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[JudoJosh]

Go back further Josh.. Ive made posts in this thread long before today..

So is it safe to say that you support homosexual marriages? That even though it is not "normal" it is ok?

This is based off you saying interracial relationships were not normal but since you are involved in one I assume you support them correct?

 

[Zac Speed]

So is it safe to say that you support homosexual marriages? That even though it is not "normal" it is ok?

This is based off you saying interracial relationships were not normal but since you are involved in one I assume you support them correct?

Read instead of skim over what I type.

 

[JudoJosh]

I said interracial marriage wasn't the norm.. Not unnatural.. I said being gay unnatural AND not the norm.

Maybe if you could read you would atop getting yourself confused?

Again, how is it unnatural when it exist throughout the entire animal kingdom. You have yet to provide one single shred of empirical evidence to suggest that it is unnatural

 

[Zac Speed]

Again, how is it unnatural when it exist throughout the entire animal kingdom. You have yet to provide one single shred of empirical evidence to suggest that it is unnatural

So in the animal kingdom it is just everywhere all over homosexuality??? lol's for days.. OMG hahaha

 

[Geoforce]

Homosexuality isnt a normal way of life. Just like an interracial marriage isnt.

I can read pretty damn well. I can lay out my arguments in intelligent manners. I can do this without resorting to petty ad hominem junior high attacks like "you're dumb."

If you want to try and argue in that manner it would be beneficial. If you just want to get your panties in a bunch because people are pointing out your logical mistakes then I guess just do that.

 

[JudoJosh]

Read instead of skim over what I type.

How about instead you learn to answer a simple question directly?

I am trying hard to be civil here with you and have asked you several serious questions and have even given you the benefit of the doubt and said lets assume for a second you are right and yet you still refuse to answer a single question directly.

 

[Zac Speed]

I can read pretty damn well. I can lay out my arguments in intelligent manners. I can do this without resorting to petty ad hominem junior high attacks like "you're dumb."

If you want to try and argue in that manner it would be beneficial. If you just want to get your panties in a bunch because people are pointing out your logical mistakes then I guess just do that.

I would say that your first statement is false as proven by many of your posts..

My panties are none of your concern though..

 

[Rodja]

Homosexuality is a perversion of the mind, IMO just as much a perversion as someone who is into child porn. Or someone who needs to be abused to get off.. Or someone who enjoys killing things. Now does that mean label them sex offenders? No. They haven't harmed anyone because they are gay.

I didn't once compare. I said if we can fight to make gays normal, why not other abnormal sexual desires? As long as its consentual?

As you can see, you equate homosexuality to a pedafile.

 

[JudoJosh]

So in the animal kingdom it is just everywhere all over homosexuality??? lol's for days.. OMG hahaha

Another example of you refusing to participate in the discussion and instead resorting to logical fallacies (strawman this time)

 

[Piston Honda]

So in the animal kingdom it is just everywhere all over homosexuality??? lol's for days.. OMG hahaha

"unnatural" = not found in Nature; i.e. God

 

[Zac Speed]

Another example of you refusing to participate in the discussion and instead resorting to logical fallacies (strawman this time)

I'm not refusing to participate.. I'm baffled by such ludicrous statements you've made.

 

[JudoJosh]

I'm not refusing to participate.. I'm baffled by such ludicrous statements you've made.

than answer the questions I have presented to you in my post

 

[thebigt]

not trying to be argumentative but am curious how did your view change exactly? I must have missed the post so if you can please reiterate your previous opinion and your now current opinion that would be great

i was actually paying attention in this thread, i threw out a lot of different things just to see what it would bring to the table. geoforces impassioned agruements of behalf of his brother had already began to soften my heart towards my attitude towards gays. when i did everything i could to provoke him, he maintained a respectful yet passionate commitment to his brother and the plight of gays in general. my respect for how geoforce conducted himself in this thread made me rethink my position. it was not easy for me to go against something i had belived for so long, but it became apparent that my attitude needed some adjusting. i am very grateful to geoforce for bringing some enlightenment to a hardheaded 'older' man....i still have a hard time thinking that 2 men having sex is right, but i know feel that who am i to sit in judgement of them...i realize there are many more important things in this world to be concerned about and protest against than what 2 men do together.

i wish geoforce and his brother well, and may GOD bless both of them.

i have been trying to get this message accross for sometime now, but in your defense this thread has been moving at a fast pace with seperate things going on, and it might have been easily missed.

 

[Piston Honda]

I'm not refusing to participate.. I'm baffled by such ludicrous statements you've made.

Does Touey make sense to you?

 

[Zac Speed]

Does Touey make sense to you?

I value Touey's insight and opinions. Why?

 

[JudoJosh]

i was actually paying attention in this thread, i threw out a lot of different things just to see what it would bring to the table. geoforces impassioned agruements of behalf of his brother had already began to soften my heart towards my attitude towards gays. when i did everything i could to provoke him, he maintained a respectful yet passionate commitment to his brother and the plight of gays in general. my respect for how geoforce conducted himself in this thread made me rethink my position. it was not easy for me to go against something i had belived for so long, but it became apparent that my attitude needed some adjusting. i am very grateful to geoforce for bringing some enlightenment to a hardheaded 'older' man....i still have a hard time thinking that 2 men having sex is right, but i know feel that who am i to sit in judgement of them...i realize there are many more important things in this world to be concerned about and protest against than what 2 men do together.

i wish geoforce and his brother well, and may GOD bless both of them.

i have been trying to get this message accross for sometime now, but in your defense this thread has been moving at a fast pace with seperate things going on, and it might have been easily missed.

so to make sure I am understanding you correctly, your current stance is homosexuals deserve the same rights that are given to heterosexuals?

 

[Zac Speed]

than answer the questions I have presented to you in my post

What question do you need answered?

 

[Piston Honda]

What question do you need answered?

I need you to translate Touey for me.

 

[Geoforce]

I would say that your first statement is false as proven by many of your posts..

My panties are none of your concern though..

Actually I've had multiple people thank me for my posts so apparently you are in the minority.

I also assume you support gay marriage since if your panties are no ones concern why would gay people's be any of your concern? Or black people? Or anything else you view as "not natural."

Maybe one day you will be elected supreme emperor of the world and everything you decree will be what everyone does. In the meantime the rest of us are wondering how you aren't getting so many obvious things....

Not to mention why you can't discuss things without resulting to little kid insults.

 

[thebigt]

You compared homosexuality to being a pedafile. Do I need to continue to elaborate?




I didn't see anything saying you were now in support of gay marriage. Softened stance=/support.

As for my "anger issues," I'm one of the most laid back people you'll ever meet except for when it comes to ignorant fools trying to reduce the rights of others based on some erroneous "moral" standpoint from an archaic book that has been perverted dozens of times.

is it my fault you only read what you want to see? and if you go into attack mode everytime you encounter ignorant fools you do need help, serious help...the world is full of fools, on both sides!!! all your attack mode does is overrule anything inteligent you might have to say and just piss people off, imo.

 

[Zac Speed]

is it my fault you only read what you want to see? and if you go into attack mode everytime you encounter ignorant fools you do need help, serious help...the world is full of fools, on both sides!!! all your attack mode does is overrule anything inteligent you might have to say and just piss people off, imo.

So are you saying I'm a fool?

 

[Zac Speed]

Actually I've had multiple people thank me for my posts so apparently you are in the minority.

I also assume you support gay marriage since if your panties are no ones concern why would gay people's be any of your concern? Or black people? Or anything else you view as "not natural."

Maybe one day you will be elected supreme emperor of the world and everything you decree will be what everyone does. In the meantime the rest of us are wondering how you aren't getting so many obvious things....

Not to mention why you can't discuss things without resulting to little kid insults.

Dude.. My view on natural comes from nature.. Not because I'm some supreme thinker and emperor..

If natural was two men having sex to reproduce I would agree.

 

[JudoJosh]

What question do you need answered?

here you go..

Fine, for the sake of discussion, lets just pretend for a second that you are correct.

When a male bonobo chimpanzee is engaging in sexual intercourse with another male bonobo chimpanzee, what distinctions can be observed to between how they engage in the sexual activity vs how a female and male bonobo chimpanzee engages in sexual activity?

If one act is clearly an act of aggression and dominance and the other one a mutual love and relationship, then there should be at least some kind of signs correct? Do homosexual bonobo chimpanzees thrust differently than heterosexual?

The answer is, there is no difference. There are no signs to differentiate observable asexual behavior between animals as aggressive or passive or about mating or about affection. The mating behavior between homosexual-oriented animals and heterosexually-oriented animals are identical.

So how are you making this claim? Please explain. You are saying I am wrong. I have provided empirical evidence to support my position. Now please present your evidence to refute my claim. Can you? Or is your stance based upon a purely subjective belief? Does the root of your argument stem from evidence or something you have been told to believe and you just accept?

I see your mistake now.

You are using the terms normal and natural as interchangeable terms.

First you stated it was unnatural but since then you stopped saying unnatural and replaced it with saying it isn't normal.

So if the position you are taking is homosexuality behavior is not normal behavior in the homo sapien species because it occurs at a lesser rate than heterosexuality behavior, then I am inclined to agree with you. In that sense it probably isnt normal.

The question now because, does that make it bad or wrong? Does normal = good and not normal = bad?

In the sense you are using to define normal, something that occurs in the majority, does being normal or not have any real merit? Society has changed throughout history and has experienced many things that were once normal and aren't any more. These changes can be good and bad. The denormalization of something and the subsequent rising in popularity for the opposite can be quite good. Two examples are women's rights and slavery. During the transatlantic slave trade, slavery was the most normal act. Everyone was doing it, literally the rest of the world was participating in slavery (actually North Americas involvement in the slave was pretty low compared to say South Americas involvement)

So we have an act, slavery, that was occurring at a very high frequency throughout civilization. It is safe to say that owning a salve during this time period was considered normal correct? Matter of fact something that would have been not normal would be if someone were to suggest slaves were not inferior creature and were equal to the rest of humanity. A statement like this would have not been normal.

Where am I going with this? This is just an example of why the bandwagon fallacy is a logical fallacy. That just because something is generally accepted as normal it does not make it right and conversely just because something isnt considered normal, it does not make it wrong. You evaluate claims based on the claim itself and not what the popular opinion is of the time.

So I can admit, homosexuality is probably not normal in humans. Now my question to you is what does this mean?

So is it safe to say that you support homosexual marriages? That even though it is not "normal" it is ok?

This is based off you saying interracial relationships were not normal but since you are involved in one I assume you support them correct?

 

[Touey]

Again, how is it unnatural when it exist throughout the entire animal kingdom. You have yet to provide one single shred of empirical evidence to suggest that it is unnatural

lol!! josh the jane goodall of AM although some could learn an awful lot from they pet I know when I address brotato on certain issues he helpful on occasions.. there certain monkeyboys in and about but they mostly only around nice humans they quite shy truth beknown they do not like to showboat, plus they a little uppity around normal animals and feel to prefer setting they own standards

 

[Piston Honda]

lol!! josh the jane goodall of AM although some could learn an awful lot from they pet I know when I address brotato on certain issues he helpful on occasions.. there certain monkeyboys in and about but they mostly only around nice humans they quite shy.. truth beknown they do not like to showboat, plus they a little uppity around normal animals they feel to prefer set they own standards

Unnatural

 

[Zac Speed]

Josh.. If every species was normally homosexual everything would go extinct.

Buttholes dont lubricate themselves.

Nature intended for male and females to go together. No if ands or buts.

Natural is a man and woman.

 

[Piston Honda]

Josh.. If every species was normally homosexual everything would go extinct.

Buttholes dont lubricate themselves.

Nature intended for male and females to go together. No if ands or buts.

Natural is a man and woman.

Asexual reproduction must be a foreign concept

 

[JudoJosh]

Josh.. If every species was normally homosexual everything would go extinct.

Buttholes dont lubricate themselves.

Nature intended for male and females to go together. No if ands or buts.

Natural is a man and woman.

ok, lets start this way. Let us define natural.

I think a good definition would be something that occurs in nature without intervention.

Do you agree on that definition?

 

[Zac Speed]

Asexual reproduction must be a foreign concept

So is random mutation and transcendent men.. Still doesn't change that nature intended for men and women to be together.

 

[Piston Honda]

So is random mutation and transcendent men.. Still doesn't change that nature intended for men and women to be together.

I guess we need to know how you know what Nature intended when people who are asking you to review scientific literature on the topic are being discredited by you

 

[Touey]

so to make sure I am understanding you correctly, your current stance is homosexuals deserve the same rights that are given to heterosexuals?

leave the man alone you people beat him down over and over to your view "not Geo"

He has stated what he feel.

Why feel the need to keep dogging him about next you will be on about hooking up the lie detector

 

[Rodja]

is it my fault you only read what you want to see? and if you go into attack mode everytime you encounter ignorant fools you do need help, serious help...the world is full of fools, on both sides!!! all your attack mode does is overrule anything inteligent you might have to say and just piss people off, imo.

Dude, you're absurd. Just like the snippet from Louis CK, you focus on the wrong thing and try to use that as a reason to belittle the points illustrated. I honestly don't care if people lack the ability to see the bigger picture as that just shows a lack of intelligence and insight from that person. Anyone that thinks gay couples do not deserve the same rights as any heterosexual is a bigot. Do I think they should be segregated or punished? No, but they're ignorant fools that unfortunately can't see past their own BS and have zero logic behind their statements on gay marriage.

 

[Piston Honda]

leave the man alone you people beat him down over and over to your view "not Geo"

He has stated what he feel.

Why feel the need to keep dogging him about next you will be on about hooking up the lie detector

Because his opinions have no basis in logic and could lead to continued persecution.

 

[Geoforce]

Josh.. If every species was normally homosexual everything would go extinct.

I don't think anyone is arguing against that. What we are arguing against is denying rights based on not being able to reproduce. The planet is in NO danger of not having enough people. In fact we are growing more rapidly than ever.

Do you support denying rights to man and woman couples that cannot reproduce? We have many heterosexual couples who cannot reproduce.

Again you bring up the erroneous position of nature even though we know homosexuality exists in nature. So you keep saying that over and over, but it is still untrue.

 

[Touey]

noone wants to persecute gays other then one poster now gone

 

[Zac Speed]

ok, lets start this way. Let us define natural.

I think a good definition would be something that occurs in nature without intervention.

Do you agree on that definition?

No.. Because you are going to use that to say homosexuality happens without something driving it in nature. And you have no NO personal proof that you whiteness homosexuality normally in nature.

And if it happens it isnt normal or natural. God damn.. You act like not normal is the new N word.. Omg he said being gay isnt normal..

He's a homophobic *******! Gimme a break..

I dont think one person in here believes gays shouldn't have equal rights..

 

[BoneDaddy]

Touey seems like a decent dude, but I think he's going to force me to invest in Rosetta Stone.

 

[Piston Honda]

noone wants to persecute gays other then one poster now gone

No...Mr. Duck fears gays and would not object to said poster's persecution of them. Therein lies the issue with Mr. Duck and all who are of a similar mindset.

 

[thebigt]

so to make sure I am understanding you correctly, your current stance is homosexuals deserve the same rights that are given to heterosexuals?

i am not going to go march in any parades wearing funny costumes........but geoforces impassioned posts have convinced me that if gays want to be married it wouldn't be the end of the world, and who am i to stand in their way. i honestly believe the government uses passionate things like gay rights/race issues/gender issues to keep us divided.....united we stand, divided we fall...lets work together on the issues that really are destroying our country.

my only question is which one would have to pay alimony, lol.

 

[Zac Speed]

I guess we need to know how you know what Nature intended when people who are asking you to review scientific literature on the topic are being discredited by you

What is the natural method of reproduction for the Homosapien? Vaginal intercourse between a Man an Woman right?

What is the one thing that drives life? Reproduction? I mean... Cmon.. I know you've done some **** just for a piece of tail.

 

[Touey]

the way I have seen anything persecuted in this thread pales in comparison with how God has been persecuted in this thread

 

[Piston Honda]

What is the natural method of reproduction for the Homosapien? Vaginal intercourse between a Man an Woman right?

What is the one thing that drives life? Reproduction? I mean... Cmon.. I know you've done some **** just for a piece of tail.

Maybe some unnatural things

 

[Piston Honda]

the way I have seen anything persecuted in this thread pales in comparison with how God has been persecuted in this thread

BOO-HOO...poor God. What, He can't take it?

 

[thebigt]

Dude, you're absurd. Just like the snippet from Louis CK, you focus on the wrong thing and try to use that as a reason to belittle the points illustrated. I honestly don't care if people lack the ability to see the bigger picture as that just shows a lack of intelligence and insight from that person. Anyone that thinks gay couples do not deserve the same rights as any heterosexual is a bigot. Do I think they should be segregated or punished? No, but they're ignorant fools that unfortunately can't see past their own BS and have zero logic behind their statements on gay marriage.

down, boy...down. sit!!!!

will you please stop with the name calling...i am about over your attitude, grow up and graduate from 3rd grade will you, please?

 

[Zac Speed]

All I can say these Duck Dynasty mother ****ers are some bigger sell outs than the OCC guys.

I mean what's next? I ****in luffa that looks like a beard? Scrub your balls with a lookalike beard!

 

[Rodja]

down, boy...down. sit!!!! will you please stop with the name calling...i am about over your attitude, grow up and graduate from 3rd grade will you, please?

I can confidently say I'm more educated than you. If you have a problem with my attitude and choice of words, then that's your problem. Sorry, I'm not PC with my posts, but I thought that was something you enjoyed? Or are you a hypocrite about that as well?

 

[JudoJosh]

No.. Because you are going to use that to say homosexuality happens without something driving it in nature.

you are the one who said it wasn't natural. I said it is. All I am trying to do is come to an understanding here and see where we are exactly not in agreement. By my definition of the word natural, homosexuality is natural. Maybe you have a different definition. Again you are the one who said it wasnt natural, not me.

And you have no NO personal proof that you whiteness homosexuality normally in nature.

I havent seen lots of things

I have never seen an oxygen molecule, I have never seen mitochondria, I have never seen microwaves, I have never seen a shooting star, etc. Just because I have not witnessed a chimpanzee engaging in sexual acts with another chimpanzee of the same sex does not mean it doesnt happen.

And if it happens it isnt normal

Okay again referring back to my previous post, what significance does something being normal or not normal have?

or natural.

why isnt it natural if it is occuring in nature without any intervention? what makes it unnatural?

God damn.. You act like not normal is the new N word.. Omg he said being gay isnt normal..

nope I have been quite calm this entire time and I even admitted to the statistical fact that homosexuality is probably no normal (with normal being defined as the frequency at which something occurs in a population)

He's a homophobic *******! Gimme a break..

never said that

I dont think one person in here believes gays shouldn't have equal rights..

I have also asked you this question directly and you avoided it. So I will ask again, is your position that homosexual humans are entitled to the same rights that are currently given to heterosexual humans?

 

[JudoJosh]

i am not going to go march in any parades wearing funny costumes........but geoforces impassioned posts have convinced me that if gays want to be married it wouldn't be the end of the world, and who am i to stand in their way. i honestly believe the government uses passionate things like gay rights/race issues/gender issues to keep us divided.....united we stand, divided we fall...lets work together on the issues that really are destroying our country.

my only question is which one would have to pay alimony, lol.

Bravo to you than sir and bravo to Geoforce

 

[JudoJosh]

What is the natural method of reproduction for the Homosapien? Vaginal intercourse between a Man an Woman right?

What is the one thing that drives life? Reproduction? I mean... Cmon.. I know you've done some **** just for a piece of tail.

That is hinging on the assumption that we only engage in sexual activity for the sole purpose of procreation which is false.

 

[Zac Speed]

I never meant for that to sound like you called me a homophobic *******. I type how I talk. I was just making a grand summary of the attitude a few of you have to my opinion. Its my opinion.. I stand by it. Don't expect me to conform to your liking.

Gays do have equal rights. Civil Unions give all the same benefits as a marriage last I checked?