How effective really is injectable IGF?

TheGame46

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Finally research had been done that shows us exactly how effective the IGF we use to inj is compared to the gene doping research that most of the studies boasting IGF claims are based on. This first study compared directly the IGF-gene tranfer to adminstering the IGF-I peptide systemically. Gene transfer was superior by no surprise, but what is good news is that IGF-I hastened functional recovery, regardless of the route of IGF-I administration. The systemic IGF took a whole 7 days to give the same muscle recovery as the gene doping did, (21 dasy compared to 14). This is because it is easier for gene doping to result in the intracellular signaling.
Below is another study that shows that systemic IGF is effective at repairing muscles in mice with MD.
Comparative evaluation of IGF-I gene transfer and IGF-I protein administration for enhancing skeletal muscle regeneration after injury.

· Schertzer JD,

· Lynch GS.

1Basic and Clinical Myology Laboratory, Department of Physiology, The University of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

Developing methodologies to enhance skeletal muscle regeneration and hasten the restoration of muscle function has important implications for minimizing disability after injury and for treating muscle diseases such as Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Although delivery of various growth factors, such as insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I), have proved successful in promoting skeletal muscle regeneration after injury, no study has compared the efficacy of different delivery methods directly. We compared the efficacy of systemic delivery of recombinant IGF-I protein via mini-osmotic pump ( approximately 1.5 mg/kg/day) with a single electrotransfer-assisted plasmid-based gene transfer, to hasten functional repair of mouse tibialis anterior muscles after myotoxic injury. The relative efficacy of each method was assessed at 7, 21 and 28 days post-injury. Our findings indicate that IGF-I hastened functional recovery, regardless of the route of IGF-I administration. However, gene transfer of IGF-I was superior to systemic protein administration because in the regenerating muscle, this delivery method increased IGF-I levels, activated intracellular signals (Akt phosphorylation), induced a greater magnitude of myofiber hypertrophy and hastened functional recovery at an earlier time point (14 days) after injury than did protein administration (21 days). Thus, the relative efficacy of different modes of delivery is an important consideration when assessing the therapeutic potential of various proteins for treating muscle injuries and skeletal muscle diseases.Gene Therapy advance online publication, 27 July 2006; doi:10.1038/sj.gt.3302817.

Systemic administration of IGF-I enhances oxidative status and reduces contraction-induced injury in skeletal muscles of mdx dystrophic mice.

* Schertzer JD,
* Ryall JG,
* Lynch GS.

Dept. of Physiology, The Univ. of Melbourne, Victoria 3010, Australia. [email protected]).

The absence of dystrophin and resultant disruption of the dystrophin glycoprotein complex renders skeletal muscles of dystrophic patients and dystrophic mdx mice susceptible to contraction-induced injury. Strategies to reduce contraction-induced injury are of critical importance, because this mode of damage contributes to the etiology of myofiber breakdown in the dystrophic pathology. Transgenic overexpression of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) causes myofiber hypertrophy, increases force production, and can improve the dystrophic pathology in mdx mice. In contrast, the predominant effect of continuous exogenous administration of IGF-I to mdx mice at a low dose (1.0-1.5 mg.kg(-1).day(-1)) is a shift in muscle phenotype from fast glycolytic toward a more oxidative, fatigue-resistant, slow muscle without alterations in myofiber cross-sectional area, muscle mass, or maximum force-producing capacity. We found that exogenous administration of IGF-I to mdx mice increased myofiber succinate dehydrogenase activity, shifted the overall myosin heavy chain isoform composition toward a slower phenotype, and, most importantly, reduced contraction-induced damage in tibialis anterior muscles. The deficit in force-producing capacity after two damaging lengthening contractions was reduced significantly in tibialis anterior muscles of IGF-I-treated (53 +/- 4%) compared with untreated mdx mice (70 +/- 5%, P < 0.05). The results provide further evidence that IGF-I administration can enhance the functional properties of dystrophic skeletal muscle and, compared with results in transgenic mice or virus-mediated overexpression, highlight the disparities in different models of endocrine factor delivery.
 
TheGame46 said:
Wow no one lol....

Thank you for furthering my knowledge and taking the time to post that, but i have to say, alot of that goes over my head since its bein awhile since i took biochemistry.
 
Peptides seem to be having a negative effect on a lot of boards. No offense Game46 you seem reasonable, but the peptides are being pushed too hard especially on some other boards.
 
I'll tell you what.....

I'll take 600mg of test a week over 1k worth of Peptides anyday.

You try and let me know which one gets you where you want to go quicker.
 
TheGame46 said:
I'm not selling anything... just putting the informatino out there so people can make educated decisions

I found the information very interesting. Especially since I am seriously considering incorporating it into my next PCT and not sure I want to go the very pricey route of oratropin.

Thnks bro, appreciate the knowledge. :goodpost: :box:
 
Giantz11 said:
I'll tell you what.....

I'll take 600mg of test a week over 1k worth of Peptides anyday.

You try and let me know which one gets you where you want to go quicker.

Is it me or did this just sound totally meat headed?
 
Yes it does, everyone is out for instant gratification.
With the new laws that are gonna crack down on AAS, chems and supps real hard...
A lot of these people are gonna be clueless b/c bodybuilding will bre restored to its original style and the drugs of choice will be training and nutrition, which are now prob the too most overlooked aspects on some of these boards.
 
Last time I checked, Testosterone, EQ, Deca, Tren, Winstrol, Anavar and others have been illegal for quite a very long time. That was then and still is now the style and drugs of choice. Accept of course all the kiddies who have been exploited by the OTC frenzy of the new millenium.
 
hey game thanks for the info,your post are as always very informative. just think about it, if the peptides could be show results with in the 1 wk to 10 days that most bb'ers, athletes and minors crave our gov will ban this stuff quicker than you can say shinola. i like the slow and steady results that peptides offer, i feel that the out comes have better control.
 
peptides work, but they are pushed so hard and talked up so much that people are misinformed about the actual results one could expect from igf-1.

ive read a million times "igf-1 is the most anabolic substance in the body along with androgens and insulin". This may be the case, but with the doses scientists use on these lab animals im surprised they dont gain weight just from the injections.

6lbs is the most you can see from igf-1, and even that is a little unrealistic. It is anabolic enough that people not willing to go the route of injectable steroids will have it as a semi-legal option, and those of us that do use steroids can appreciate its anabolic properties during PCT.

people also leave out that after you are done using the peptide, you have more nuclei in your muscles, in other words you have laid the groundwork for developing immature muscle fibers. IGF-1 is the gift that keeps on giving, even after discontinuation, and if used in conjunction with gear expect outstanding results.

it is also a cheaper and more obtainable alternative to GH, which takes months to show results as opposed to the week or so igf-1 takes. GH costs 5 times as much and provides only a few more positive effects than igf-1.

People should not talk it up as much as they have been, but by no means should be dumbing it down.
 
Agree with jomi on this one. Extremely high expectations from IGF-1 can lead to bashing of peptides. It yields results and is nice between cycles and won't cost you as much as GH and won't shut you down.
 
TheGame46


How have you found the new batch of Oratropin-1? I've been hearing that people aren't feeling the new batch at all, and these are newbies to igf-1, some are experienced though and aren't feeling a thing.
 
I'm not trying to bash Oratropin, i tried to pm you Game but you've chosen not to recieve pm's.
 
CHAPS said:
TheGame46


How have you found the new batch of Oratropin-1? I've been hearing that people aren't feeling the new batch at all, and these are newbies to igf-1, some are experienced though and aren't feeling a thing.

I'm dropping the Oratrophin this week because I have always had trouble Oratrophin and Superdrol about going hypo. 10 mgs of superdrol is about all I'm willing to do with Oratrophin. I'm doing half dosing (40 mcg) and I was fighting hypo earlier this week. I take Oratrophin for my joints and tendons, not necessarily for muscle gain. I should note I was on PGH-T and Gaspari thyroid tabs too which may have some effect.

I think the new stuff is fine, but it is always hard to tell with IGF-1 especially with Oratrophin since it is time release so hypo effects are less.
 
Ya i'm really interested in your results.



Also Werewolf you probably feel lethargic by stacking igf-1 with Superdrol.
 
CHAPS said:
Ya i'm really interested in your results.



Also Werewolf you probably feel lethargic by stacking igf-1 with Superdrol.

I don't know if you mean anything by that comment, but just to be clear I'm borderline hypoglycemic. I have been my entire life. This translates into never skipping meals on a 3 meal schedule, but I actually eat on a 5 or 6 meal schedule since it is better for me.
 
Don't know if i mean anything? I'm not knocking you, i thought you were hypo from the IGF-1 that's all.
 
Giantz11 said:
I'll tell you what.....

I'll take 600mg of test a week over 1k worth of Peptides anyday.

You try and let me know which one gets you where you want to go quicker.


I'd actually take the 1k of LR3 IGF. These things should all be used in perfect harmony, not one over the other. Bruce say's i'ts like peas and carrotts my friend:bruce1:
 
drei said:
Is it me or did this just sound totally meat headed?


No not meat headed at all.

Again do both and tell me which compound gets you to where you want to go.

And 1/8 the cost on top of it all.
 
Giantz11 said:
No not meat headed at all.

Again do both and tell me which compound gets you to where you want to go.

And 1/8 the cost on top of it all.
Take both together not one or the other. If your not getting awsome results with igf lr3 then either it's not real or your not doing something right. igf @50mcg eod is working wonders for me.
 
There's alot of IGF bashing, but it seems that many people forget that most of us have no access to Test or other steroids. So, when considering IGF to creatine, IGF doesn't look too bad.
 
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