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hondizzle420

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so i have a doctors app. tomorrow and i want to know how anyone else has gone about talking to there doctor about things they have done and explaining stuff. this guy is probly 60 years old so i dont think he will have and answer to my issuses right off the top of his head.

im pretty sure ive got gyno, my nips are killing me, and have not gotten any better more than a month off cycle. what kind of blood work should i ask for, or things that i should have prescribed to have him look at?

please help!
 
If he is 60 and been a doctor all of his life there is nothing you can tell him that he won't have heard before.

Be honest and tell him about your cycle and PCT. The more information he has the better he will be able to advise you.
 
You could always act dumb and say you took X that your buddy was taking and then he told you to take X and your nipples are hurting, you did some research and found out you took an AAS/DS and have gyno and just want to get better, or just be honest, he won't care either way
 
Where did you go wrong in your cycle that you wound up with gyno? That sucks man sorry to hear it.
 
I would do neither. go buy some nolvadex from a research chem site and then take it at 20mg a day for 3-4 weeks. 99% chance that will fix it. and 99% chance that it is what he would prescribe anyway. and it's cheaper online.
 
the only downside to telling your doctor you willingly took steroids is that if he writes that down on ur chart or any medical document as an explanation and if at some point you need HRT that will be all out of pocket because steroid damage is not covered by insurance, and HRT is not cheap.

i would ask what he thought, give him all the symptoms of what u have ie pain a lump etc. Dont say u took steroids say you tried a soy diet or something (soy is estrogenic) and he will run all the necessary blood tests anyways.

You can do it urself too. U can either try nolva or you can do the letro taper to remove gyno. Its up to you weather you want to have your doctor do it or you do it.
 
slacker86 said:
the only downside to telling your doctor you willingly took steroids is that if he writes that down on ur chart or any medical document as an explanation and if at some point you need HRT that will be all out of pocket because steroid damage is not covered by insurance, and HRT is not cheap.

i would ask what he thought, give him all the symptoms of what u have ie pain a lump etc. Dont say u took steroids say you tried a soy diet or something (soy is estrogenic) and he will run all the necessary blood tests anyways.

You can do it urself too. U can either try nolva or you can do the letro taper to remove gyno. Its up to you weather you want to have your doctor do it or you do it.
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Exactly, you DO NOT want steroid use on your records... Maybe you could tell the Doc "off the record" blah blah blah.... You could try nolva, and if that doesnt work, a letro taper. If your nips are still hurting, your estro levels are still high..
 
ok so i went to the doc today. i wish i could have read this thread before i went, that soy diet idea is genious! but i told him the truth,(btw i ran nastymass 3caps e/d for 5 weeks, nolva 40/40/20/20/10 and recycle for pct) and im not sure what he wrote down but im going to get a blood test friday, and on the optional labs he put prolactin levels, test levels, and estradiol levels. he says im getting a slight lump but nothing major, and that im not totally f'ed just yet.

thanks for the help guys!
 
im supposed to go to the lab tomorrow, but im not sure if i should go, i have a rediculous sinus infection and was prescribed the Z pack. does anybody know if this will affect a hormone blood panel?
 
I would say dont take the zpack until after you get the bloods done.. But, I dont really know how much, if at all it will effect your hormones...
 
i had to take the zpak now tho, im so sick its not even funny. i was thinking of putting off the blood test till next week just to be safe. but i want to get this taken care off.
 
hondizzle420 said:
i had to take the zpak now tho, im so sick its not even funny. i was thinking of putting off the blood test till next week just to be safe. but i want to get this taken care off.
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Even if the zpak doesnt affect your hormone levels, being so tired sick run down and not eating enough will. Put off the blood test, get a legit test when zpak and diet and sleep are back to normal. Test conducted under irregular conditions provide irregular results. Keep it simple just get over the cold or whatever and then go back when you feel fine.
 
Sometimes Nolva/Letro therapy doesnt work for some people. I tried months of Nolva and Letro and they shrunk and got less sensitive but eventually came back. I thought my stuff was bunk too but I was getting it from legit suppliers that others were getting their stuff from.

Anyway, I brought up my puffy, sensitive, lumpy nips to my doc and he said it is fairly common and can be a result of puberty, even delayed onset puberty. Got a hormone panel done and I was a tad high for test levels. He said sometimes guys get higher natural test production later in adulthood which makes sense cause I still look very young for my age, and have just recently starting to grow more facial and body hair and be able to build muscle. I think I had some pubertal gyno cause I always had disfigured pecs around the nips. And I think they were exacerbated by DS to the point where surgery is now my only option.
 
ive been eating normal, and have stayed home from work to get sleep. plus for the test i had to be fasted anyways. so i took it this morning. i havnt hit the gym for 3 days, havnt lost any weight so im just trying to maintain till i can get back. im such a junkie for supps that its hard to go workout with no stims or pills of some sort.
 
I went to my doc today and he basically said i was retarded and didnt prescribe me sh*t. just sent me for blood work and wont give me tamox or clomid cuz it will just cancel out the bad side effects or something like that. i wanted to second guess him but he had a med school student with him.
 
Medical professionals are not there to judge you morally. They are there for your health.
 
gamer2be08 said:
Exactly, you DO NOT want steroid use on your records... Maybe you could tell the Doc "off the record" blah blah blah.... You could try nolva, and if that doesnt work, a letro taper. If your nips are still hurting, your estro levels are still high..
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I have to disagree. I know a few people that admitted to steroid use, and insurance still covered their treatments.
 
CopyCat said:
Medical professionals are not there to judge you morally. They are there for your health.
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You are right, but in terms of hormonal levels, the spectrum is so broad with them, that they believe they are always right and you are wrong. Very few doctors know of the extent of gyno and estrogen relation; especially when it comes to steroids. A lot of them will disagree with you on the gyno and say it may be fat or an oddly developed chest (my brother went to a couple of those docs). And a lot of docs that do believe you have gyno wont prescribe you a female specific drug to fix your problem.. IMO Docs are useless when it comes to body building ailments... HGH, letro, nolva and gyno surgery are your friends in that regard ;)...
 
mbacon said:
Where did you go wrong in your cycle that you wound up with gyno? That sucks man sorry to hear it.
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it's not that he did anything wrong, it just hapened. just a side effect to the compound. im lucky enough to have never gotten gyno.
 
glockgod said:
I have to disagree. I know a few people that admitted to steroid use, and insurance still covered their treatments.
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I have 3 friends at my gym, varying ages from 27 to 46 and they have all had their HRT payments from insurance dropped because when the insurance company researched into the reason as to why, steroids where on the description or reason for the tests. They told me that insurance does not cover HRT for steroid abuse cases.

Thats what i have been told, weather or not it works for some people or not, i honestly rather not have my recreational drug useage doctumented on medical records, even though HIPAA has strict regulations, i believe the least amount of self incriminiating documentation floating around the better.

As for if its true or not, I know of some cases where it was, I'm sure there are cases out there where that did not happen. But i generally try to play on the safe side of things
 
let us know when u get your results and the doctors ideas of how to fix them. Although i do suggest you do something ASAP since gyno will turn into fiberous tissue after enough time has passed by and the only way to get rid of a tissue build up is surgery, however if he does suggest surgery you can ask for the entire gland to be removed and that will prevent gyno from ever occurring again.
 
slacker86 said:
I have 3 friends at my gym, varying ages from 27 to 46 and they have all had their HRT payments from insurance dropped because when the insurance company researched into the reason as to why, steroids where on the description or reason for the tests. They told me that insurance does not cover HRT for steroid abuse cases.

Thats what i have been told, weather or not it works for some people or not, i honestly rather not have my recreational drug useage doctumented on medical records, even though HIPAA has strict regulations, i believe the least amount of self incriminiating documentation floating around the better.

As for if its true or not, I know of some cases where it was, I'm sure there are cases out there where that did not happen. But i generally try to play on the safe side of things
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On second thought you're right. I was thinking of med treatments and gyno surgery. HRT i never heard of.
 
well i got phone call from the docs office, and exactly what i feared the most happend. he suggests that everything is fine and that i should just stay off all supps and i will be alright. i would almost rather have the worst case scenario happen so that something can be done! my nips still hurt soooo bad. there isnt so much a lump but its really uncomfortable in a specific spot. i kinda dont doubt my serm was legit, maybe just underdosed and i shoulda threw in an additional AI and test booster. i just want my nips back to normal, so i can run more cycles.(dont criticize me for wanting to run more cycles in the future, anyone who has had a hangover has gotten drunk again soon after)

does anybody have any otc suggestions, cause i dont know if i want to risk any research chems, and i dont think i can get letro. damn it the doc was supposed to be the cure-all.
 
Unfortunately doctors don't care much about personal aesthetics (aside from plastic surgeons, of course). Not as much as they do medical issues threatening one's health. He won't do anything about your nip problems unless he's convinced they are a health risk, which they aren't so he won't.

Research chems are probably your best bet. You should be able to get Letro (if need be) from the same source you got your Nolva. OTC, you can try ATD, 6-oxo, formestane or something similar. Nip (no pun intended) it in the bud before it becomes a permanent problem, trust me it will save you lots of money and pain in the future.
 
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