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How long and what to expect from test e

monsterish said:
**** running more than one compound on your first cycle. You will never know how well u respond to just test. You will have very favorable results at 500mg a week as long as you lift like a savage and eat enough food. If you must stack with anything at all I would do dbol or sdrol for the first 6 weeks.

Also why would u run a cut for your first cycle? Sounds pointless to me. First cycle should be all about the gains.
Also I didn't see hcg in your cycle. I would include it if I were you. It'll make your pct go a lot smoother.
Just my .2
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its preferrence but in my opinion the guys that run prohormones here are so anal about everything up to what multi vitamins they take that the could run a basic cycle no problem, its not rocket science and is far easier than you think
 
I agree that it takes a few weeks to fully feel the test kick in. Which I why I meant to mention he should run the cycle a little longer more like 15 weeks imo.

And yes like you I know how I react to different compound. But this guy does not. Which is why he should keep it simple on his first.
Also the problem with running something like dbol could pose a problem e2 wise for the first time user. Maybe a non aromatizing oral would be better
 
heckler7 said:
its preferrence but in my opinion the guys that run prohormones here are so anal about everything up to what multi vitamins they take that the could run a basic cycle no problem, its not rocket science and is far easier than you think
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Lol pro hormones aren't **** compared to an aas cycle. I know a basic cycle is just that basic. But someone who doesn't know how to dial in they're e2 could have some issues. Which is why I say keeping it simple helps you figure how your body reacts
 
monsterish said:
Lol pro hormones aren't **** compared to an aas cycle. I know a basic cycle is just that basic. But someone who doesn't know how to dial in they're e2 could have some issues. Which is why I say keeping it simple helps you figure how your body reacts
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as long as you prepared for the side and have AIs and serms, its not hard, I have been doing it for years, and if I can do it anyone can
 
TMloc said:
It took me dam near 10 mins to pin..I almost talk myself out of it..
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lolz, been pinning for over 10 years, some tren in a slin pin no problem, that one inch needle full of 2mls of test and deca I get a little hesitant everytime, I hate needles
 
Bry17 said:
In rats as far as is known for most of them. And that is dose dependent

The ratios in rats are completly false and they do not show the actual ratings in humans, years of usage does. They act differently in your body it's not just dosage.

You might get better gains at equivalently high dosages who knows, I know you're probably going to get more out of 1g/week test than most other injectables run at half that dose

Again, this is all dose dependent not to mention the quality of what is being taken

Not really cause you're dealing with an insane bloat at that dosage and tren is by far stronger than testosterone even at half dosage, primo isn't..

If a substance is more potent mg for mg than another that means it requires less mg's to net similar effects
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The ratios in rats are completly false and they do not show the actual ratings in humans, years of usage does. They act differently in your body it's not just dosage.

Not really cause you're dealing with an insane bloat at that dosage and tren is by far stronger than testosterone even at half dosage, primo isn't..

No it just means that compound is stronger per mg. Different compounds can do different things. Winstrol dries you out, anadrol adds more mass.

You have to look at the effective dosage. Winstrol might be stronger per mg than tbol but it doesn't mean tbol isn't stronger than winstrol at its effective dosage for pure musclemass.
 
heckler7 said:
getting over that first pin all the anxiety and PIP, once you do a cycle its game on
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I agree the first pin is the worst it's not so bad after that. But I still get that first time pin anxiety sometimes lol.

And yes as long as he has an ai on hand hes good. I personally like aromasin.
 
monsterish said:
Lol pro hormones aren't **** compared to an aas cycle. I know a basic cycle is just that basic. But someone who doesn't know how to dial in they're e2 could have some issues. Which is why I say keeping it simple helps you figure how your body reacts
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Many phs are stronger than (real aas)
 
monsterish said:
I agree the first pin is the worst it's not so bad after that. But I still get that first time pin anxiety sometimes lol.

And yes as long as he has an ai on hand hes good. I personally like aromasin.
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I use both asin and adex, if your on a heavy cycle they both act completely diferrently, asin will eliminate the E2 in your system and adex binds to whats left circulating.
 
Bry17 said:
Obviously, yes in most cases. You really don't understand what I meant do you?



I have run inj. tren, and liked test better than that particular compound.

Tell me, what is a real cycle?

Does it include cycle support? Do I need to pre-load HB?? :rolleyes:
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not gonna argue with you bro, you obviousley have more internet gainz than me. just adding in some real expireience to help the op and others
 
heckler7 said:
I use both asin and adex, if your on a heavy cycle they both act completely diferrently, asin will eliminate the E2 in your system and adex binds to whats left circulating.
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Sounds to me like overkill. You mean u use both at the same time? To me I would think you would crash your e2 doing that. Unless you're extremely prone to e2 sides.
I've ran 2 g a week and only needed 12.5mg of aromasin a week. Although I'm not very prone to estro sides
 
Chados said:
No it just means that compound is stronger per mg. Different compounds can do different things. Winstrol dries you out, anadrol adds more mass.

You have to look at the effective dosage. Winstrol might be stronger per mg than tbol but it doesn't mean tbol isn't stronger than winstrol at its effective dosage for pure musclemass.
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Edit: apologies
 
Nac said:
I kinda agree.

If I were to do this all again, I wouldnt bother with a test-only cycle. I get the argument for starting simple, but to me test-only is just not efficient. Id do a trt dose (100mg), then add something like 500mg NPP as my cycle. Minimal fuss with e2 sides, great gainz and recomping.
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Literally what I’m doing for my first cycle!! Any pointers? And what should I expect for gains? I’m thinking 200mg if test a week though.
 
To be honest this mantra of test only cycle is good. Why? Weeell how many bro's do you know in your gym that are on a cycle and don't know what a serm or an Ai is?

Having such a strong mantra about test only cycle: 500mg/week, do bloods 4/5 weeks in to check e2, add Ai accordingly, hcg, pct, etc., makes sure that this is what bro's will read first when doing their research and probably actually follow the simple rules. There is just to many bro's that have no idea what they are doing and probably wont even do bloods. So writting this mantra all over the internet is a good safety measure imo.

It's far from being a rocket science yeah but when dealing with the masses people are stupid :)
 
Bry17 said:
You came severely unprepared.

Listen, I'll spare you any further embarrassment and we'll just call it a night
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Haha exactly why are you so mad dude?. How's your childish comments giving anything to this conversation? I answered you politely and you're telling me I don't get what you're saying without explaining why? I tell you I did answer why (which I did) and your answer to that is

Try not to discount years of research in a single sentence.

Now I ask you what exactly have I discounted? Nothing that's what and you probably know this by now since you obviously googled it and realized you actually had the wrong information about it all. Now to not make it awkard for you I will tiger roll away and pretend this conversation never happened.
 
I want to start a test only beginner cycle but after being on this thread I am a little hesitant now. What is a good beginner injectable to pair with test for a beginner? A friend of mine has numerous cycles under his belt and recommended 300ml test combined with 200 of tren. What I have heard about tren is that the sides are horrific. What do you guys think??
 
khall1974 said:
I want to start a test only beginner cycle but after being on this thread I am a little hesitant now. What is a good beginner injectable to pair with test for a beginner? A friend of mine has numerous cycles under his belt and recommended 300ml test combined with 200 of tren. What I have heard about tren is that the sides are horrific. What do you guys think??
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Now if you're gonna go that low on tren you might as well run primo at 500 to save yourself from the damage and the possible horrible sides like anxiety and paranoia. If you're not a huge guy with problems growing stay away from tren cause you can get the results without it.



Anavar,primo,eq, tbol.. pick one and run it safely (not too high)
 
khall1974 said:
I want to start a test only beginner cycle but after being on this thread I am a little hesitant now. What is a good beginner injectable to pair with test for a beginner? A friend of mine has numerous cycles under his belt and recommended 300ml test combined with 200 of tren. What I have heard about tren is that the sides are horrific. What do you guys think??
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Tren is not for first-timers. I personally wouldn’t recommend any 19-Nor compound for beginners as they can add additional complexity & be more suppressive, but especially not tren.

Listen to the message here: keep it simple. Everyone has said either test only or lower test with EQ or NPP. MAYBE an oral. But EQ you’ve gotta watch hematocrit & NPP the prolactin.
 
khall1974 said:
I want to start a test only beginner cycle but after being on this thread I am a little hesitant now. What is a good beginner injectable to pair with test for a beginner? A friend of mine has numerous cycles under his belt and recommended 300ml test combined with 200 of tren. What I have heard about tren is that the sides are horrific. What do you guys think??
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If you start your first cycle with one of the strongest compounds out there where will u have to go from there? Imo one should start with the the lighter compounds such as test and deca, maybe some dbol for a kickstart. As you grow you will need to stack stronger compounds to keep growing. I know this by experience.
Also stronger is not always better. I can grow like a weed on a good dose of test and deca.

Ppl always wanna get all crazy on their first run. But trust me if you dont have the proper diet you won't be happy with your results no matter what u run.

Keep it simple. 500mg test e a week for 15 weeks. Dont forget to have an ai on hand and run hcg along side.
Eat like a monster and lift accordingly I can promise you you will be amazed
 
Nac said:
I could personally care less about mg for mg comparisons, and neither care if test is a naturally occuring compound or not.

For all the "run test at 500mg per wk" advocations "to see how you respond"...I have never since, nor ever again plan to, run test above trt doses. So for me at least, and Im sure there are others, running a blast dose of test as a first cycle makes little sense at all if the trend going forward is "trt dose + blast compound/s".

Yeah yeah, benefit of hindsight.
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exactly. hats my point also. i never suggest running test only. depends on goal. test/npp or test/EQ
 
Hyde said:
Tren is not for first-timers. I personally wouldn’t recommend any 19-Nor compound for beginners as they can add additional complexity & be more suppressive, but especially not tren.

Listen to the message here: keep it simple. Everyone has said either test only or lower test with EQ or NPP. MAYBE an oral. But EQ you’ve gotta watch hematocrit & NPP the prolactin.
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i drop blood before and after
 
Cgkone said:
exactly. hats my point also. i never suggest running test only. depends on goal. test/npp or test/EQ
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Goals have nothing to do with compounds to be honest. Diet dictates that. You can cut on ANY compound and also bulk on any.
U think the guys in the 70s had all the **** we do now? No they had the basics and were still able to come in shredded. It's all about e2 control that will dictate if you're watery or not as well as diet.
 
Cgkone said:
i drop blood before and after
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Yup, simple fix. Phlebotomy & maybe some iron if bloodwork indicates after. But these noobies just pop onto a forum, read eq can provide some really quality gains over 16 weeks, and hop on without even knowing that, so I mentioned it.
 
Jinsun said:
lol are you saying you do this on your own??
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i do.
i had melanoma which was just stage 1 but im flagged fro giving blood for 3 years .
i cant be having thick a$$ blood messing me up so remove my own every7 weeks. it really easy
 
monsterish said:
Goals have nothing to do with compounds to be honest. Diet dictates that. You can cut on ANY compound and also bulk on any.
U think the guys in the 70s had all the **** we do now? No they had the basics and were still able to come in shredded. It's all about e2 control that will dictate if you're watery or not as well as diet.
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do you know how many in the people in th 70s could bench 500lbs compared to now?
you were a FREAK if you pushed 500 back then. i personally know 5 guys that hit 500. they dont do it on primo either
different compounds are just like different tools.
i agree diet is key. but the right compound is just as important IMO.
i just happen to think test only cycles are a waste.
 
Cgkone said:
i do.
i had melanoma which was just stage 1 but im flagged fro giving blood for 3 years .
i cant be having thick a$$ blood messing me up so remove my own every7 weeks. it really easy
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Damn sorry to hear that man.

Ugh doing it on your own sounds like next level to me. Well at least you don't have to buy fake blood for halloween...
 
Jinsun said:
Damn sorry to hear that man.

Ugh doing it on your own sounds like next level to me. Well at least you don't have to buy fake blood for halloween...
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blood collection bags on ebay cost about 15$. it takes about 5minutes to draw a pint of blood. i use the blood in my garden. injections and blood drawing are very simple.
 
Cgkone said:
do you know how many in the people in th 70s could bench 500lbs compared to now?
you were a FREAK if you pushed 500 back then. i personally know 5 guys that hit 500. they dont do it on primo either
different compounds are just like different tools.
i agree diet is key. but the right compound is just as important IMO.
i just happen to think test only cycles are a waste.
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I agree that we have a lot more tools now including HGH and if which is why we see mass monsters and the numbers u speak of. But that was not my point.
My point was that you can do either cut or bulk on any compound if you know what you're doing. Ppl tend to believe that oh **** I need to run this or that to obtain this goal. It's just not true.

I for one love test. I'm just at strong on a gram of test than anything else.

I just believe its smart to start simple if you're a noob
 
Hyde said:
People do, but if they will let you donating blood is the easiest. Or doctor-ordered Phlebotomy after that.
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I've never done this, donated or otherwise... But did wonder about it; you donate after the cycle, after pct, when you have no aas in your blood right? :) And is the blood actually usable for other patients if it's so soon after the cycle?
 
Jinsun said:
I've never done this, donated or otherwise... But did wonder about it; you donate after the cycle, after pct, when you have no aas in your blood right? :) And is the blood actually usable for other patients if it's so soon after the cycle?
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Guys do it whenever. They don’t check the blood. There are countless pints of blood carrying exogenous androgens out there and if you have had a blood transfusion hopefully you got the good stuff lol

I am not talking morality. I’m saying it’s a fact that blood gets donated that shouldn’t, and it’s not checked.
 
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