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How to keep the gains

CAMBO540

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Heres the deal guys ive been doing a lot of research for a halo cycle, ive done 2 other cycles a couple years ago but didn't really know what I was doing. So now I am spending some time learning everything I can to get it right and keep myself healthy. I feel like I have pretty well got the basics covered but just want some feed back from some more experienced guys. The more I read the more I see how important PCT is, so I want to get that part of my cycle narrowed down but at the same time I don't want to spend over $200 on the PCT on stuff I don't really need. I want to keep it simple yet effective. Here's what I got layed out so far, any feedback from experience would be awesome.

25 years old
190
6'2
aprox 12% body fat


Pre cycle load with hawthorne berry a week out

CYCLE
halo- 50/75/75/75/75/75
CEL cycle assist
multi vitamin
fish oil

PCT
clomid 50/50/25/25
daa 3mg
reduce Xt

From what ive read halo dosent aromatize so is there really a need for something like Exemestane or is that what the reduce Xt is all about?
 
The only thing I would add to your pct to help retain gains is
OL STR3ngth & OL ep1c unleashed.
Other then that your set up looks pretty solid for your price point.
 
Dermastrength from Olympus has been the only supplement that has gotten me near the freling of being "on" apply 1ml preworkout, and the pumps, intesnity are there as close as you can get to being on gear. IMO

Trying new Epic this PCT with high hopes!
 
Should still get the examestane if you need it you'll be very grateful you already have it handy. The reduce xt is for cortisol.
 
So get the examestane on hand and watch for gyno? IF and when that does happen, it will usually be a couple weeks after I've started PCT right?
 
Yes & as mentioned you theoretically shouldn't need it for a halo cycle. Amoung many members tho it's practise to dose some at 3rd week pct & run past serm tapering off. The theory being since tamox & clomid only block E from binding at the site (breat tissue etc) & not actually neutralize it like a suicide ai (exemestane, arimistane) If not fully returned to homeostasis at end of pct & you have surplus E getting around your body you could have rebound gyno. If have on hand & don't use then at least you got it already for future cycles :)
 
Def have exemestane on hand as I've read logs and reviews of halo aggravating existing gyno and causing early symptoms.
 
As long as you have your serm on hand in case of gyno symptoms you don't need an AI like aromasin. I would also drop the DAA because it's pretty much useless.
 
plifter42 said:
As long as you have your serm on hand in case of gyno symptoms you don't need an AI like aromasin. I would also drop the DAA because it's pretty much useless.
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What do you mean. Id think you'd want to start using the exeme if gyno symptons occur, or would you just ride it out til pct?
 
Need to look at what each do, a SERM blocks the estrogen receptor at the site & prevents the ability to exert it's effects. SERMs don't lower overall estrogen as that's what an AI does. The AI prevents conversion of estrogen in the 1st place & also reduces current estrogen levels. If you have gyno a serm is going to prevent the exertion of it's effects at the breast. The ai will only prevent further aromatase & reduce body estrogen levels. AI are typical used as prevention & serm for cure tho they both have important roles. A rudimentary explain but hope that's helped a little.
 
So I'll add, this is why a serm is used for pct as it blocks the chance for estrogen to act on the breast tissue. If you stop pct and still have large amounts of estrogen you may get rebound (estrogen binding to the breast cuz it's no longer blocked by the serm) the ai at 3rd week pct and past serm prevents any more aromatase & lowers body estrogen levels so when the serm is stopped there is not enough estrogen present to bind anywhere.
 
Chevy said:
Need to look at what each do, a SERM blocks the estrogen receptor at the site & prevents the ability to exert it's effects. SERMs don't lower overall estrogen as that's what an AI does. The AI prevents conversion of estrogen in the 1st place & also reduces current estrogen levels. If you have gyno a serm is going to prevent the exertion of it's effects at the breast. The ai will only prevent further aromatase & reduce body estrogen levels. AI are typical used as prevention & serm for cure tho they both have important roles. A rudimentary explain but hope that's helped a little.
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Chevy basically summed it up here. If gyno symptoms start to appear, take some SERMs and it should make the symptoms go away. You could still use aromasin though as an anti-estro on cycle but I wouldn't find it necessary for h-drol.
 
*have exemestane*

Week two of my halo cycle my nips lit the F up. Thankfully there was exemestane - fire extinguished!
 
Thanks for all the input guys, def gonna grab some exemestane just incase. For yall who have run a halo cycle, is the lethargy really that bad? Ive heard different things from different people. Whats the best for counter acting that?
 
I ran halo for 6 weeks at 100mg & had no problem with lethargy. But you will hear a lot that everyone is different so hard to be sure how you will go.
 
NOT RECOMMENDED;
But when I ran both my halo cycles I still used PW & drank monsters during work.
It will spike your blood pressure so if your sensitive to. That then don't give this a try. But personally it didn't affect me.
 
CAMBO540 said:
Heres the deal guys ive been doing a lot of research for a halo cycle, ive done 2 other cycles a couple years ago but didn't really know what I was doing. So now I am spending some time learning everything I can to get it right and keep myself healthy. I feel like I have pretty well got the basics covered but just want some feed back from some more experienced guys. The more I read the more I see how important PCT is, so I want to get that part of my cycle narrowed down but at the same time I don't want to spend over $200 on the PCT on stuff I don't really need. I want to keep it simple yet effective. Here's what I got layed out so far, any feedback from experience would be awesome.

25 years old
190
6'2
aprox 12% body fat


Pre cycle load with hawthorne berry a week out

CYCLE
halo- 50/75/75/75/75/75
CEL cycle assist
multi vitamin
fish oil

PCT
clomid 50/50/25/25
daa 3mg
reduce Xt

From what ive read halo dosent aromatize so is there really a need for something like Exemestane or is that what the reduce Xt is all about?
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I have some good news and bad news.

Good news:you'll feel like you're on steroids while you're on because you are.

You get to keep the new nucleus that precedes new hypertrophy aka a higher natural potential and higher overall strength potential.



Bad news: you will lose size but it may be easier to grow new muscle after you're completely recovered.

The size on steroids can be anything from increased glycogen storage in the muscle it's self to increased water retention in the muscle.

Keep able gains are only kept via abuse long term which is why once athletes are on they stay on.

So many variables.

I think you could "keep" 4 to 6 lbs if you had gained 12 lbs but it mite take you a while to lift as heavy as on cycle.

Theoretically if you use igf1 in pct or gh you could keep and even build mass but that's just my theory and the theory of many prep coaches.

That's why I like sarms better. Quicker recovery which can mean more gains kept. Imo.

I probably explained that pretty badly but...
Most importantly is DON'T change the way you train,don't increase cardio and eat plenty of calories.
 
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