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Hulking again with Havoc!

Are these OTC supplements???

I'm not very educated on Pro-hormones if these are them lol.

Got a question? What were you taking that resulted in most lean muscle, vascularity & or fatloss?

Do any sponsors on this board carry it?
 
Perfection300 said:
Are these OTC supplements???

I'm not very educated on Pro-hormones if these are them lol.

Got a question? What were you taking that resulted in most lean muscle, vascularity & or fatloss?

Do any sponsors on this board carry it?
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assuming you are 21 or older....read up my friend...:study:

here are a good few places to start:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/64820-designer-steroid-prohormone.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/89979-otc-hormone-chart.html
 
edwards said:
lookin good. adding size to your wheels?
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Ride my bike everywhere through campus...have had big legs from hockey...just started squatting...i can put up 315 a few times on the smith machine. I guess they could use some more work though
 
your saying that you added 40lbs to your frame in 8 months? what else did you run during that time besides havoc? also another poster mentioned running an ai at high dose and taper down as opposed to starting low and tapering up while tapering down the nolva, I can see little benefit from starting both high when using havoc/epi since your e levels are already supressed .
 
hardknock said:
your saying that you added 40lbs to your frame in 8 months? what else did you run during that time besides havoc? also another poster mentioned running an ai at high dose and taper down as opposed to starting low and tapering up while tapering down the nolva, I can see little benefit from starting both high when using havoc/epi since your e levels are already supressed .
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1 cycle of havoc this past april...3-ad for 14 days this summer, and havoc now

may have been little longer than 8 months...but the picture was 8 months.

I weighed 145 summer of 2007, now, fall of 2008 I weigh 183ish

I know for a fact I was only 148 january 6 of this year
 
monsterbox said:
1 cycle of havoc this past april...3-ad for 14 days this summer, and havoc now

may have been little longer than 8 months...but the picture was 8 months.

I weighed 145 summer of 2007, now, fall of 2008 I weigh 183ish

I know for a fact I was only 148 january 6 of this year
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oh, ok...so

From summer'07 til January '08 @ 148ish
Now, from Jan'08 - Sept'08 @ 183ish

So with no havoc last year, you've been pretty much the same up until you ran two cycles of Havoc this year and gained 40lbs, give or take...serious weight gain.

Have you any idea what you weighed just before the first Havoc run in April?
 
hardknock said:
oh, ok...so

From summer'07 til January '08 @ 148ish
Now, from Jan'08 - Sept'08 @ 183ish

So with no havoc last year, you've been pretty much the same up until you ran two cycles of Havoc this year and gained 40lbs, give or take...serious weight gain.

Have you any idea what you weighed just before the first Havoc run in April?
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its above, 160.5lbs
 
Day 16 -Chest

Insane.
Flat BB Bench - 225x5 PR!, 225x3 prev rec, 205x5, 205x4, 205x3
Superset - 135x20
Incline DB - 60x8, 65x10, 70x9
Superset DB -Straight up 30x10, 1notch down 30x10, 1notch down 30x10, decline 30x10....40reps total insane pump

Dumbell Fly - 45x7 (under pr, tired)
Cable Flys - Setting 3,4,3 Tired but close to PR

Tricep Kickback - 25x10, 30x10, 30x10
Tricep Machine - 110x10, 110x10
Tricep Pushdowns Cables - Setting 12x0, 14x8 PR

Weight Before Workout - 180, after workout 186..I dont start my serious water intake until my workout

Notes:
Amazing pump, personal record at 225x5 (never in my life have i dont this with perfect form)

Sides:
Insane pain in my right elbow joint that i've always had since I broke it...but really bad pain during bench (must have someone lift the weights up for DB, and help me off for BB)

Rediculous pain my left forearm ulna area when I release the weight be it DB or BB. Still haven't decided if this is a stress fracture but its been like this for month now.

Libido in check, mentally I feel a little not like myself no other way to explain it. Kind of want my cycle to be over but I want my gains to hurry up. I want the scale to be 186 pre workout!



Which would yield more results:

1. increase dosage from day 16-24 to 40mg (only enough pills to make it to 24)
2. maintain 30mg to day 28
 
nosnmiveins said:
where are u getting 28 days? 30mg a day x 30 days = 90 caps

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I had enough for 30/30/30/30 minus 1 10mg pill

This is a combination of havoc left over from last cycle...60 pills I bought off my friend that bailed out, and 20 pills my other friend had left over

I'm at day 16, having run 30 all the way...i'm not as impressed as the last run. Less sides but with less sides = less gains.

Like to try out 40mg but I only have enough for 24 days If i start now...however thats a good 40mg for another 8 days...what can I expect in 8 more days?
 
getting prepared for pct:

Reversitol
3/2/2/2/1 yes 5 weeks

Tribulus 500mg

Ejaculoid 2pill/day

Creatine Mono


I hate nolva and libido loss but if I dont feel really lethargic and shutdown will it be safe to not use the nolva? Is 10mg of nolva effective at all...maybe I should run 10mg before bed for 4 weeks? or 5mg?
 
Based on experience with my current cycle I felt 40mg was the sweet spot. However, I also like the longer length cycle (mine is 6 weeks). However, if I had to choose I would say up the dose and be that that you can finish your PCT and rest cycle. That will allow you to get another cycle in sooner and I would say plan for a 40mg for 5-6 weeks.

From what others are saying and for the length of your cycle you might be able to avoid nolva. You will have to listen to your body and you are probably safer to start with the nolva though.
 
Day 17: Back/Bi's

Decided to double up on back/bi's this week...ill hit these again on friday. I feel that my recovery times are faster

Great workout today. Decent pump, def. not the best pump of cycle but very decent. Was able to freight train through most of the workout. Indurance was decent. Lots of "head" pressure.

Sides:
Feel great all day until I take the 3rd pill then i'm kinda feeling weird for a few hours. It always seems like the 3rd pill does this...this is why i'm a little hesitant to bump it up to 40.

Weight:
Preworkout - 183 - Post - 186

Safe to say i've gained at least 5.5lbs on havoc
 
Have you considered doing any shows? You have a good structure... maybe a teen novice? Obviously you're not ready now, but I'm commenting more on your potential...

Just a thought.
 
If your not feeling good bro i wouldnt bump to 40 .. only cuz ur making gains right now at 30 anyways ...
 
trend747 said:
Have you considered doing any shows? You have a good structure... maybe a teen novice? Obviously you're not ready now, but I'm commenting more on your potential...

Just a thought.
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haven't thought about that...really dont want to get that big...id like to stop at 190-200..people, gf, saying i'm getting to bulky and going to look stupid soon :(
 
Day 18: Chest/Tris

40mg Havoc + 100mg DHEA
Poor workout.

Attempted to throw in another chest day this week, already hit it up really hard on monday.

Attempted 225 on bech - only 3 times

Tricep kickbacks, pull downs etc

Sides:
Severe joint pain in right elbow

Weight: 183lbs

Notes: tried on some button up shirts the other day...I can't fit any of them!
 
monsterbox said:
Attempted to throw in another chest day this week, already hit it up really hard on monday.

Sides:
Severe joint pain in right elbow

Notes: tried on some button up shirts the other day...I can't fit any of them!
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When I started bodybuilding seriously in high school, I was working out quite a bit, but then quickly realized that you are not going to gain on that kind of schedule. I would recommend that you blast your chest once per week OR at least every five days. That will also eliminate the joint pain...

Keep your aminos going (I like to throw some in throughout the day), and keep your protein intake high.

And the shirt problem? Heh... that's a good thing... :thumbsup:

Keep up the good work. Remember, it's all about rest. That's when you grow.
 
monsterbox said:
people, gf, saying i'm getting to bulky and going to look stupid soon :(
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What matters is what you believe. Not your family, people, or girlfriend. Trust me, when you are taking your clothes off and your girlfriend sees you ripped and blocky, heh, she won't have a problem with that... ;)
 
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Off-Day

Lots of right elbow joint pain. I broke it in the past and certain angles bother me with resistance, but now its just rediculous. Loading up on fish oil, ordered more cissus.

Sides:
Sleepy/foggy...I have the unusual ability to sleep and sleep and sleep.

Is this an indication that i'm shutting down hard? Maybe stop cycle at 3 weeks and start pct to make things easier?
 
monsterbox said:
wow i'm roid raging like a mother****er lately! it sucks...i get SOOO mad at everything
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Your very close to wrapping it up. As long as you are aware you are raging you can control it and calm yourself down. You are growing and you'll be clear headed very soon. Nice work man, angel77:clap2:
 
guys, this roid rage **** is true. I understand why chris benoit killed his family now. Seriously, last cycle I thought anger was bullshit, but in all honesty I have noticed a noticeably change in emotions.

In general, I just get upset/happy/mad very easily. One thing makes me feel great and more happy that usual but another makes me SO ****ing pissed Ill yell or do rash things I would never do. My car got booted and I wasn't parked in an illegally marked spot. I advised the dude that he should carry a gun so I dont beat the **** out of him and take his keys to unlock the boot.

I believe part of the reason immature people should not use PH is because of the emotional effects. If you drink, are easily angered, and like to fight I can see how this would be a terrible idea to take steroids. I definitely notice that I have to hold in my angers, even though I get this insane dominant feeling that I'm correct about everything no matter what.
 
That's interesting monsterbox, i have never noticed aggression with any of the compounds I have used. Everyone is different. I understand the dominant feeling, but to me that's just why I don't have to fight, because I feel so damn good in the first place I just don't give a **** about other people.
 
UnrealMachine said:
That's interesting monsterbox, i have never noticed aggression with any of the compounds I have used. Everyone is different. I understand the dominant feeling, but to me that's just why I don't have to fight, because I feel so damn good in the first place I just don't give a **** about other people.
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To tell you the truth I'm one of those people that only needs like 1 hit to get completely baked, 1 advil to take all the pain away, 6 shots to be pretty drunk....you get the point. So I think this also applies to steroids, maybe i'm just really responsive to the compound so I experience definite ups and downs.



Question:
Appetite is definitely slowing during this last week...I want to eat about half my usual servings...any ideas to combat this? I know this is extremely commmon with other compounds
 
monsterbox said:
To tell you the truth I'm one of those people that only needs like 1 hit to get completely baked, 1 advil to take all the pain away, 6 shots to be pretty drunk....you get the point. So I think this also applies to steroids, maybe i'm just really responsive to the compound so I experience definite ups and downs.



Question:
Appetite is definitely slowing during this last week...I want to eat about half my usual servings...any ideas to combat this? I know this is extremely commmon with other compounds
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Appetite has an easy solution

i guess it makes sense man, i don't respond much to many substances, some steroids don't even work on me. I have learned to stick with the more powerful ones like Phera and SD because my body actually responds well to them.
 
Just make sure you're gettin' your protein with shakes and what not.
 
monsterbox said:
guys, this roid rage **** is true. I understand why chris benoit killed his family now. Seriously, last cycle I thought anger was bullshit, but in all honesty I have noticed a noticeably change in emotions.

In general, I just get upset/happy/mad very easily. One thing makes me feel great and more happy that usual but another makes me SO ****ing pissed Ill yell or do rash things I would never do. My car got booted and I wasn't parked in an illegally marked spot. I advised the dude that he should carry a gun so I dont beat the **** out of him and take his keys to unlock the boot.

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:toofunny: Your running HAVOC......Get real and man up.
 
monsterbox said:
guys, this roid rage **** is true. I understand why chris benoit killed his family now. Seriously, last cycle I thought anger was bullshit, but in all honesty I have noticed a noticeably change in emotions.

In general, I just get upset/happy/mad very easily. One thing makes me feel great and more happy that usual but another makes me SO ****ing pissed Ill yell or do rash things I would never do. My car got booted and I wasn't parked in an illegally marked spot. I advised the dude that he should carry a gun so I dont beat the **** out of him and take his keys to unlock the boot.

I believe part of the reason immature people should not use PH is because of the emotional effects. If you drink, are easily angered, and like to fight I can see how this would be a terrible idea to take steroids. I definitely notice that I have to hold in my angers, even though I get this insane dominant feeling that I'm correct about everything no matter what.
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I think you just might be mentally causing yourself to do this because you "feel big" while on a cycle...

If you were using deca, sus, test-e, anadrol, etc., then I could understand you getting a bit out of whack, but I've never heard of these compounds causing someone to act the way you describe...
 
trend747 said:
I think you just might be mentally causing yourself to do this because you "feel big" while on a cycle...

If you were using deca, sus, test-e, anadrol, etc., then I could understand you getting a bit out of whack, but I've never heard of these compounds causing someone to act the way you describe...
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hmm...come to think of it, could be because I cut out cigarettes completely last week.
 
trend747 said:
I think you just might be mentally causing yourself to do this because you "feel big" while on a cycle...

If you were using deca, sus, test-e, anadrol, etc., then I could understand you getting a bit out of whack, but I've never heard of these compounds causing someone to act the way you describe...
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I have experienced this same problem while on decabolen (the ph)
 
I think I might have made a bigger deal out of this anger thing than I meant to...

simply noticebly increased aggression (in a positive way), I was simply saying I can see how people go nuts like chris benoit etc when using high doses of the real gear
 
monsterbox said:
I think I might have made a bigger deal out of this anger thing than I meant to...

simply noticebly increased aggression (in a positive way), I was simply saying I can see how people go nuts like chris benoit etc when using high doses of the real gear
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If you cut out cigarettes last week, that's why you're moody. Guaranteed. :)
 
Day 21: Its over, **** it, I'm retired

Going to have to end the cycle today. Pain is unbearable in right elbow. I've always had a minor joint pain, elbow clicks when moving weight and hurts to flex at 90 degrees. I've always been unable to perform over head tricep extensions. However, even after running cissus w/ havoc, the pain is unreal. I couldnt even incline db press 55's, incline bb press 135, or complete any chest/tri workout at all whatsoever. Steroids are usless if you can't workout.

Any advice? I can't take pain killers or ill **** my liver. I have more cissus coming in the mail, I guess ill double dose. Should I use my tamoxifene instead of the AI based Reversitol so I can get the estrogen into my joints?

No idea what I should do. Barely able to do pushups.

---I am scheduling an appoint. w/ sports med for maybe cortisone shot/MRI. Will this help?



On a side note:
The good...weight it up to 185 solid

The End Result:
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Guess I ruined my workout career for a long time...I expect to loose all of this now.
 
hey man start taking some glucosamine in liquid form. does wonders for your joints. my mom tore her meniscus last year..couldnt walk or get out of bed even. i got her to take glucosamine and helped her out a lot! she ended up not having to do any surgery or anything.

i dont know where are from or watever..but if you have a Sam's club or costco..

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