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Huge BBer Claims Test Should Not Be the First Cycle

oakmuscle

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Ive been researching what my first AAS cycle would be. The common answer for forums seems to be Test E 500mg. After watching videos like the one below.

(Dont Have 50 Posts to EMBED VIDEO, just remove the "-" between h-ttp, w-ww and .c-om)
h-ttp://w-ww.youtube.c-om/watch?v=46r1g30y-0I

....And digging around a bit. Does it not make sense what he is saying in the video.

"not for a beginner man, you wont put someone who barely knows how to drive in a mercedes. why do you think a lot of amateurs peak so early? because their first cycle is test, the receptors get used to something strong, its all about taking it step by step, if you do 500 grams a week, next cycle, you’d have to go to 750. then what? 1000 on your third cycle? if you start winny tablets for your first cycle, at 50 mg a day, second cycle, you could add primobolan, and thats how it goes…"

"4 weeks of oral winstrol for example, with a very strict diet, and training routine, yes, you will see incredible results."

The basic understanding seems to be. If you start with something strong like Testosterone, your receptors get used to something strong. Then your next cycle would have to be stronger in order to progress. If you start with something weaker like 50mg Winny ED for 4 weeks, gain say 5-10lbs of muscle. Your going to hold on to most, if not all of that, since its so small. Ive also read that 4 weeks of winny would barely suppress your HPTA, so a PCT may not even be needed. After this you add primo and gain another 5-10lbs of solid muscle, that you most likely retain all or most. Because its Primo, again less suppressive. Then your third cycle would be test only, 400-500mg. At this point you would blow up, and you would have more muscle at this point than if you just started off with test.

I understand test is more bang for your buck. But if you want to take things slow, safe and the least suppressive possible for the most amount of muscle is this not a better method. Hoping some experts/veterans could comment on this.

Btw this guy is named Mahmoud Al-Durrah. He's Huge now and plans to compete in the 202s someday, if I recall. So im taking his words to thought over the typical, 6'0 160lb forum guy who ran test, gained 20lbs, and swears test is the greatest when he could have achieved that naturally.
 
sounds legit
oakmuscle said:
Ive been researching what my first AAS cycle would be. The common answer for forums seems to be Test E 500mg. After watching videos like the one below.

(Dont Have 50 Posts to EMBED VIDEO, just remove the "-" between h-ttp, w-ww and .c-om)
h-ttp://w-ww.youtube.c-om/watch?v=46r1g30y-0I

....And digging around a bit. Does it not make sense what he is saying in the video.

"not for a beginner man, you wont put someone who barely knows how to drive in a mercedes. why do you think a lot of amateurs peak so early? because their first cycle is test, the receptors get used to something strong, its all about taking it step by step, if you do 500 grams a week, next cycle, you’d have to go to 750. then what? 1000 on your third cycle? if you start winny tablets for your first cycle, at 50 mg a day, second cycle, you could add primobolan, and thats how it goes…"

"4 weeks of oral winstrol for example, with a very strict diet, and training routine, yes, you will see incredible results."

The basic understanding seems to be. If you start with something strong like Testosterone, your receptors get used to something strong. Then your next cycle would have to be stronger in order to progress. If you start with something weaker like 50mg Winny ED for 4 weeks, gain say 5-10lbs of muscle. Your going to hold on to most, if not all of that, since its so small. Ive also read that 4 weeks of winny would barely suppress your HPTA, so a PCT may not even be needed. After this you add primo and gain another 5-10lbs of solid muscle, that you most likely retain all or most. Because its Primo, again less suppressive. Then your third cycle would be test only, 400-500mg. At this point you would blow up, and you would have more muscle at this point than if you just started off with test.

I understand test is more bang for your buck. But if you want to take things slow, safe and the least suppressive possible for the most amount of muscle is this not a better method. Hoping some experts/veterans could comment on this.

Btw this guy is named Mahmoud Al-Durrah. He's Huge now and plans to compete in the 202s someday, if I recall.
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Like I say. I know what works for me. Show me the study (hard fact) that what he is saying is true. It is a very interesting concept tho.

50mg of winny for 4 weeks would give you results for sure. Diet makes it or breaks it with winny... really any cycle lol
 
4 weeks of oral winstrol MILDLY suppressing HPTA function- false

Having to use more and more test each cycle to see gains- false

Science shows that a supra physiological level of testosterone does several things

1 the most obvious anabolic property of steroid increases protein synthesis and nitrogen retention

2 just as important igf levels are show. To increase DRAMATICALLY with supra physiological levels of testosterone

Wait there's more

3 increased levels of testosterone = better nutrient partitioning more of the nutrients consumed will be used to build muscle rather than be stored as fat



So is he correct on test not being a first cycle? I don't know

But on several things he is incorrect and science proves this


Also receptor desensitization has NEVER been proven
 
schwellington said:
4 weeks of oral winstrol MILDLY suppressing HPTA function- false

Having to use more and more test each cycle to see gains- false

Science shows that a supra physiological level of testosterone does several things

1 the most obvious anabolic property of steroid increases protein synthesis and nitrogen retention

2 just as important igf levels are show. To increase DRAMATICALLY with supra physiological levels of testosterone

Wait there's more

3 increased levels of testosterone = better nutrient partitioning more of the nutrients consumed will be used to build muscle rather than be stored as fat

So is he correct on test not being a first cycle? I don't know

But on several things he is incorrect and science proves this

Also receptor desensitization has NEVER been proven
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great post! completely agree.
 
My first cycle was 250mg test e a week for 16 weeks. I kick started it with Superdrol.

Did that way because I didn't want to pin 2x a week my first time around. Now it's ok.

an oral at first is always fun, but even a TRT sized dose of test gives me nice results when I use it sparingly.

I think as athletes we always believe we need to do or have MORE. More drugs, more weight, more reps, etc. you could probably have great results from the same gear multiple times if you just focused on doing things better while on. Never missing a meal, plenty of sleep, train consistently, great workouts, etc.
 
zeroshens said:
My first cycle was 250mg test e a week for 16 weeks. I kick started it with Superdrol.

Did that way because I didn't want to pin 2x a week my first time around. Now it's ok.

an oral at first is always fun, but even a TRT sized dose of test gives me nice results when I use it sparingly.

I think as athletes we always believe we need to do or have MORE. More drugs, more weight, more reps, etc. you could probably have great results from the same gear multiple times if you just focused on doing things better while on. Never missing a meal, plenty of sleep, train consistently, great workouts, etc.
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great post. I am of the same mindset....give me half or less of the dose as the other guy and I'll make the best of it with my training and diet etc. Take what you have and make the most of it, whether it be amplifying the absorption/dosing, or being on point with diet/protein, never missing a workout, etc, all the things you described. and I think what the guy said is true, start off at lower doses of test for a reasonable amount of time... or even an oral like winny or whatever, for 6 weeks....you don't need to use all these massive amounts when you first start out....or ever for that matter. and yes 500mg is considerable for a first or 2nd cycle in my estimations....people get by fine with TRT dosages for christ sakes....
 
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