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Hyperdrol and cancer?

intodream

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Hey all!

I am fairly new to supplements and i run about 2 months ago the notorious Mass FX/Hyperdrol stack. I did get gains but i can't tell for sure that can all be attributed to the stack as other variables might affected the results.

Anyway, i have read online that they found traces of tren and andro in Hyperdrol (the Tren said to be a mistake) and the andro was due to a conversion from 6-bromo (not a chemist) to andro. Or that 6-bromoandrostedione "technically" is androstedione and would show up like andro on tests; if thats true (6-bromodione=androstedione), does it mean that the share the same properties, react the same way in human system and have same side effects? I looked up on andro and it has some serious effects like prostate cancer,breast cancer and pancreatic cancer development.

My question is basicly are all those who have used hyperdrol installed cancer in their systems? How does the term "long term" effects apply here? You use andro for a short period of time and after 10 years might develop from that single usage in the past or if you used the substance continuously for long periods of time?

If anyone is more aware or has more info on this issue please let me know as im a little worried. Should i make a blood test or is there another test i could take to see if i messed up?

Thanks for possible responses from more knowledgable and experienced persons and forgive my spelling errors as english is not my native language.
 
There are actually published studies on andro and causing cancer????. If so please post the link...look up the youtube clip of real sports and they have an episode about use of steriods, very informational, talks about the lack any studies that show any proof of long term effects
 
I honestly dont know what to believe anymore and additionally its really difficult for me to draw conclusion from scientific abstracts as lack of knowledge of the english language in combination with all the scientific terminology used make things obscure for me.

However if you simply look up on google "androstenedione side effects" they pretty much link it with 3 different types of cancer. Hopefully more experienced people here could enlight me on this issue, if HX2's 6-bromo was this androstenedione substance and if it shares the same properties with it?

Edit : Also from my understanding its impossible to conduct any studies and/or experiments on the long term side effects of androstenedione and other steroids as they are labelled as illegal and their usage is prohibited.
 
Im going to be following this aswell as i have a bottle of Hyperdrol from a while ago at home i never started taking it for some reason but this is serious so im gonna listen. Theres probally going to be no straight answer since its quite hard to have a long term study on a relatively new product.
 
I know this is a long ass article but maybe itll provide some info hopefuly


Despite this prevailing point of view that anabolic steroids cause prostate cancer, in my experience, the opposite is true and testosterone is necessary for optimal prostate health. So let us review the original data that lead to the conclusion anabolic steroids increase prostate cancer growth to hopefully perform future actions that do not leave patients without the care they need.



Common Sense

Even before examining the medical research, general observations lead me to a conclusion that testosterone or anabolic steroids are not “bad” for prostate health. Just comparing disease occurrences and the basic physiology of man throughout adulthood may provide evidence that elevated anabolic steroid levels do not cause prostate problems, and that the reverse is true. Young men between the ages of 18 to 30 years old typically have the highest levels of anabolic steroids among adult men (Leifke, Gorenoi et al. 2000). Yet, men under 30 years old also have the lowest prevalence of prostate problems, including prostate cancer. On the other hand, prostate cancer is more common in the elderly (Merrill 2001). Accordingly, the hormonal milieu of the aging male, which is marked by steady declines in circulating anabolic steroids, seems to be more problematic for prostate health (Gordon, Gray et al. 1989). Other researchers have recognized the relationship that prostate cancer is more prevalent in people who have falling levels of anabolic steroids (Morgentaler 2006). Published in the New England Journal of Medicine, “…it should be recognized that prostate cancer becomes more prevalent exactly at the time of a man’s life when testosterone levels decline” (Rhoden and Morgentaler 2004). Thus, common sense would support a relationship that too little anabolic steroids or other differences between young and elderly men besides elevated anabolic steroid levels are related to prostate cancer development.



In the Beginning

The conception of the belief that anabolicsteroids cause prostate cancer to grow all boils down to the original experiments by Huggins and Hodges in 1941. Huggins and Hodges claimed that prostate cancer was hormonally responsive by reporting marked reductions in testosterone (from castration or estrogen treatment) inhibited metastatic prostate cancer. In addition, the administration of exogenous testosterone caused prostate cancer to further activate (Huggins and Hodges 1941). These concepts still seem to be applicable today, but must remain in context. Huggins’ and Hodges’ experiments showed the suppression of prostate cancer from hormone restrictions were similar in magnitude to the increase of prostate reactivation with testosteronere introduction. Even though the authors claimed their experiments provided evidence for this concept, the case results did not demonstrate anabolic steroid or testosterone administration causes prostate cancer (without previous restriction) to grow in any person with prostate cancer. It is only when a person’s endocrine homeostasis is first reduced to subphysiological low levels that the administration of testosterone and restoration of these levels may affect the prostate. Yet, Huggins and Hodges took their findings out of context, and the rest of the world followed suit. They claimed testosterone or anabolic steroid administration caused prostate cancer to grow, no matter the previous endocrine status of the patient. This erroneous extrapolation of their concept was treated as if it were part of a “Ten Commandments” of medicine.

Unfortunately, their experiments had many shortcomings to develop any prevailing medical theories or concepts in regard to anabolic steroid administration on previously untreated prostate cancer. First, the population size was extremely small. Only three men with prostate cancer were involved in the exogenous testosterone experiment. Second, not all of the data was provided. Although three men were involved in the experiment, only results for two men were reported. Third, there was more than one scientific variable at a time being evaluated. Exogenous testosterone administration was not the only scientific variable present in the test subjects. One of the two men with reported results had been castrated. Fourth,the objective marker used in the experiment did not have a control or behave uniquely with the variable. In the remaining noncastrated man with prostate cancer, acid phosphatase levels elevated during 18 days of exogenous testosterone injections, but varied extensively before and after the injections. The same peak level of acid phosphatase during testosterone administration was observed in this individual again three weeks after discontinuing testosterone treatment. Hence, in this one patient, testosterone injections did not cause a unique change in acid phosphatase levels. The original allegation that anabolic steroids cause prostate cancer to grow was therefore based on erratic acid phosphatase levels in a single individual.

The principles of the scientific method declare when scientific hypotheses, like anabolic steroids cause prostate cancer to grow, are tested and proven with experimentation, the experiments should be reproducible by someone else with the same results to form a scientific theory. Otherwise, if different results are achieved in the same types of experiments, reconciliation of methods should occur or new scientific hypotheses should be generated to explain all observations. In the case anabolic steroids cause prostate cancer to grow, further experiments near that time period with exogenous testosterone in untreated (meaning without anabolic steroid restriction by castration or estrogen therapy) men with prostate cancer failed to produce similar results of rapidly stimulating prostate cancer (Brendler, Chase et al. 1950;Trunnell and Duffy 1950; Pearson 1957; Prout and Brewer 1967). Some of these additional experiments even involved men with advanced disease, and some actually show anabolic steroid treatment may be beneficial for patients with prostate cancer.Since the data from these studies did not support the prevailing Huggins’ and Hodges’ conclusion that anabolic steroids cause prostate cancer to grow, a new or altered hypothesis should have been formed according to the principles of the scientific method. Dr. Pearson recognized that his and others’ data did not coincide with Huggins’ and Hodges’ hypothesis, and he specifically requested new hypotheses be considered to explain everyone’s experimental observations.Dr. Pearson wrote, “These observations invite the development of new concepts to explain the response of these prostatic cancers to alterations in the endocrine environment” (Pearson 1957). Instead, these studies were ignored, interpreted with a preconceived notion or forgotten by the medical community. The historical foundation of medical data has been filtered to justify a predetermined conclusion, rather than analyzing all of the data to arrive at a more correct theory that is consistent with all observed effects anabolic steroids have on prostate cancer.



Prostate and Steroid Current Evidence-Based Concept Review

Eunuchs, hypogonadal and growth hormone-deficient men develop prostate glands that are smaller in size.

Hypogonadal men receiving anabolic steroid therapy experience prostate growth to a volume similar to what would be expected from their eugonadal counterparts. Then their prostate size is sustained. Growth hormone-deficient men who are treated with growth hormone to normalize their levels also experience prostate growth to a volume similar to the expected volume of men without growth hormone dysfunction. The prostate growth reaches a plateau, like in anabolic steroid treatments.

PSA levels change accordingly in hypogonadal men receiving anabolic steroid treatments with an initial modest rise followed by a sustained plateau. In addition, anabolic steroid treatments may result in minor changes in urological flow parameters.

PSA levels in young men (less than 40 years of age) are unresponsive to anabolic steroid treatments, even at supraphysiological levels.

No evidence exists that demonstrates normal levels of testosterone promote the development of cancer of the prostate.

No evidence exists that shows administration of anabolic steroids enhances a preexisting prostatic malignancy in men who are not at castrate levels of hormones.

Current evidence does not support the view that anabolic steroid treatments administered to hypogonadal elderly men have a causal relationship with prostate cancer.



The published conclusions of studies from respectable establishments that review the data regarding steroids and prostate cancer all have the same theme. Dr. Morgentaler of Harvard Medical School published in a peer-reviewed medical journal, “This historical perspective reveals that there is notnow--nor has there ever been--a scientific basis for the belief that testosterone causes prostate cancer to grow” (Morgentaler 2006). Other authors have similar findings. Dr. Morley wrote in a medical journal from the Mayo Clinic, “There is no clinical evidence that the risk of either prostate cancer or benign prostate hyperplasia increases with testosterone replacement therapy” (Morley 2000). Dr. Morales from the Department of Urology at Queen’s University acknowledges that testosterone has been used for 70 years and that “no evidence exists that appropriate androgen administration with knowledgeable monitoring carries significant or potentially serious adverse effects on the prostate gland” (Morales 2005). These medical journal research reviews unanimously agree that testosterone does not cause prostate cancer.

For a more detailed and inclusive review of the available literature, please see my book, Demystifying Steroids. A copy is available to purchase at Invalid Link Removed or a PDF download at shop.personalcatalyst.net.
 
Thanks for sharing your findings, but my concern/question is specifically for hyperdol, 6-bromodione and androstenadione and not generally for Androgenic (anabolic) steroids, which according to IARC are considered group 2A carcinogens ( = The agent (mixture) is probably carcinogenic to humans. The exposure circumstance entails exposures that are probably carcinogenic to humans). From scientific abstracts i gathered and read ( for some reason the site wont allow me to post links) suggest the same as this article, but i couldn't really understand the testimony for androstenadione specifically. I will paste an abstract to clarify :

We examined the hypothesis that serum concentrations of circulating androgens and sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) are associated with risk for prostate cancer in a case-control study nested in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC). Concentrations of androstenedione, testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide and SHBG were measured in serum samples for 643 prostate cancer cases and 643 matched control participants, and concentrations of free testosterone were calculated. Conditional logistic regression models were used to calculate odds ratios for risk of prostate cancer in relation to the serum concentration of each hormone. After adjustment for potential confounders, there was no significant association with overall risk for prostate cancer for serum total or free testosterone concentrations (highest versus the lowest thirds: OR, 1.02; 95% CI, 0.73-1.41 and OR, 1.07, 95% CI, 0.74-1.55, respectively) or for other androgens or SHBG. Subgroup analyses showed significant heterogeneity for androstenedione by cancer stage, with a significant inverse association of androstenedione concentration and risk for advanced prostate cancer. There were also weak positive associations between free testosterone concentration and risk for total prostate cancer among younger men and risk for high-grade disease. In summary, in this large nested case-control study, concentrations of circulating androgens or SHBG were not strongly associated with risk for total prostate cancer. However, our findings are compatible with a positive association of free testosterone with risk in younger men and possible heterogeneity in the association with androstenedione concentration by stage of disease; these findings warrant further investigation.

Specifically this : "Subgroup analyses showed significant heterogeneity for androstenedione by cancer stage, with a significant inverse association of androstenedione concentration and risk for advanced prostate cancer." According to this is there a correlation between andro administration and development of cancer?

Also from another abstract :

Endogenous androgens have been suggested as determinants of risk of prostatic cancer. To examine this possibility, baseline sex hormone levels were measured in 1008 men ages 40–79 years who had been followed for 14 years. There were 31 incident cases of prostatic cancer and 26 identified from death certificates with unknown dates of diagnosis. In this study, total testosterone, estrone, estradiol, and sex hormone-binding globulin were not related to prostate cancer, but plasma androstenedione showed a positive dose-response gradient. Age-adjusted relative risks of prostatic cancer for low (0–2.2 nM), middle (2.3–3.1 nM), and high (3.2+nM) tertiles of androstenedione were 1.00, 1.34, and 1.98, respectively (P trend < 0.05). The linear gradient of risk persisted after adjustment for age and body mass index. If confirmed, these data suggest that androstenedione might increase the occurrence of clinically manifest prostatic cancer.

Last question is if 6-bromodione found in hyperdrol = androstenedione with same properties ?

Edit : Dont know if this can be considered positive or related but as for short term side effects like acne,gynecomastia,hair loss,testicles shrinkage, etc i haven't experienced any from hyperdrol/mass fx stack.
 
6-bromo will not "cause" cancer but high test and DHT can potentiate a preexisting condition... Since 6-bromo is an aromatase inhibitor it will raise both test and DHT levels... So if u have a preexisting condition or have a family history of prostate cancer then i suggest to take it at ur own risk...
 
practically everything around you ,the things you drink,and the things you eat cause cancer.
i really wouldn't be to worried about andro
long term health problems are extremely rare
 
I would worry more about diet, smoking, and alcohol abuse...and if you are not healthy typically you are more likely to get cancer...and if you have prostate cancer don't take steriods.

Eat healthy, live healthy, and hopefully that will reduce your risk of cancer

As for hyperdrol I would not worry, after all the studies show levels of the andro in the body, but not not say anything about administering it causing cancer, or i could be reading it wrong, honestly that sort of scientific language is hard to comprehend
 
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