodybuilder! top secret formula explosive gains!" Combined with reckless post / advise
The reality is it takes more patience than many things such as golf and even chess. It is no sprint rather a marathon. Constantly chasing PRs, continually using the same routine and expecting new lean gains all the time will get you no where.
I don't mean you've got to create totally new routines, slight variations will do well; different challenging angles even if there be a drop in volume.
This is the way to go about creating a physique that will continue to change and advance through the years.
Although it indeed takes patience, it's something which may benefit throughout ones life if understood properly.
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week 14
I've decided to add 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin and this only.
Why choose this composition?
Chiefly for two reasons,
1. It's also a natty which though there may be risk with such things, generally more folks will have less issues.
2. Though Follidrone is the only natty I've seen significant lean mass gains on, 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin is virtually the only natty, (sports nutrition) I've not tried.
Though the compound has produced nearly as many threads as deer antler if not as many laughs it is intriguing.
Someone I think it may have been kisaj mentioned he'd a bit of difficulty comprehending why everyone hadn't given Follidrone a go.
I would put 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin in this same category, 50mg of 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin orally 30 min. pre-workout and the results just as Follidrone are brilliant.
I ended up busting a cable rope at the handle today. I know there're folks here and other forums espousing they've seen no difference singularly with (-)-epi. One does wonder about things occasionally though, particularly when such evidence becomes apparent in personal usage if they're on the forums actually lifting and giving an unbiased account or simply for social purposes; not that there's anything especially wrong with that per se Invalid Link Removed
Week 15
What amazing natty compounds, needles in haystacks are hard to find; look how long it has taken for us to happen upon these.
Upped to 75mg of pure 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin 30 min. pre and noticed significant increase in strength.
Though the compound proffers no pump nor endurance evidence which is so prevalent amongst folks eating Follidrone the strength on all lifts, singularly compound movements is remarkable.
Overall physique not to mention sense of well being from manipulating these compositions is something I've not thought would ever be possible with nattys
week 16
deload
5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin is a quirky funky little composition. There is no doubt it works for strength. I've noticed great benefits to joints. It also has a nice effect on sense of well being. I wouldn't say it is from a test boost per se although there is more aggression there. Generally feeling well and energetic on the compound but not at all like caffeine.
It is simply not in the same league as Follidrone with its myostatin inhibition in regards to building lean mass, but then no natty is. In my opinion. 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin is though a league above all else out currently and works very well. In my opinion.
Unfortunately it affects my sleep in a negative way. After I upped the dose to 75mg sleep was severely impaired. When I dropped it down to 50mg sleep was better however still problematic.
Finally as at 25mg sleep is unaffected and still at this small dose I am noticing benefits although not nearly what I was on the upper dosages.
This week, an off week from Follidrone is much needed. I'll continue to take the 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin during off weeks.
Week 17
Laxogenin is a creeper you've really got to give it time to become acquainted with effects. I've realized that unlike Follidrone, Lax must be taken on an empty stomach for benefits.
I have been taking 25mg of Laxogenin upon awakening in the morning and 25mg 30 min. pre/wo and have been sleeping very well.
This week I would like to perhaps try a third 25mg sometime mid-day away from food.
The subtle nature of Laxogenin makes the composition a bit difficult to relay, and may seem contradictory at times. The most insightful way perhaps to characterize it is this feeling of youthfulness as if one were 18 again; feeling energetic, a bit aggressive, and sanguine. It decidedly impacts physique positively.
Combined with Follidrone there is a feeling of jackedness if you will throughout the day. Hunger is way up but gains continue to be of lean mass.
I did just want to mention I've had a shoulder issue where I've not been able to stretch my left arm flat to the ground behind me whilst on my back and now for the first time in three years I can.
I've been on Cissus, Gluc. Chond. M.S.M., UC-II for years as well so I'm attributing it to Laxogenin
week 18
Many times when a new product comes out there is hype among users, we are lucky to have stumbled on (-)-epi as something which works very well and is not hype. Personally I find when you have a great product like this it is easier to become motivated because of results.
I think those with conditions such as exercise induced asthma may benefit if they are mindful to not push their bodies or test the limits of the compound.
Concerning Lax it reminds me a bit of Ostarine in that it takes off quickly and fizzles with a bit of suppression. Unlike Ostarine though I enjoy the composition.
Mood is on and benefits to joints outstanding with Lax. For a month or 6 week run it is I think a nice compound to run, unlike MK-2866 I will run it again.
{Alternate dosing scheme}
3 months on 1 month off
week 19
concerning HIIT / Cardio if you decide to adhere to the alternate dosing scheme you may want to be mindful of pacing yourself when on cycle regarding cardio; the ability to push these to the outer limits will seem effortless. If you do this you'll pay a bit on the off month, simply put if you leave out the interval in HIIT when on cycle, you may find the intensity wanting when off.
Perhaps it is no secret, and a funny but curious phenomenon that some, to be quite frank simply rail a bit against this little composition.
I've been thinking it over; as to why this might be. Perhaps it stems from the educational system and the indoctrination of a rigidity which discourages kids from thinking outside the box.
Thus when those kids are older they have a bit of difficulty when there is any change in what they have come to perceive as the norm, the change in this comfort of listening to those they feel know, or simply thinking a bit outside the box.
week 20
Those bemoaning about the designer steroid act should count rare breakthroughs such as these with appreciation. Gains in second 3 months stacked upon gains of the first have an accumulative effect.
Some new to supplements perhaps may not understand the magnitude of the find or quite grasp the fact that since creatine nothing has had these kind of results for so many, but in the guise of one popular American sitcom some of us know what it's like to be without oranges for too long.
Down trodden post regarding the ingredient by those who've not in fact given it a go I find bemusing. Personally I hope this find gives encouragement in seeking out the "new and undiscovered"
week 21
After being on this compound for a bit of time now I feel I've got a fairly good handle on the nature of it's effects. To give some kind of reference point let's take creatine as an example. If one's diet, sleep, and workout sessions are sound, and creatine assist lean mass by 5%. All factors as the same (-)-epi over time perpetuates an additional 30% lean mass over and above what one would add.
week 22
deload
next week I will post weight gained on folli so far
weeks 23 & 24
205 upon starting the log and 217 at 8% body fat, I know that mayn't sound like much but it is not easy for me to put on lean mass, I am pleased with the way folli is working so far.
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
So 12 pounds of lbm in 6 months? That sounds fantastic to me.
Touey
Well-known member
yes this week makes 6 months on excluding brief time off in accordance with the dosing scheme
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
Right on.
koi1214
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weeks 23 & 24
205 upon starting the log and 217 at 8% body fat, I know that mayn't sound like much but it is not so easy for me to put on lean mass, I am pleased with the way folli is working so far.
+12lbs. for a natty product
week 25
freaky effect of follidrone; adding significant amounts of muscle without continued significant increase in actual weight lifted
Nice
Week 26
Perhaps the problem is the myostatin inhibition in that the joints simply can't handle the load all the new muscle is ready for. While folli is in my opinion exceptional with strengthening supportive muscles one may need to be extra mindful of not damaging joint tissue.
Maybe add some Cissus or extra fish oil?
205 upon starting the log and 217 at 8% body fat, I know that mayn't sound like much but it is not so easy for me to put on lean mass, I am pleased with the way folli is working so far.
+12lbs. for a natty product
week 25
freaky effect of follidrone; adding significant amounts of muscle without continued significant increase in actual weight lifted
Nice
Week 26
Perhaps the problem is the myostatin inhibition in that the joints simply can't handle the load all the new muscle is ready for. While folli is in my opinion exceptional with strengthening supportive muscles one may need to be extra mindful of not damaging joint tissue.
Maybe add some Cissus or extra fish oil?
brundel
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Yah bro you can run it 365 days a year. No negative sides and all of the benefits your experiencing. Stoked your enjoying my my friend
I have more natty anabolics on the way as well. Super interesting stuff. We will be running trials here soon.