ultra epi has 450mg epiandrosterone per dose...28 doses per bottle
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yeah, i don't think anyone else is even in the neighborhood of 450mg dose for a transdermal.That is a sweet deal! Ultra Hard is next though on my soon to buy list..
Iconic doesn’t mess around when it comes to dosing...I like that!
At the moment, I am running the Test Recovery Stack- really enjoying that combo!yeah, i don't think anyone else is even in the neighborhood of 450mg dose for a transdermal.
ultra hard is good stuff, you will like it---it's great for libido.
you da man ricky!!!!At the moment, I am running the Test Recovery Stack- really enjoying that combo!
Sometimes I substitute Dermacrine for for the SA. Who am I kidding, I just do all of it daily. You know me..
I’m never shy with my supplements!
Wicked bad!you da man ricky!!!!
i haven't seen any that dose even comes close...and for $40-lots of bang for the buck!!!Such a nice deal .. cant beat that price for a 12,600mg in Topical
i think you are right .. next highest i see if 7.6Gi haven't seen any that dose even comes close...and for $40-lots of bang for the buck!!!
lol, thats not even in the same ballpark.i think you are right .. next highest i see if 7.6G
Oh, definitely do both. Or consider Ultra Hard with Alpha Four.Was considering this or running some alpha 4 I already have...
can't believe you have never ran 4-andro before....you are in for a real treat with the alpha four-that stuff is libido central for me, and even better when stacked with ultra hard or ultra epi!!!!Oh, definitely do both. Or consider Ultra Hard with Alpha Four.
I actually have some Alpha Four here myself that I just recently purchased. I have already been dabbling around with that myself to be honest, as I have never used any 4-Andro products.
I am also considering Icon One with Alpha Four
I guess what I’m saying is that I want to stack everything in the black series...haha! There are just too many choices and stacking combinations that it makes it hard to decide. But stacking is the way to go!
for $40 you can't go wrong with the ultra epi....it's very mild and the shutdown should be very minimal compared to other hormonals.I don’t think I want to mix them... three PHs might shut me down pretty bad. I’m not on trt. I was going to do a low dose of either alpha four or epi, just want to aid in some body fat loss. But I don’t want to crash myself or what not.
How low of a dose? If it’s too low, it wouldn’t really be worth it as it would suppress you anyway and getting suppressed without getting much in terms of results isn’t worth it. Moderate dose of ostarine would likely work out better tbh. Moderate as in 10-20 mg a day.I don’t think I want to mix them... three PHs might shut me down pretty bad. I’m not on trt. I was going to do a low dose of either alpha four or epi, just want to aid in some body fat loss. But I don’t want to crash myself or what not.
epi would shut you down less than alpha 4?How low of a dose? If it’s too low, it wouldn’t really be worth it as it would suppress you anyway and getting suppressed without getting much in terms of results isn’t worth it. Moderate dose of ostarine would likely work out better tbh. Moderate as in 10-20 mg a day.
In doses that would illicit “meaningful” effects/results, I would expect suppression. Getting “meaningful” effects/results is a factor of dose x time.epi would shut you down less than alpha 4?
That would be why you might consider adding in the 4-DHEA (alpha four) and perhaps a little regular DHEA. They can both assist in the lethargy and libido department.Yeah I guess I should rephrase it to loss of libido, lethargy makes more sense...
Dermacrine is a great way to aid in cycles. This can be used with epi and 4 or combined with all 3.That would be why you might consider adding in the 4-DHEA (alpha four) and perhaps a little regular DHEA. They can both assist in the lethargy and libido department.
Yeah, I hear ya..I don’t think I want to mix them... three PHs might shut me down pretty bad. I’m not on trt. I was going to do a low dose of either alpha four or epi, just want to aid in some body fat loss. But I don’t want to crash myself or what not.
aman, take my advice and just run the ultra epi at recommended dose i think you will enjoy the results.Yeah I guess I should rephrase it to loss of libido, lethargy makes more sense...
This does seem like the best option for him at this time given his comfort level and current goals. Unless of course he doesn’t mind paying a little more $$ for Ultra Hardaman, take my advice and just run the ultra epi at recommended dose i think you will enjoy the results.
How are you liking the 11? I have a couple bottles waiting to useI just started the Ultra epi the other day! Still on the Ultra 11 too. Going to be a great summer!!
ultra epi or alpha four? I have alpha four already.aman, take my advice and just run the ultra epi at recommended dose i think you will enjoy the results.
spend the $40 and run ultra epi alpha four together.ultra epi or alpha four? I have alpha four already.
spend the $40 and run ultra epi alpha four together.ultra epi or alpha four? I have alpha four already.
the combination of alpha four and ultra epi WILL INCREASE LIBIDO!!!Also which would be less harsh on libido? Again someone not on trt.
may libido is naturally above average. This won’t be too many phs and cause me to crash?spend the $40 and run ultra epi alpha four together.
the combination of alpha four and ultra epi WILL INCREASE LIBIDO!!!
I don’t think I want to mix them... three PHs might shut me down pretty bad. I’m not on trt. I was going to do a low dose of either alpha four or epi, just want to aid in some body fat loss. But I don’t want to crash myself or what not.
If you truly just want a product to mainly help with body fat loss, there are many non-hormonal and less hormonal options out there. You may want to consider what your biggest obstacle is right now in losing fat, and what your current body fat percentage is. What is holding you back? Hormonal, stress, diet, training, lack of energy...etc.? Then choose a product that is geared toward addressing your obstacles.may libido is naturally above average. This won’t be too many phs and cause me to crash?
that’s very good advice. My only goals are fat loss and strength gain. I actually did a month of alpha four and pct with 25 mg clomid ED for a month with 3 pumps sustain alpha and m test for two months and was fine. I only used 3 pumps of alpha four though. My main worry with using that and ultra epi is it would be too much and things would “stop working” lol.If you truly just want a product to mainly help with body fat loss, there are many non-hormonal and less hormonal options out there. You may want to consider what your biggest obstacle is right now in losing fat, and what your current body fat percentage is. What is holding you back? Hormonal, stress, diet, training, lack of energy...etc.? Then choose a product that is geared toward addressing your obstacles.
If you determine these prohormones are appropriate for you and are willing to risk a degree of suppression, go with Alpha-4 as well as Ultra Epi, and just use a SERM after. If the threat of suppression is something that is going to stress you out too much, then you would probably be better off not going down this road.
What kind of results did you get using Alpha 4 for 1 month? I always use things at least 8 weeks if it is still going well. I’m curious about the Alpha 4 as this is my first time using it, and I don’t see much feedbpack on people using it solo.that’s very good advice. My only goals are fat loss and strength gain. I actually did a month of alpha four and pct with 25 mg clomid ED for a month with 3 pumps sustain alpha and m test for two months and was fine. I only used 3 pumps of alpha four though. My main worry with using that and ultra epi is it would be too much and things would “stop working” lol.
It was actually pretty good. Definitely noticed some leaning out, I felt great until the end of week 4 but that could have been just a mental thing. So I stopped taking it and went to pct. I just did 3 pumps with nothing else. My issue is I seem to feel like crap when I mix PHs...What kind of results did you get using Alpha 4 for 1 month? I always use things at least 8 weeks if it is still going well. I’m curious about the Alpha 4 as this is my first time using it, and I don’t see much feedbpack on people using it solo.
I think we have all had that worry in the back of our heads at one point or another. Obviously, nobody can predict any of that for you, but it would be VERY unlikely that adding in Ultra Epi with Alpha Four
would change your PCT/recovery experience to a significant degree at all.
Nice! Sounds like you didn’t have any issue with an abundance of conversion to estrogen. What else have you mixed?It was actually pretty good. Definitely noticed some leaning out, I felt great until the end of week 4 but that could have been just a mental thing. So I stopped taking it and went to pct. I just did 3 pumps with nothing else. My issue is I seem to feel like crap when I mix PHs...
my left nipple was a bit tender but that’s about it. Other than that no issues... I have had bad reactions to androsterone before though... reason my concern for taking alpha four (which has 4 and androsterone in it) plus epi too...Nice! Sounds like you didn’t have any issue with an abundance of conversion to estrogen. What else have you mixed?
You would be hard pressed to find anyone regretting mixing in epiandro with virtually any cycle. Particularly when speaking of 4-Andro- in which case it’s the like peanut butter and jellly.
Really depends on dose and reaction. I have an issue with some PH and jaw pain. At certain doses I’m good. Higher and it’s an issues. It’s really trial and error.my left nipple was a bit tender but that’s about it. Other than that no issues... I have had bad reactions to androsterone before though... reason my concern for taking alpha four (which has 4 and androsterone in it) plus epi too...
yeah I was doing 200 mg transdermal androsterone and 600 mg oral epi and it completely shut me down within a week... never felt worse...Really depends on dose and reaction. I have an issue with some PH and jaw pain. At certain doses I’m good. Higher and it’s an issues. It’s really trial and error.
Alpha gainz has a great epi that’s pills if you are better off with that route. You can use code chef there for a discount. Not sure if @thebigt code works there.yeah I was doing 200 mg transdermal androsterone and 600 mg oral epi and it completely shut me down within a week... never felt worse...
I think it was the transdermal androsterone as I’ve taken oral epi before... could have just been too much of both together too.Alpha gainz has a great epi that’s pills if you are better off with that route. You can use code chef there for a discount. Not sure if @thebigt code works there.
yeah I was doing 200 mg transdermal androsterone and 600 mg oral epi and it completely shut me down within a week... never felt worse...
That does seem quite strange. Like @thebigt was saying, I bet you would do well sparing yourself from trying to make something work for you. There are some great non prohormone products out there...yeah I was doing 200 mg transdermal androsterone and 600 mg oral epi and it completely shut me down within a week... never felt worse...
to be honest it just doesn't make sense to keep repeating something that didn't work and expecting different results.That does seem quite strange. Like @thebigt was saying, I bet you would do well sparing yourself from trying to make something work for you. There are some great non prohormone products out there...
I wasn’t planning on it haha... that’s why I was considering using up my remaining alpha four... but it’s weird because I’ve taken epi plenty in pill form with no adverse issues... maybe it wasn’t getting absorbed or something?to be honest it just doesn't make sense to keep repeating something that didn't work and expecting different results.
So, not trying to be rude, and we certainly want to help.I wasn’t planning on it haha... that’s why I was considering using up my remaining alpha four... but it’s weird because I’ve taken epi plenty in pill form with no adverse issues... maybe it wasn’t getting absorbed or something?
You guys did help I appreciate it. I mainly just look to see reviews and how these products treated others... fun thing is I haven’t had a bad reaction to any iconic formulations products so far, but when trying other companies that use the same ph I have...So, not trying to be rude, and we certainly want to help.
At this point though, I’m not really sure how we can do that
thank you for the kind words...you should subscribe to the iconic newsletter and get notified about special sales and deals that you won't always find here on the AM forum.You guys did help I appreciate it. I mainly just look to see reviews and how these products treated others... fun thing is I haven’t had a bad reaction to any iconic formulations products so far, but when trying other companies that use the same ph I have...