MattPorter
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Dude John .....thats a lot of info to post on a thread without thumbnails lol
-Matt
-Matt
How to add Pp products to you Anti-Aging Medicines.
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HereToStudy
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God I hate message boards that don't auto thumbnail. Will have it fixed in a bit.
HereToStudy
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WARBIRDWS6
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Yeah I saw those results before, was happy I had ordered the AHv3 after having seen them lol. My only issue is this....with that rise in DHT how the hell are there no DHT sides to be found? 
seems "too good to be true". Anyways.....just ordered a bottle of androhardv3, HTS will be happy to know I tried using Fedex express saver 3 day to see if these clowns can get it to me by mid next week instead of end of next week or a week from monday LOL....I intend to dose it like this.....2 AHv3 WO days, 1 AHv3 non-WO days. just so I can do "1 1/2" a day and see how it treats me (BP, sides etc for long term use). of course along with the androgel, both the AHv3 and androgel 365. will cycle in AI and Divanil on a 2-3 month on 2-4 weeks off protocol. just to switch it up so I am not on an AI or divanil 365...not sure how good of an idea that is. although on TRT I suppose AI at 365 is not such a bad idea as when you are not on TRT.
Oh yeah, running dermacrine also at a few months on and about 2-4 weeks off year round. its expensive so maybe 50/50 or 60/40 on/off
seems "too good to be true". Anyways.....just ordered a bottle of androhardv3, HTS will be happy to know I tried using Fedex express saver 3 day to see if these clowns can get it to me by mid next week instead of end of next week or a week from monday LOL....I intend to dose it like this.....2 AHv3 WO days, 1 AHv3 non-WO days. just so I can do "1 1/2" a day and see how it treats me (BP, sides etc for long term use). of course along with the androgel, both the AHv3 and androgel 365. will cycle in AI and Divanil on a 2-3 month on 2-4 weeks off protocol. just to switch it up so I am not on an AI or divanil 365...not sure how good of an idea that is. although on TRT I suppose AI at 365 is not such a bad idea as when you are not on TRT.Oh yeah, running dermacrine also at a few months on and about 2-4 weeks off year round. its expensive so maybe 50/50 or 60/40 on/off
HereToStudy
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Because the sides are overblown and DHT receives more finger pointing than it deserves.
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
yeah I believe you are correct. esp in regards to prostate and BPH....but the scalp does seem sensitive to androgens...whether DHT or test or whatever compound...but I suppose it comes down to genetics in many cases since only some have issues with MPB....so maybe DHT isn't necessarily to blame there either...
MattPorter
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Its always nice to see real blood work backing up product....
Nothing feels more assuring than seeing proof....people can SAY this or that works...
but seeing numbers does help the mind feel at ease IMO
-Matt
Nothing feels more assuring than seeing proof....people can SAY this or that works...
but seeing numbers does help the mind feel at ease IMO
-Matt
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Exactly. I have run a Androhard different ways, different time frames, etc.. and never had any issue. Always felt boss too.
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
I was thinking the same thing, some AHv3 ED and androgel ED at low to moderate but effective doses, should be pretty nice year round.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Yeah, now stop telling how great it is. I am jealous of those that can blast and cruise. Maybe someday.
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
bwahahaha! yeah I know....its super easy to just be running TRT levels of test, along with whatever else you need (AI, DHT, etc) all year round (or almost all year round)....and not have to worry about PCT or test boosters or clomid and all that crapola, you just run cycles around a test base protocol you are already running....but then again, its preferable in my eyes to be younger/have normal test levels. I guess both options have their perks and disadvantages....
Spaniard
Well-known member
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I just read through and I agree with hts bro. The DAA would logically make sense to add but an exogenous source is going to shut you down whether its 4mg a day or 500... Your body doesn't do dose dependent regulation.
Personally, I'd throw that money in a different hat because you're really not going to get your moneys worth. Also, like HTS said STFU about blasting and cruising dick face ; )
WARBIRDWS6
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lol....at least I'm not one of those lucky bastards getting 200mg cyp per week, we ALL really hate those guys!
......but yeah, I sold all my test boosters, and bought/traded for dermacrine or AH or AI's. Just have some leftover AI DAA. but that is so cheap its not really worth messing with in trade or sale since its opened.
HereToStudy
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lol....at least I'm not one of those lucky bastards getting 200mg cyp per week, we ALL really hate those guys!
I told myself that even if I dont BB anymore, at some age I will go on TRT, even if I have to goto a clinic. I refuse to deal with declining levels.
WARBIRDWS6
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yeah I was pretty mortified that my test level was so low even after a clomid PCT and test boosters/AI's galore during 7/11 and osta (should have kept my levels pretty constant since that stuff is relatively non-suppressive)....I just can't be havin' that . At my age its not so bad though, much worse for the guys in their teens to early 30's.....kinda sucks to be on TRT at those ages. but you gotta do what you gotta do....
. At my age its not so bad though, much worse for the guys in their teens to early 30's.....kinda sucks to be on TRT at those ages. but you gotta do what you gotta do....
steak taco
New member
I'm one of guys cruising on 200 a week and it's great! Only downside is having to go in weekly for shot. Still on look out for doc that will let me self inject. I'm in mid thirties so I will be on TRT for a long time to come but no regrets from me or my wife.
I'm interested in trying PP products but the price to run hard for 8 weeks adds up fast. I remember u guys having killer sale last year but I didn't pull trigger in time.
Anybody have any more feedback on results from adding PP products to their TRT?
I'm interested in trying PP products but the price to run hard for 8 weeks adds up fast. I remember u guys having killer sale last year but I didn't pull trigger in time.
Anybody have any more feedback on results from adding PP products to their TRT?
MattPorter
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steak taco
New member
Thx Matt I'll keep that in mind
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
yeah for real, I've been picking up bottles of erase pro here and there for over a month now...got about 4 full bottles....also picked up 3 forma stanzol and am looking to grab some 6-bromo since its so damn cheap. I was planning ahead since I KNOW I am an estrogenic bitch.
WARBIRDWS6
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my plan is to add in low dose AHv3 with the TRT as an everyday thing....then cycle the AM or AB or AL throughout the year....with SD kickers (since we all have tons of it now lol). and of course cycle in other things like AAS such as deca or PH/DS like epi etc doesn't have to be just PP... This is how I intend to work them into my plans, just an idea of course....
lboston
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WARBIRDWS6 said:
I'd like to add on some methylated prohormones, but they scare me a tad...
I had liver cancer as a child and don't want to do anything to harsh. The doc had always said I have no restrictions regarding drinking, medications, etc...but I'm not sure how that compares to h-drol, epi, or SD. I'm actually on TRT from having naturally low T levels due, more than likely, from high doses of chemo.
That's why I'm inclined to do a non-methyl like a 1-dhea product first. I just don't know I'd the weekly test dose I'm on would counteract the effectiveness of the product.
WARBIRDWS6
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I would say the 7/11 (AL) and/or the DHT (AH) would work best with TRT (test). Since the AM (V2 and V3) is used as more of a test base, it seems kind of redundant to use with TRT....but If I was running deca? with the TRT? I'd def run some andromass in addition to the TRT to help counteract any sides the 3-400mg of deca per week might bring on. Although..... ABv3 and AMv3 have 19-nor and DHT respectively, in addition to the 4Dhea, so they should stack reasonably well with TRT....The only one I'd say might be a bad idea is either AMv2 (for sure), or to a lesser extent AMv3...might as well just use the AHv3 instead of the AMv3 you know? and the AL works great alongside TRT if you are looking to burn fat or recomp.....
bluerocket
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Hey ST ..... I'm on TRT ... have been on TRT for alittle over a year. I have a log on AH/AL/AE you can check out here ....
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I have had tremendous results from PP products .... if you have the time check the log ... there are also lots of pics that show my progress. If you have any other questions ... feel free to pm me .
steak taco
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bluerocket said:
Thx for info. Very impressive and lots of hard work on your end for sure!
HereToStudy
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The same way as the non-TRT user, in fact you would probably have a better experience.
Look at it this way, even with limited suppression the average user will have AndroMass + natural test, and that natural test over time will suppress slightly.
With a TRT person, you don't have that issue, because your levels are stabilized by your TRT.
MattPorter
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you will get the benefits of higher levels of 4androstendiol which aid in anti inflammation, increased sex drive, heightened sense of well-being, glycogen synthase upregulator etc...
-matt
sabre2
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Awesome thread, I am exploring HRT now. Posted on PP's forum and the only answer I got was that I would not need the Andro series on HRT. Which made no sense to me. The information in this thread does make sense. So I have a question if someone knows the answer I would appreciate it. How long after ending a cycle can I go in for HRT blood work evaluation, and can I do so while on PCT? I am currently 5 weeks into an AndroLean + AndroHard Cycle, did 2 AndroMass + AndroBulk + PCT's prior (Love Primordial's product's BTW). I am 47 and considering ending this cycle early to get on HRT asap.
Thanks in advance,
Thanks in advance,
Spaniard
Well-known member
Just a heads up for anyone on HRT/TRT. I would NOT get hormone levels tested during a cycle of adding anything to your hormone therapy. Reason being that I have seen insurances cancel coverage after having levels of +1500 ng/dl. Your endo or clinic may also lower the prescription to accommodate for the higher levels. Just a heads up : )
kisaj
Legend
Not to play doctor, but I hope that those of you just throwing around the idea of going on TRT are doing it for the right reasons. There are too many doctors that don't know what they are doing and will simply see a low test number and prescribe. There are so many factors involved when determining the reason for low test, that it takes time, investigation, and a knowledgeable specialist.
Just throwing it out there, but you can really F with your life if you are just playing around with TRT.
Just throwing it out there, but you can really F with your life if you are just playing around with TRT.
HereToStudy
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Not sure who told you that, they might have misinterpreted the question. Wait after using the TRS. Unless you are looking to show a low T count, but Andro isn't terribly suppressive.
WARBIRDWS6
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yeah, I hope I can go take my hormone panel AFTER this next cycle. I keep delaying it, mainly from being "too fat" , but now another delay I'd be super pissed. I figure 2 weeks till cycle, should be 3 refills left on the androgel once adjusted up to 5g....so 3 months minus 2 months and 2 weeks = 1-2 weeks off before testing. I am assuming they will go for the 3 month period before testing...they are not on my ass in any way, almost as if they don't really care if I check my test level with them. but I'll suggest the 3 months thing, see what happens. I figure about 10 days or so removed from ABv3 and SD should be fine....not sure if I can continue the AHv3 at 1-2 a day into the blood test? they don't test me for DHT....depends on if I run the SD at 10mg for 6 weeks or 8 weeks as to how long I'll be off of that, and I figure that is the major issue....
, but now another delay I'd be super pissed. I figure 2 weeks till cycle, should be 3 refills left on the androgel once adjusted up to 5g....so 3 months minus 2 months and 2 weeks = 1-2 weeks off before testing. I am assuming they will go for the 3 month period before testing...they are not on my ass in any way, almost as if they don't really care if I check my test level with them. but I'll suggest the 3 months thing, see what happens. I figure about 10 days or so removed from ABv3 and SD should be fine....not sure if I can continue the AHv3 at 1-2 a day into the blood test? they don't test me for DHT....depends on if I run the SD at 10mg for 6 weeks or 8 weeks as to how long I'll be off of that, and I figure that is the major issue....sabre2
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Thanks for the response. I just don't want to show elevated T count, I am taking DHEA also. But it sounds like I can do the blood work while on cycle, correct? Thanks again,
HereToStudy
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No, because the hormones in the product will change levels, some have had T show very high.
WARBIRDWS6
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lol....looks like you guys need to explain shyt better I guess
HereToStudy
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Ok...
Your bloodtest will be unpredictable on cycle. Some have seen an increase, some a decrease, some baseline. Probably depends on both timing and internal chemistry (how much converts at each stage).
In PCT, (as in immediate post cycle), you will be slightly lower than baseline, and some even come out at baseline. That is why we pitch these as minimally suppressive.
Post PCT you levels will be baseline/high.
If you are trying to falsify a bloodtest to go on TRT, run something suppressive up to the test and discontinue it 24-48 hours prior.
Your bloodtest will be unpredictable on cycle. Some have seen an increase, some a decrease, some baseline. Probably depends on both timing and internal chemistry (how much converts at each stage).
In PCT, (as in immediate post cycle), you will be slightly lower than baseline, and some even come out at baseline. That is why we pitch these as minimally suppressive.
Post PCT you levels will be baseline/high.
If you are trying to falsify a bloodtest to go on TRT, run something suppressive up to the test and discontinue it 24-48 hours prior.
WARBIRDWS6
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you forgot to add the *"not that I condone such behavior"
my thing is this.....if I'm on SD and ABv3 and whatever else ....how the hell could that impact my EXOGENOUS test levels? my endogenous is at zero if I'm taking androgel right? how could the SD and/or ABv3 cause my androgel enhanced test levels to give a false low/high reading? that is what I wan to know. it would seem the androgel test is the only thing that is gonna "come up as test" on the bloodwork...not like SD or anything else can crush exogenous test right? or test out as actual test.... and supposedly the ABv3 and androseries don't affect actual test levels to any significant degree...I just don't understand. But I'm gonna try to fit the bloodwork in after 2 1/2 months on the 5g androgel upgrade I start this weekend or monday, and after the SD/ABv3 cycle (and no dermacrine either, that I will discontinue that previous to the cycle since there is plenty of DHEA running around already in that cycle). the AHv3 I figure to just run on through since they don't test for DHT. or they haven't yet
All I want is an explanation of WHY i can't test for my "on androgel test levels" while on SD/ABv3....someone has to have an explanation for this. I understand while on TESTOSTERONE in addition to TRT ...YES that affects your levels. but SD? or Androseries?
lboston
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WARBIRDWS6 said:you forgot to add the *"not that I condone such behavior"
my thing is this.....if I'm on SD and ABv3 and whatever else ....how the hell could that impact my EXOGENOUS test levels? my endogenous is at zero if I'm taking androgel right? how could the SD and/or ABv3 cause my androgel enhanced test levels to give a false low/high reading? that is what I wan to know. it would seem the androgel test is the only thing that is gonna "come up as test" on the bloodwork...not like SD or anything else can crush exogenous test right? or test out as actual test.... and supposedly the ABv3 and androseries don't affect actual test levels to any significant degree...I just don't understand. But I'm gonna try to fit the bloodwork in after 2 1/2 months on the 5g androgel upgrade I start this weekend or monday, and after the SD/ABv3 cycle (and no dermacrine either, that I will discontinue that previous to the cycle since there is plenty of DHEA running around already in that cycle). the AHv3 I figure to just run on through since they don't test for DHT. or they haven't yet
I'm curious as to that as well.
Spaniard
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WARBIRDWS6 said:you forgot to add the *"not that I condone such behavior"
my thing is this.....if I'm on SD and ABv3 and whatever else ....how the hell could that impact my EXOGENOUS test levels? my endogenous is at zero if I'm taking androgel right? how could the SD and/or ABv3 cause my androgel enhanced test levels to give a false low/high reading? that is what I wan to know. it would seem the androgel test is the only thing that is gonna "come up as test" on the bloodwork...not like SD or anything else can crush exogenous test right? or test out as actual test.... and supposedly the ABv3 and androseries don't affect actual test levels to any significant degree...I just don't understand. But I'm gonna try to fit the bloodwork in after 2 1/2 months on the 5g androgel upgrade I start this weekend or monday, and after the SD/ABv3 cycle (and no dermacrine either, that I will discontinue that previous to the cycle since there is plenty of DHEA running around already in that cycle). the AHv3 I figure to just run on through since they don't test for DHT. or they haven't yet
Dude... They don't test for exogenous vs endogenous. I think that's where you're hung up. If you're on Andro gel, then that, on top of your normal levels is what it will read.
Here lets say:
You BL (base line) = 260 ng/dl
They rx you 2mg (not very familiar with gel dosages since I think they are worthless).
That 2mg bumps you up 560 ng/dl which will equal end result 820 ng/dl total test.
The reason you would pop hot is, the total test levels would be astronomically high 2-3k+, in some individuals. At which point in time, you can be sure they would order a more thorough test.
SD I'm not as familiar with and I don't think would show up, BUT it MAY convert somewhere downstream to a testosterone metabolite.
In regards to the Andro Series, (most being metabolites of t) they have a very good chance of raising what you already have while "on", since the hormone + natural levels = total.
Spaniard
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In addition to above ^ the AHV3 WILL possibly make you read extremely high man. Just because the target hormone is DHT absolutely does NOT GUARANTEE that it will not convert to test. These different metabolites can convert to different things. Also, I'm not familiar with your clinic and how they test but my buddy at the station Total t levels were somewhere around 2600 on ahv3 and trt NOTHING else. His insurance canceled coverage.