i can see you gaining quite a bit on shoulders/chest/arms in next 8 weeks--certainly, and for shore.
I hope to see it too!i can see you gaining quite a bit on shoulders/chest/arms in next 8 weeks--certainly, and for shore.
Great info cheers.I suspect some lighter guys might get enough effect with 50mg/day split into 2 doses, but for me 75mg was minimum and 100mg was better, split into 3 doses of 50/25/25. 125mg felt like too much. I was weighing ~220s at the time, & this was orally. TD I would expect to need less total mg.
I feel it’s rather similar to Proviron in dosing and effects, with the addition of the physical changes like pumps/glycogen storage. Like a mildly anabolic Proviron.
Good base for people to followI suspect some lighter guys might get enough effect with 50mg/day split into 2 doses, but for me 75mg was minimum and 100mg was better, split into 3 doses of 50/25/25. 125mg felt like too much. I was weighing ~220s at the time, & this was orally. TD I would expect to need less total mg.
I feel it’s rather similar to Proviron in dosing and effects, with the addition of the physical changes like pumps/glycogen storage. Like a mildly anabolic Proviron.
Me too! Things are starting out much faster than my experience with oral administration so it has me pretty excited where this is going!Glad it is treating you well.
Welcome aboard!Been interested in picking up some Icon One for myself. Hopping on the follow train to see where this goes!
I thought for sure the first time around I had gotten all the crystals dealt with and that they wouldn't spring back up on me but who knows. Like I said though, no big deal to me, if it happens again I know the fix and it only took maybe 15min.glad you got it taken care of so easily, i've not had any issue with my bottle of 3-ad.
Thanks dude! It's off to a good start at a week and a half!Subbed. Hope your run goes well.
man, it's going to get a lot better!!!Thanks dude! It's off to a good start at a week and a half!
M1A!! Start that ishMaybe I'll just go full tilt with the bulk and chomp down a bottle of M1A.
@delsolrob said he will have some ultra eleven coming soon...i would snatch some up while they last....a good idea is to sign up for the email notifications.I'd go with finishing your current run and then using the 11-KT later.
My body responds well to 11-KT. Even without a dialed in diet, I was able to harden up, get somewhat lean. Had I stayed on point, I would have reaped its benefits that much more.
Have yet to try oral epiandro myself, but I've seen/heard many many times that a good dose is 600 - 1 000 mg a day. Some have went higher, but typically a gram (or 900 mg with the caps you have) is plenty. The 600 mg seems to be a minimum effective dose though for many. But I understand the 300 mg to try it out and that's what I would do aswell.206.9#
Things are moving right along.
Traded for some epiandro that should arrive in the next few days. A bottle each of CEL Stano-plex and Muscle Addiction Epiandro Lean.
Stano-Plex
300mg epiandro
300mg VASO6
Epi Lean
300mg epiandro
225mg KSM-66
50mg Paradoxine
As of now I'm looking at starting with a single cap of Stano-plex pre-workout. I'm not sure yet if I will dose everyday or just workout days. If I go for everyday I'm thinking a cap of Lean daily and a cap of Stano pwo. If I only do workout days I may do a cap of each pwo.
Anybody have any dosage suggestions? I haven't used epiandro before so I will start with a single cap regardless to see how it treats me. Excited to give it a try!
the alpha stano caps sold at alpha gainz are by far the best oral epi i've tried-by far!!!!Have yet to try oral epiandro myself, but I've seen/heard many many times that a good dose is 600 - 1 000 mg a day. Some have went higher, but typically a gram (or 900 mg with the caps you have) is plenty. The 600 mg seems to be a minimum effective dose though for many. But I understand the 300 mg to try it out and that's what I would do aswell.
I had good luck with Epichaos myself. I was dosing it in the AM and not pwo but will give that a try in the future. Right now I'm using Aggressive Labz Epi 325the alpha stano caps sold at alpha gainz are by far the best oral epi i've tried-by far!!!!
if looking for epicatechin go with epichaos by apex, **** blows away oral epicatechin.
When did you feel the effects kick in?204.6#
Decided to bump the 3AD up to 75mg this morning. We'll see how this dose treats me for a while. I have a bottle of Swole Patrol oral 3AD on hand of I need to add it on after the second bottle of TD.
Staying lean and looking and feeling fuller. There's definitely something going on!
It was only a couple days for the initial effects, mood, energy, libido etc. Probably about middle of second week to start seeing some changes in the mirror.When did you feel the effects kick in?
when i got lethargy on my 1st run of icon one alpha seven[androsterone]really helped.The last few days it feels like the lethargy is setting in a bit hence the bump in dosage. It will be interesting to see if that will subside after a couple days of increased 3AD. This onset of lethargy is earlier than with oral 1-andro which set in about week 4 but the noticeable changes also came on a week or two earlier so it makes sense.
I will ride 75mg 3AD for a few days and see how the lethargy is. If it persists I will probably add in epiandro starting at 300mg to test tolerance and then bump to 600mg.
Thanks for the tip, I might give androsterone a try if I can't get it solved with what I have around.when i got lethargy on my 1st run of icon one alpha seven[androsterone]really helped.
have you gained any more size?
yeah, i ran my 1st bottle of icon one solo and added the alpha seven[androsterone]in on 5th week...the difference was substantial.Thanks for the tip, I might give androsterone a try if I can't get it solved with what I have around.
I think so? I'll try to get a decent picture tonight and maybe you guys can look with a more objective eye.
I expected the 3AD to keep it at bay. If no change in the next couple days I may go ahead and bump it to 100mg before adding the epiandro to see what that does.yeah, i ran my 1st bottle of icon one solo and added the alpha seven[androsterone]in on 5th week...the difference was substantial.
i tried a sample of the upcoming iconic formulations all out-sweat preworkout....i think you will like it-i did!!!206#
Got some deads and pull accessory in tonight. Everything feels tight, full, vascular. Really enjoying these compounds with a nice pump pwo stack:
1 scoop SNS Energized Aminos
1 scoop Purus Labs Noxygen
5g ON creatine mono
1 cap SNS VASO6
1 cap Aggressive Labz EPI 325+
1 cap Gainbusters Special Forces
Definitely looked and felt enhanced at the end of tonight's workout. Til now things have been good but this might be the peak so far. Can probably give some credit to the doubled up 3AD. We gon' ride it right here for now.
I would but the beta alanine makes it a no go for me. Don't mind the tingles but I get borderline hives at doses as low as 800mg. I have given up on it.i tried a sample of the upcoming iconic formulations all out-sweat preworkout....i think you will like it-i did!!!
also bare in mind the difference between transdermal and oral....Aggression/ bp at 125mg+ was not worth it. I found myself getting really short with my wife for no reason. Bare in mind I did not run this solo. However, 100mg was perfect.
So are you saying it should take less using td? Seems that 100mg td is on par with 100mg oral from the few logs I’ve been followingalso bare in mind the difference between transdermal and oral....
have you personally used both? i haven't either....but from my experience transdermal delivery has always been superior to oral---since oral is more convenient why would there even be transdermal if it wasn't a superior delivery?So are you saying it should take less using td? Seems that 100mg td is on par with 100mg oral from the few logs I’ve been following
I’m just asking. No I haven’t. For me I’m guessing I won’t even need to go to 100mg td. Do you think it’s twice as powerful? Again I’m just asking before I run it in June.have you personally used both? i haven't either....but from my experience transdermal delivery has always been superior to oral---since oral is more convenient why would there even be transdermal if it wasn't a superior delivery?
i don't know...what i do know is i'm doing well at 1ml transdermal 50mg.....everything i've ever ran that i've ran both transdermally and orally the transdermal has been significantly stronger at same dose-imo, at least twice as strong.I’m just asking. No I haven’t. For me I’m guessing I won’t even need to go to 100mg td. Do you think it’s twice as powerful? Again I’m just asking before I run it in June.
Exact same for me with 125mg oral - just felt too on edge/aggressive/anxious. 100mg is great and I preferred it over 75mg oral. But that was in a stack with NO testosterone and very low estrogen, so it could well have been too much at even 100 for me if I’d had more androstanes in the picture.Aggression/ bp at 125mg+ was not worth it. I found myself getting really short with my wife for no reason. Bare in mind I did not run this solo. However, 100mg was perfect.
Aggression/ bp at 125mg+ was not worth it. I found myself getting really short with my wife for no reason. Bare in mind I did not run this solo. However, 100mg was perfect.
Thanks guys! I'm not feeling any of that at 100mg td, at least not yet.Exact same for me with 125mg oral - just felt too on edge/aggressive/anxious. 100mg is great and I preferred it over 75mg oral. But that was in a stack with NO testosterone and very low estrogen, so it could well have been too much at even 100 for me if I’d had more androstanes in the picture.