How much BCAA to counteract not enough protein

[redeye43]

I have been struggling with appetite lately and was wondering how many grams of BCAA would be sufficient in making up for the lack of protein?

I shoot for 250 because I am cutting but often barely reach 200 grams total I've been using BCAAs to fill the gap but am unsure on what number to shoot for. I have a stockpile of MOdern BCAA and it is very easy for me to drink as opposed to real food lately

I know it is not ideal but it is what it is

 

[hambone2493]

Honestly dude if your I doubt think you need to try and compensate. 200gs is a solid number imo, and a bcaa supplement obviously doesn't have the rest of the aminos, so taking excessive amounts of bcaas wouldn't really compensate for the lack of protein because your probably already flooded with bcaas. So I think as long as you get something like 5-12gs post work out of bcaas you'll be alright.

 

[hambone2493]

I should reread the beginning of that lol

 

[hambone2493]

I can't do grammar....

 

[Nac]

Why bcaa over pro powder?

 

[redeye43]

Why bcaa over pro powder?

I got sick of the protein powder, I have since moved to bcaa ha and plus the large amount of bcaas I have right now

 

[redeye43]

Honestly dude if your I doubt think you need to try and compensate. 200gs is a solid number imo, and a bcaa supplement obviously doesn't have the rest of the aminos, so taking excessive amounts of bcaas wouldn't really compensate for the lack of protein because your probably already flooded with bcaas. So I think as long as you get something like 5-12gs post work out of bcaas you'll be alright.

I like to get 1.5g per pound when cutting which is why I want to be as close to 250g total

 

[hambone2493]

Makes sense! I guess if you supplemented a variety of aminos you'd be taking care of your protein intake, but you might as well just drink more whey or eat more...

 

[supadupastar]

2g per lbs is what you should aim for. If you dont see yourself hitting your proteins the easiest for me is a proteinbar. That gives about 22g easy. If you have a hard time with eating try anabeta elite, that stuff makes you hungry.

 

[hambone2493]

I like to buy plain Greek yogurt and put protein powder in it so it adds flavor and macros

 

[brofessorx]

Look into syntrax nectar protein. Best flavored isolate. I know peeps dislike the company, but I don't care about politics, they got the best tasting whey isolates imo.

It'll give you all you essential and non essential amino's.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

"Muscle Loss" is soooooooooooooo over-worried about. 2g per pound?! - as in weight on the scale that includes fat, water, organs, and bone? Good lord. At 165lbs, you'd be fine at 120g (1.6g/kg). 1.8g/kg (Menno Henselman) is 135g, and Eric Helm's "Bodybuilder in prep getting to ~5% body fat" recco is 2.4g/kg or 187 grams.

But to answer your question - Churchward-Venne showed that 6g of Whey, bolstered by 5g of Leucine, had the same MPS as 25g of Whey. Now, MPS isn't the be all, end all, and doesn't translate 1 to 1 into adding muscle. And I'd go EAA over BCAA any day, if for some reason you can't eat food or drink Casein/Whey.

BTW, at 6' 0.5", around 215 lbs - I did a "true" Keto diet measuring blood BhB: I needed to drop to under 70g of protein a day to get above 0.5mmol/l: I didn't lose anything I could measure as far as muscle goes.

Muscle loss... hehehehehehehe

"If you train it, it will stay" - 'Field of Dreams Gym'

 

[APC80]

I like to get 1.5g per pound when cutting which is why I want to be as close to 250g total

1.5 is a bit of overkill. 0.6g/lb is enough when bulking, 1g/lb is plenty for cutting. You can go to 1.2 but there's really no need to go higher than that. If it's you're personal preference to eat 1.5g/lb for satiety or the thermogenic benefits then work away but don't stress about it.

 

[LeanEngineer]

2g per lbs is what you should aim for. If you dont see yourself hitting your proteins the easiest for me is a proteinbar. That gives about 22g easy. If you have a hard time with eating try anabeta elite, that stuff makes you hungry.

Agreed with this. ABE would be a great addition to add in and is an awesome natty product which will help you increase appetite. Then you should definitely have some hunger for more protein powder or more whole food.

 

[heavylifter33]

I have been struggling with appetite lately and was wondering how many grams of BCAA would be sufficient in making up for the lack of protein?

I shoot for 250 because I am cutting but often barely reach 200 grams total I've been using BCAAs to fill the gap but am unsure on what number to shoot for. I have a stockpile of MOdern BCAA and it is very easy for me to drink as opposed to real food lately

I know it is not ideal but it is what it is

Unless you're starving yourself, you won't see muscle loss on even .8g of protein per lb of body weight. .6g is roughly our minimum.

Protein needs, always overblown.

 

[rascal14]

"Muscle Loss" is soooooooooooooo over-worried about. 2g per pound?! - as in weight on the scale that includes fat, water, organs, and bone? Good lord. At 165lbs, you'd be fine at 120g (1.6g/kg). 1.8g/kg (Menno Henselman) is 135g, and Eric Helm's "Bodybuilder in prep getting to ~5% body fat" recco is 2.4g/kg or 187 grams.

But to answer your question - Churchward-Venne showed that 6g of Whey, bolstered by 5g of Leucine, had the same MPS as 25g of Whey. Now, MPS isn't the be all, end all, and doesn't translate 1 to 1 into adding muscle. And I'd go EAA over BCAA any day, if for some reason you can't eat food or drink Casein/Whey.

BTW, at 6' 0.5", around 215 lbs - I did a "true" Keto diet measuring blood BhB: I needed to drop to under 70g of protein a day to get above 0.5mmol/l: I didn't lose anything I could measure as far as muscle goes.

Muscle loss... hehehehehehehe

"If you train it, it will stay" - 'Field of Dreams Gym'

This is what I was going to say, if you can preserve muscle on a true Keto diet, you should be fine with getting just a small amount of protein some days.

 

[Young Gotti]

I've also been having trouble eating recently not sure why....I'd be more concerned with the calories than the overall protein

someone mentioned yogurt mixed with protein powder....I find when I'm having trouble putting down food that tends to be dry that something like a yogurt makes eating a lot easier, if you don't enjoy protein powder you could grab a flavored greek yogurt

 

[dvw]

I am 236 lbs at 16.5 % BF and I only need about 180 grams protein a day to maintain Muscle mass

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I am 236 lbs at 16.5 % BF and I only need about 180 grams protein a day to maintain Muscle mass

Yup - that's in there, between 1.6 and 1.8g/kg :thumbsup:

 

[GreenMachineX]

Yup - that's in there, between 1.6 and 1.8g/kg :thumbsup:

I'm in this camp too. I get 160-180 grams a day just by eating 3 balanced meals with 50-60g per meal and I weigh 100kg. I lose muscle by not training it, not by "not enough protein".

 

[brofessorx]

I don't even eat protein!