would you take on an oral only cycle? But just for estrogen, not for anything else.
Where was your e2 at when you took 20? Did you use an ai?I'd say 20-30 mg of good Dbol should be fine (I did dbol only cycles)
Original doses for TRT were 5-10mg daily. I'd think either will provide sufficient E2. It forms a methyl version with a longer active life.would you take on an oral only cycle? But just for estrogen, not for anything else.
5 - 10 hm, tnx. It really dose aromatise heavily, that's why we get bloated af on 30 - 40mg's ...Original doses for TRT were 5-10mg daily. I'd think either will provide sufficient E2. It forms a methyl version with a longer active life.
So, dbol doesn't arometise as much as it's estrogen stays longer in your system and thus starts to build up ...Metandienone is a substrate for aromatase and can be metabolized into the estrogen methylestradiol (17α-methylestradiol). While the rate of aromatization is reduced relative to that for testosterone or methyltestosterone, the estrogen produced is metabolism-resistant and hence metandienone retains moderate estrogenic activity.
per W. Llewellyn Anabolics books. Couldn't find an electronic version.
I think eq arometises even less then that. Like 20% or smthn in those lines.D-bol is 17-AA boldenone and the parent hormone only aromatizes about 50% mg for mg as testosterone. This fits with D-bol's characteristics. The estrogen it makes is a cousin to birth control, methyl-estrogens. Methyltestosterone is so bad because it heavily aromatizes.
I understand those are very different compounds, but... which one do you like better? Mg per mg which one would you say puts more lean mass and strength on you (obviously dbol is going to put on lot more weight).D-bol only with an AI isn't a terrible cycle but people tend to ramp doses way up. I use 15-20mg when I do and love it, by far my favorite oral compound. I like Anavar too at 20mgs daily. I've found most people use too much of everything trying to rush gains. Strength and growth can't be rushed.
EQ's androgenic rating is tied to it's ability to aromatize, hence 50% compared to Test. Nandrolone is 20% partially due to this too.I think eq arometises even less then that. Like 20% or smthn in those lines.
Yeah, dbol's estro is really nasty haha
At the doses I like, it's likely a toss up for different reasons. Anavar is proven in research to burn fat, heal collagen, and increase ATP within the muscles. All this leads to better gains. D-bol is renowned for it's strength increases but is probably stronger mg for mg comparatively. The lipid aspects aren't good but are over blown plus dosage matters. Birth control is 17-AA too but tiny doses.I understand those are very different compounds, but... which one do you like better? Mg per mg which one would you say puts more lean mass and strength on you (obviously dbol is going to put on lot more weight).
Both of them sh1t on lipids and cause liver enzymes to go up, that is understandable.
I'm going to second this, 5-10, maybe 15 to 20 in the case of a ugl possibly being underdosed.Original doses for TRT were 5-10mg daily. I'd think either will provide sufficient E2. It forms a methyl version with a longer active life.
I also second the too much drugs and food won't dramatically speed up growth. It just makes you strong and fat and I got the pics to prove itD-bol only with an AI isn't a terrible cycle but people tend to ramp doses way up. I use 15-20mg when I do and love it, by far my favorite oral compound. I like Anavar too at 20mgs daily. I've found most people use too much of everything (including food) trying to rush gains. Strength and growth can't be rushed.
And you sweat a lot and have high bpI also second the too much drugs and food won't dramatically speed up growth. It just makes you strong and fat and I got the pics to prove it
My stash was tested, hence 15-20mg dosing for D-bol. Otherwise I agree.I'm going to second this, 5-10, maybe 15 to 20 in the case of a ugl possibly being underdosed.
This should be more then enough to cover estrogen.
Tnx for inputting.I'm going to second this, 5-10, maybe 15 to 20 in the case of a ugl possibly being underdosed.
This should be more then enough to cover estrogen.
What's the actual game plan, I'm a little confused.Tnx for inputting.
I've got pharmacom's 10mg pills ...
I'm also comfusedWhat's the actual game plan, I'm a little confused.
Oooo, ok that's tricky.I am on tamox, 20mg, fobc of gyno, and want to add something, but not get shutdown ...
Yup. So adding test is out of the question.Oooo, ok that's tricky.
Yup, exactly. 20tbol 10dbol maybe. Or 20 tbol + topical e2 ... but don't want to use orals really bc i've got some kind of gut inflamation. This is why I have topical estrogen. Mast or primo at 100 - 200 probably.What about a mild dht compound
I know a lot of guys hate on sarms, but hear me out. Rad 140 at 20-30mg will give you a tiny boost in strength and a little muscle building action. But it also had a real feel good mental effect for my. It's not going to aggravate your gyno. And shouldn't give you total shutdown, especially with a serm alongside it. I think that could be a good optionYup. So adding test is out of the question.
I want to feel better, as I feel like chit on tamox. Proviron at 50mg isn't helping.
No, I've used things too add more estrogen to a cycle but I have never used exogenous estrogen pills or transdermals before. So nothing I am saying is from real world experience.Nope. Never. You?
Hey whatever info you can provide would be great. As of now, I have no idea how much topical e2 I need. That's still on the to do research list.I could ask around which I plan on because I wanna know more. But I'm not going to me much help outside of ....
How much to use for exogenous estrogen would be my number one concern. But ya il see what I can find outHey whatever info you can provide would be great. As of now, I have no idea how much topical e2 I need. That's still on the to do research list.
I wonder however, what would be the difference between dbol or estro. They have different metabolites.
Yeah, off course. I need a starting point and from there on it's doing labs. It's hard to dose accurately to as it's a spray. So taking dbol is simpler in this regard.How much to use for exogenous estrogen would be my number one concern.
I'm not sure I want to Google that lolYeah, off course. I need a starting point and from there on it's doing labs. It's hard to dose accurately to as it's a spray. So taking dbol is simpler in this regard.
Google Lenzetto. It's so weirdly shaped. Who ever designed this, deserves a medal. Looks like a weirdly overgrown women's clit combined with a dick/dildo. Weird.