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Wondering has anyone had rhis happen to them. Back in the day i used to tolerate all kinds of greasy and fatty food, used to love pizza, carbonara etc.

But lately, especially since this year, as i have meddled with some anabolics, i firmly decided to drastically cut my saturated fat intake and change my diet for the healthier.

I basically stopped eating any type of cream, cheese (except low fat cottage cheese), dont eat any kind of ham, eggs, greasy sauces i avoid like plague. Red meat i only eat very lean cuts and maybe 1x per week (tbh this isnt that bad for lipid profile compared to other things listed but i just dont lioe meat very much) I also started eating more vegetables, and i make sure i eat fruit every day.

I find that when i occasionally have a higher fat meal (for example whenwe go to a family gathering) i feel extremely sick to my stomach afterwards. I mean, i cant even look at greasy food.

Not that i mind, i decided to make positive dietary changes for life, just wondering has anyone else had that happen, that their body kinda adapted to lower fat intake and now cant handle greasy food?
 
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Could be mild biliary obstruction if you were playing with methyls. Also, not so sure cutting sat fats would help, maybe the opposite actually.

Have you tried taking TUDCA or Taurine to clear things out? Or have you tried taking Lecithin with fatty meals? I know a few people who had their gall bladders removed and experienced the same symptoms, but they both received relief with Lecithin caps.
 

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I don't see it as much more than you are eating much more clean and your body essentially doesn't want the "bad". I stopped all the crap food, sweets sugar etc. about 10 years ago. I don't crave it at all and just sometimes the thought about eating a big candy bar or fast food calorie bomb is enough to turn my stomach at times.
 
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Yeah, at first as I read your description I was thinking pancreatitis or a liver thing - but it sounds like a normal psychological response to me. Humans tend to value/enjoy things that they are used to more. We overrate that with which we are familiar.

If you hear new music, and it is similar to the music you are used to listening to, you are more likely to enjoy the music.

In food, if you eat something every day, you want it every day. You have stopped eating it and are less familiar with it, so you enjoy it much less.

That and perhaps your gut microbiome has changed and it is more difficult to digest/tolerate certain foods.
 
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I wouldn’t avoid eggs though. A lot of nutrients and good cholesterol in the yolks. If I was you I’d try to have atleast 2 a day. And your body needs a little saturated fat to work optimally right?
 

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Hey Cro,

Could be mild biliary obstruction if you were playing with methyls. Also, not so sure cutting sat fats would help, maybe the opposite actually.

Have you tried taking TUDCA or Taurine to clear things out? Or have you tried taking Lecithin with fatty meals? I know a few people who had their gall bladders removed and experienced the same symptoms, but they both received relief with Lecithin caps.
No orals.

@loganyy take a look at this:
Spoiler: eggs wrecked his lipid profile, but red meat had a very small impact.
 
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No orals.

@loganyy take a look at this:
Spoiler: eggs wrecked his lipid profile, but red meat had a very small impact.
Being 100% honest, Cro, I have felt the worst when my cholesterol levels were lowest. And when my body fat was under 5% I looked my best, but felt like I could literally die at any moment. Is it really healthier to cut saturated fats and get super lean? Because it didn't feel like it! It felt blatantly toxic.

Also, Low cholesterol compromises endocrine status, brain function, immune response, etc.. and it doesn't even reduce CVD mortality. I've never seen any great advantage in lowering it on purpose (unless you have a very rare familial genetic disorder) and mark my words, statins are a class-action lawsuit just waiting to happen. Only a matter of time.

The guy in that video looks like a healthy, intelligent young man, and he appears to have the right idea about health. Unfortunately, he's just wrong about some of his conclusions because he built them on these false precepts people are taught regarding diet. I've made the same mistakes too, I used to take fish oil and flaxseed and all that crap, so I understand it's a learning process. A guy here named Dinoii tried to tell me better about fats and I wouldn't listen either back then. :)
 
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Being 100% honest, Cro, I have felt the worst when my cholesterol levels were lowest. And when my body fat was under 5% I looked my best, but felt like I could literally die at any moment. Is it really healthier to cut saturated fats and get super lean? Because it didn't feel like it! It felt blatantly toxic.

Also, Low cholesterol compromises endocrine status, brain function, immune response, etc.. and it doesn't even reduce CVD mortality. I've never seen any great advantage in lowering it on purpose (unless you have a very rare familial genetic disorder) and mark my words, statins are a class-action lawsuit just waiting to happen. Only a matter of time.

The guy in that video looks like a healthy, intelligent young man, and he appears to have the right idea about health. Unfortunately, he's just wrong about some of his conclusions because he built them on these false precepts people are taught regarding diet. I've made the same mistakes too, I used to take fish oil and flaxseed and all that crap, so I understand it's a learning process. A guy here named Dinoii tried to tell me better about fats and I wouldn't listen either back then. :)
dinoii, man thats a name from the past-whats he doing these days?
 

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Being 100% honest, Cro, I have felt the worst when my cholesterol levels were lowest. And when my body fat was under 5% I looked my best, but felt like I could literally die at any moment. Is it really healthier to cut saturated fats and get super lean? Because it didn't feel like it! It felt blatantly toxic.

Also, Low cholesterol compromises endocrine status, brain function, immune response, etc.. and it doesn't even reduce CVD mortality. I've never seen any great advantage in lowering it on purpose (unless you have a very rare familial genetic disorder) and mark my words, statins are a class-action lawsuit just waiting to happen. Only a matter of time.

The guy in that video looks like a healthy, intelligent young man, and he appears to have the right idea about health. Unfortunately, he's just wrong about some of his conclusions because he built them on these false precepts people are taught regarding diet. I've made the same mistakes too, I used to take fish oil and flaxseed and all that crap, so I understand it's a learning process. A guy here named Dinoii tried to tell me better about fats and I wouldn't listen either back then. :)
I have not reduced saturated fat intake to get leaner, that is obviously an energy balance thing, i am doing it to prevent my ldl from going up, i managed to keep it in range on cycle by avoiding fatty food of animal origin.

And I personally have no desire to get to 5% bf, I am perfectly happy with 9-10.
 
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Being 100% honest, Cro, I have felt the worst when my cholesterol levels were lowest. And when my body fat was under 5% I looked my best, but felt like I could literally die at any moment. Is it really healthier to cut saturated fats and get super lean? Because it didn't feel like it! It felt blatantly toxic.

Also, Low cholesterol compromises endocrine status, brain function, immune response, etc.. and it doesn't even reduce CVD mortality. I've never seen any great advantage in lowering it on purpose (unless you have a very rare familial genetic disorder) and mark my words, statins are a class-action lawsuit just waiting to happen. Only a matter of time.

The guy in that video looks like a healthy, intelligent young man, and he appears to have the right idea about health. Unfortunately, he's just wrong about some of his conclusions because he built them on these false precepts people are taught regarding diet. I've made the same mistakes too, I used to take fish oil and flaxseed and all that crap, so I understand it's a learning process. A guy here named Dinoii tried to tell me better about fats and I wouldn't listen either back then. :)
I somewhat agree with this, actually...I lean in this direction. Some people worry too much about cholesterol and it is necessary for health. Cholesterol that is too low isn't a good thing and will impair a lot of important functions. I also agree that cholesterol is not the best or only factor for CVD - but it IS the best factor you will get in most clinical situations, since measuring levels of homocysteine and other markers are often poo-poo'd by insurance companies and doctors (by proxy).

I would also say that high cholesterol, particularly if you have a high conversion rate to 27-OH Cholesterol - has some evidence as being part of the pathology for autoimmune diseases, like lupus or pemphigus.

My GF, for instance, cannot gain 20 pounds without experiencing high BP, gastro issues, etc. She has pemphigus and losing that 20 pounds has greatly reduced her symptoms. Other members of her family have very similar issues with weight - they are generally smaller, but if they put on almost any fat at all, they start getting issues fast.

I, on the other hand, can be 50 pounds overweight and no high BP, etc. She likely has an abnormally high conversion to 27-OHC.

Still, I feel like it would be fun to write an article on fats with you because I am sure I would learn a bunch and it would probably blow up some myths that are prevelant in the main stream.
 
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dinoii, man thats a name from the past-whats he doing these days?
You know, I tried to track him down a few years ago to see how he's doing but couldn't find him. I think I probably still have his number (if he hasn't changed it) but it's on an old Razr2 SIM card I can't unlock!
 
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I have not reduced saturated fat intake to get leaner, that is obviously an energy balance thing, i am doing it to prevent my ldl from going up, i managed to keep it in range on cycle by avoiding fatty food of animal origin.

And I personally have no desire to get to 5% bf, I am perfectly happy with 9-10.
I think you have the right idea about 10% BF. That's low enough to feel healthy but still look lean.

The origin of dietary fat is important, but it's not so clear cut as animal VS vegetable. What was the animal fed? That's what determines the quality or toxicity of the fat, so it's hard to rule out the value of all animal fats just because they're animal, especially if you buy high quality meats.
 
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I somewhat agree with this, actually...I lean in this direction. Some people worry too much about cholesterol and it is necessary for health. Cholesterol that is too low isn't a good thing and will impair a lot of important functions. I also agree that cholesterol is not the best or only factor for CVD - but it IS the best factor you will get in most clinical situations, since measuring levels of homocysteine and other markers are often poo-poo'd by insurance companies and doctors (by proxy).

I would also say that high cholesterol, particularly if you have a high conversion rate to 27-OH Cholesterol - has some evidence as being part of the pathology for autoimmune diseases, like lupus or pemphigus.

My GF, for instance, cannot gain 20 pounds without experiencing high BP, gastro issues, etc. She has pemphigus and losing that 20 pounds has greatly reduced her symptoms. Other members of her family have very similar issues with weight - they are generally smaller, but if they put on almost any fat at all, they start getting issues fast.

I, on the other hand, can be 50 pounds overweight and no high BP, etc. She likely has an abnormally high conversion to 27-OHC.

Still, I feel like it would be fun to write an article on fats with you because I am sure I would learn a bunch and it would probably blow up some myths that are prevelant in the main stream.
Man, between you and Kleen there's no need for me to even post here anymore. You 2 guys have it covered! ;)

But yes, you have a great point about the 27-OH-Chol conversion. It's certainly part of the pathology of several deleterious processes, but as a nutrient essential to survival, how could it be the causative agent? I dare say it can't be. It's likely there to benefit somehow and that's the nature of the association, so while manipulating cholesterol levels may offer situational relief of symptoms it'll probably just make it worse in the end. Plus, you'll pay for it some other way that necessarily can't be avoided. It would be more efficient to engage the problem closer to the root, and Lp(a) is what people should be looking at IMO, if they just need a "bad cholesterol" to villainize.

I'm guessing they have your girl on a lot of oral corticoids? Pemphigus is a tricky one. Lots of things to consider.
 

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Wondering has anyone had rhis happen to them. Back in the day i used to tolerate all kinds of greasy and fatty food, used to love pizza, carbonara etc.

But lately, especially since this year, as i have meddled with some anabolics, i firmly decided to drastically cut my saturated fat intake and change my diet for the healthier.

I basically stopped eating any type of cream, cheese (except low fat cottage cheese), dont eat any kind of ham, eggs, greasy sauces i avoid like plague. Red meat i only eat very lean cuts and maybe 1x per week (tbh this isnt that bad for lipid profile compared to other things listed but i just dont lioe meat very much) I also started eating more vegetables, and i make sure i eat fruit every day.

I find that when i occasionally have a higher fat meal (for example whenwe go to a family gathering) i feel extremely sick to my stomach afterwards. I mean, i cant even look at greasy food.

Not that i mind, i decided to make positive dietary changes for life, just wondering has anyone else had that happen, that their body kinda adapted to lower fat intake and now cant handle greasy food?
Veda-Gest wil make an enormous difference whe it comes to digesting fats (and everything else). Like one member said, your issue could have been caused by methylated AAS induced biliary obstruction. One ingredient in Veda-Gest, in particular, will really help with restoring biliary function. Artichoke extract (found in Veda-Gest) not only helps protect the liver, but it restores proper fatty acid digestion by stimulating the release of bile into the digestive tract.


If you think a natural product like this doesn't do much, think again. Many natural compounds are extremely powerful when it comes to restoring the various aspects of the digestive process.
 

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I didnt use orals.
Regardless, if digesting dietary fat is an issue, optimizing proper bile flow is critical, as inhibited/insufficient bile flow is the #1 reason people have difficulty digesting fats. Without bile, fat cannot be broken up into fatty acids, which needs to occur in order for them to be absorbed into the bloodstream.

Also, when it comes to cardiovascular health, there is no need to eliminate beef and dairy. What needs to be eliminated is corn-fed beef/dairy, a well as any meat that comes from animals fed an improper diet. Grass-fed beef and butter are very good for you. In fact, grass-fed butter actually improves the lipid profile.

The problem today is the diets that the big food corporations are feeding their animals. When animals are fed a natural diet, not loaded up with drugs and live a healthy life, their food products are cardiovascularly friendly (this does not include pork, shellfish, etc. These animals are always unhealthy to eat...for numerous reasons).

Saturated fats are NOT the enemy. Saturated fats from animals not fed their proper food sources and loaded up with drugs are the problem. In fact, MANY vegatable-based oils are among the most unhealthy fats in existence. Fats such as vegetable oil, canola oil, etc...are highly inflammatory. I would NEVER consume these fats. Fats from animals fed natural diets are actually healthy, while the latter are damaging.
 
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Being 100% honest, Cro, I have felt the worst when my cholesterol levels were lowest. And when my body fat was under 5% I looked my best, but felt like I could literally die at any moment. Is it really healthier to cut saturated fats and get super lean? Because it didn't feel like it! It felt blatantly toxic.

Also, Low cholesterol compromises endocrine status, brain function, immune response, etc.. and it doesn't even reduce CVD mortality. I've never seen any great advantage in lowering it on purpose (unless you have a very rare familial genetic disorder) and mark my words, statins are a class-action lawsuit just waiting to happen. Only a matter of time.

The guy in that video looks like a healthy, intelligent young man, and he appears to have the right idea about health. Unfortunately, he's just wrong about some of his conclusions because he built them on these false precepts people are taught regarding diet. I've made the same mistakes too, I used to take fish oil and flaxseed and all that crap, so I understand it's a learning process. A guy here named Dinoii tried to tell me better about fats and I wouldn't listen either back then. :)
What do you think about MCT oil @DR.D
 
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What do you think about MCT oil @DR.D
I like MCT and use it every chance I get. I eat a few grams every morning just to make sure I get some that day. I use a lot of Coconut Oil also, and have come to really like my eggs fried in it! I like monosaturated fats too like Olive and High-Oleic Safflower, but just like Mike said I stay away from highly unsaturated vegetable oils.
 

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@DR.D wish you would post more often. Litterally taking notes right now.
 
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Man, between you and Kleen there's no need for me to even post here anymore. You 2 guys have it covered! ;)

But yes, you have a great point about the 27-OH-Chol conversion. It's certainly part of the pathology of several deleterious processes, but as a nutrient essential to survival, how could it be the causative agent? I dare say it can't be. It's likely there to benefit somehow and that's the nature of the association, so while manipulating cholesterol levels may offer situational relief of symptoms it'll probably just make it worse in the end. Plus, you'll pay for it some other way that necessarily can't be avoided. It would be more efficient to engage the problem closer to the root, and Lp(a) is what people should be looking at IMO, if they just need a "bad cholesterol" to villainize.

I'm guessing they have your girl on a lot of oral corticoids? Pemphigus is a tricky one. Lots of things to consider.
LOL - you are too kind but don't undercut your own contributions. As far as the part about it being a nutrient necessary for health so it can't be a causative agent - I am not sure that logic holds up. Inflammatory response is necessary for health too - but too much is not good. Vitamin D has data suggesting increased stroke risks below 30 nd/dl but also has a similar increase in stroke risk above 110 ng/dl.

But I do agree that this "good or bad" philosophy that is prevalent today is not bad. Yes, cholesterol IS necessary. And yes, too much may be an indicator of a problem - but too little isn't good either! Totally agree there.

But I also feel like your body will try to maintain certain levels and if these fluctuate to a large degree it can be a sign of something else being compensated for (along the lines of what you are saying - you can't adjust pathways in a vacuum). Another similar nutrient is sodium - necessary for health, without it you can't contract muscles and your heart will stop and your body maintains a highly specific level through a lot of really twisted and complex feedback loops - yet all we hear about is how bad sodium is and we should limit it (foolish).

I don't think people NORMALLY should worry about cholesterol in their diet. I think people should worry about caloric overload and breaking metabolic pathways that overwhelm your body's ability to manage cholesterol levels. I may be wrong here, but it seems to me that if I eat a TON of cholesterol every day and have a strong caloric deficit still, I likely won't have much excess cholesterol in my system. But I could eat very little cholesterol and overload on calories and suddenly have high glucose and high cholesterol issues.

But what I was hypothesizing with the 27-OH-Chol is that SOME people may have an unusually high expression of the enzyme that creates 27-OH-Chol (which would be efficient for certain groups when cholesterol sources were low, but deleterious when sources are abundant). I think there is some possibility this is a genetic feature and it probably explains why some people can be relatively lean and have more health issues than others who are obese.

If you are one of these "over expressers" - you may start having health issues on a regimen that others appear to be healthy with. And 27-OH has links to thyroid cancers, autoimmunity (such as lupus), heart disease, estrogen receptor modulation, neurodegenerative diseases, etc.

In other words - I think 27-OH Cholesterol may actually be a root cause of issues - like lipoprotein A (which I admit I need to research more and will now, thanks!).

So yes, it may not be the most efficient solution to just simply lower cholesterol for these people - ideally blocking the enzyme itself may help better - but since this is relatively new stuff, we don't have those tools at our disposal.

And yes, I agree that we should not strive to get very low numbers on our cholesterol. I just think they should be in range if possible, if only for the correlation factors.
 
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I'm guessing they have your girl on a lot of oral corticoids? Pemphigus is a tricky one. Lots of things to consider.
Sorry - forgot to answer this. They had her on some big doses of prednisone for a long time (for the better part of a year with maybe a couple breaks that lasted a couple weeks to a month). Some of the costlier immune system modifiers were not covered by health insurance. I put her on large doses of Vitamin D and Reuteri and she has lost about 25 pounds and she hasn't had any signs of blisters for about 5 months now (since she was finally off the prednisone totally). Phew. She still has some scabs and stuff that were huge and are taking a long time to heal, but they're improving slowly. She has been a trooper. At it's worst I would cringe and could only imagine how badly she was hurting.

She really seemed to start healing more quickly when we introduced the Reuteri and her finger nails grew in so thick people thought she had fake nails. I also hypothesize inosine may be helpful here, but it's been such a bust for everything we didn't really bother since she was healing and seems to be making progress.

Veda-Gest wil make an enormous difference whe it comes to digesting fats (and everything else). Like one member said, your issue could have been caused by methylated AAS induced biliary obstruction. One ingredient in Veda-Gest, in particular, will really help with restoring biliary function. Artichoke extract (found in Veda-Gest) not only helps protect the liver, but it restores proper fatty acid digestion by stimulating the release of bile into the digestive tract.


If you think a natural product like this doesn't do much, think again. Many natural compounds are extremely powerful when it comes to restoring the various aspects of the digestive process.
People don't realize that Metformin is derived from a natural plant substance. Actually, that's kind of the pharmaceutical game - find something in nature that works, tweak it so they can patent it as being new and unique, and market it.

People underestimate the role of proper biliary function in health. Look at TUDCA and the research on how it can repair endoplasmic reticulum stress (and thus neurological function), increase leptin sensitivity, etc.
 
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I had some very greasy Mac & Cheese yesterday at a Christmas Lunch, stomach felt upset the rest of the day.
 

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I had some very greasy Mac & Cheese yesterday at a Christmas Lunch, stomach felt upset the rest of the day.
Yeah man honestly just looking at fatty food and thinking about how it makes me feel afterwards (lethargic and nauseous, as opposed to high carb meals which make me energetic) gives me gags.

For me nothing beats rice and peas combination, with a lean protein source, i can do either chicken/turkey breast, lean piece of fish or non fat cottage cheese with it, doesnt matter. Could eat this every day.
 

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Well if it makes you feel better stick with it. I eat 1.5 -2lbs of meat a day and almost all red meat and feel better that way. Sugars are what kills my stomach. Any time I have to many sweets it kills my gut. So I dont eat them often. But it’s the holidays so it’s a give. I’m going to wreck my stomach. Lol
 
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Yeah man honestly just looking at fatty food and thinking about how it makes me feel afterwards (lethargic and nauseous, as opposed to high carb meals which make me energetic) gives me gags.

For me nothing beats rice and peas combination, with a lean protein source, i can do either chicken/turkey breast, lean piece of fish or non fat cottage cheese with it, doesnt matter. Could eat this every day.
I get this. When I am being "good" consistently I get the same way.

One time on a diet I was eating beef jerky a lot for lunch. Not super healthy, but convenient at work and a lean protein. But I became familiar with it and had a routine.

One week I was craving a 5 Guys burger badly. I decided I was going to have a cheat at the end of the week for lunch and get that burger.

I was good all week, left my office to go get my burger, and 5 minutes later, sitting at a stop light I changed my mind.I wanted the beef jerky more. I was just used to it.

Keep up the good habits.
 

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Artichoke Extract works every time for fat digestion. Look for a standardized extract 600mg per capsule (Cynara Scolymus-5% Caffeoylquinic Acid . It is miraculous in its effectiveness; a person with fat malabsorption will literally go from having stomach upset with diarrhea after a fatty meal, to no pain whatsoever and proper fat digestion and normal stool.
 
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I do as often as possible, but I don't work with any sponsors here anymore so I don't hang around like I used to. Feel free to PM anytime though, always glad to help if I can, my friend.
 
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So many smart people and good information here ! I over 60 and have been training for more than 35 years and I'm still learning !!
 

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Artichoke Extract works every time for fat digestion. Look for a standardized extract 600mg per capsule (Cynara Scolymus-5% Caffeoylquinic Acid . It is miraculous in its effectiveness; a person with fat malabsorption will literally go from having stomach upset with diarrhea after a fatty meal, to no pain whatsoever and proper fat digestion and normal stool.
Agreed. Artichoke Extract works every time for fat digestion.
 

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I’m the same way, it’s weird because it’s hit or miss with me. I also noticed spices seem to kill me now.
 

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