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How come everything I read on boards, and what people in real life say is different?

LIFTER23 said:
Well, you are about where I would eventually like to be. Im 5'8", when I started cutting I was at about 195 @ 14%...would like to be 190ish 8%....few more years I guess.
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i don't know for sure if i had to guess .. REALISTICALLY 10% .. people ALWAYS under estimate their bf % .. if they actually got it tested they would be SHOCKED ... my current pics 10 weeks out from my competition are in the pics section

assuming you ACTUALLY are 14% at 195 that means you have approximately 168lbs of lean mass and you want to get to 190 at 8%, which would be approximately 175lbs of lean mass

so you need to add 7 pounds of muscle in addition to losing 12 pounds of fat .. obviously you can't do this at the same time .. my suggestion would be to cut first and get down to 183 while keeping most of the muscle you have (if you train properly, with a good diet, and do a proper cutting cycle WITH test in there) then you can probably do that while only losing 3 pounds of muscle ... once you're down there and you remain there for a bit .. letting your body get accustomed to it .. then work on putting on the (now) 10 pounds of LEAN mass and you'll have met your goal :) IMO this is VERY doable in 1 year
 
glenihan said:
i don't know for sure if i had to guess .. REALISTICALLY 10% .. people ALWAYS under estimate their bf % .. if they actually got it tested they would be SHOCKED ... my current pics 10 weeks out from my competition are in the pics section

assuming you ACTUALLY are 14% at 195 that means you have approximately 168lbs of lean mass and you want to get to 190 at 8%, which would be approximately 175lbs of lean mass

so you need to add 7 pounds of muscle in addition to losing 12 pounds of fat .. obviously you can't do this at the same time .. my suggestion would be to cut first and get down to 183 while keeping most of the muscle you have (if you tráin properly, with a good diet, and do a proper cutting cycle WITH test in there) then you can probably do that while only losing 3 pounds of muscle ... once you're down there and you remain there for a bit .. letting your body get accustomed to it .. then work on putting on the (now) 10 pounds of LEAN mass and you'll have met your goal :) IMO this is VERY doable in 1 year
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Yeah I'm pretty jealous of that Glenihan character... 8% would be nice, I'm like twice that, and I wish my chest was 46", I'm sitting at a whopping 38.5" right now LOL
 
don't be jealous man i started off pretty fucking skinny (5'8 145) just lift and eat and sleep and eat and lift and sleep and lift and eat and eat and sleep and so on :) you'll definitely get there

not to nitpick but i'm 6-7% right now not 8 ;) lol (man i'm an ass haha)
 
you are DEFINATELY an ass... what about us fat guys who see 8% as... well... kinda like being able to win the lottery... it aint gonn happen!!!!!! :sad:

EDIT: oh wait.. it's 6-7%.... :frustrate
 
HaHa sometimes that's how I feel and I used to be 7-8%! I know it sounds funny but I can't wait for PCT lol... Based on some of the things I've heard about RebXT + LeanXtreme... WoW!
 
actually RXT and LX has been great to me as well. pretty good PCT... of course, my cycle was Ergomax, so that may have something to with the great PCT. regardless, LX is a pretty damn good product, if nothing else, it makes me sleep SOOOO good.
 
not_big_enuf said:
actually RXT and LX has been great to me as well. pretty good PCT... of course, my cycle was Ergomax, so that may have something to with the great PCT. regardless, LX is a pretty damn good product, if nothing else, it makes me sleep SOOOO good.
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Awesome... More great news... I'm lovin' it
 
glenihan said:
i don't know for sure if i had to guess .. REALISTICALLY 10% .. people ALWAYS under estimate their bf % .. if they actually got it tested they would be SHOCKED ... my current pics 10 weeks out from my competition are in the pics section

assuming you ACTUALLY are 14% at 195 that means you have approximately 168lbs of lean mass and you want to get to 190 at 8%, which would be approximately 175lbs of lean mass

so you need to add 7 pounds of muscle in addition to losing 12 pounds of fat .. obviously you can't do this at the same time .. my suggestion would be to cut first and get down to 183 while keeping most of the muscle you have (if you train properly, with a good diet, and do a proper cutting cycle WITH test in there) then you can probably do that while only losing 3 pounds of muscle ... once you're down there and you remain there for a bit .. letting your body get accustomed to it .. then work on putting on the (now) 10 pounds of LEAN mass and you'll have met your goal :) IMO this is VERY doable in 1 year
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Simply giving my opinion. That can be done naturally. No need for super supps. I would bulk up first, then lean out with carb cutoffs and cardio. PM if you would like a link to where you can learn to do this.
 
tarmon8r said:
Simply giving my opinion. That can be done naturally. No need for super supps. I would bulk up first, then lean out with carb cutoffs and cardio. PM if you would like a link to where you can learn to do this.
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oh it ABSOLUTELY can be done naturally i agree 100%, but he started this thread about AAS usuage so i just threw that in ... without AAS it will just take a little longer as he'll lose more muscle while cutting and it'll take a bit longer to put on the lean mass .. .but we aren't talking huge numbers here so the difference would be fairly negligible
 
glenihan said:
oh it ABSOLUTELY can be done naturally i agree 100%, but he started this thread about AAS usuage so i just threw that in ... without AAS it will just take a little longer as he'll lose more muscle while cutting and it'll take a bit longer to put on the lean mass .. .but we aren't talking huge numbers here so the difference would be fairly negligible
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I agree that you can get there with just diet and training, but I do think you can get to your goal faster and farther with super supps. For example there is a guy who posts once in a great while (seems only when he wants some info on something) But he made an incrediable change in a very short time. Here's his progress picks:
 

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Those pics are AMAZING. In the next 2-3 months I hope to have that type of transformation myself. Anybody have a link to this guy's training/diet/supplement history during this time. I bet one huge ingredient is dedication.


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My point of view...

LIFTER23 said:
ALmost everything I read on this board and others, goes against what people in real life say. Conversations usually go:

"Deca dick what?"

"Winny only worked great for me and my buddies, no side effects"

"No, you dont want to do Test only , you will get bad sides and bloat"

"Yeah, Fina is great, I did it as a first cycle and got really clean gains, and alot of people I know use it as well"


"500mg a week of Test!!!?!?!?! Are you crazy, do 250mg a week as a first cycle and you will gain 20lbs"



The only thing I would say though, is that the majority have never heard of Nolva, clomid etc., which I think is stupid.
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As much as I have read from the various boards (and other references) and from other experienced people that cross my path, the one thing I can note as a definite is that everyone's experiences are different. Their references and goals are different. You cannot expect to find information that is relevant only to you unless you know and understand enough about those you reference as having relevance to your specific circumstance.
Decide for yourself what your goals are. Characterize your specific situation and circumstances. Then, search for information that is relative to your needs. Ask questions that are specific to your goals. And, do not be satisfied with broad generalizations unless that is all you can get, but even then weigh it carefully your goals and needs.
As you gain experience, you too will have an opinion...and that will be specific to you and different from just about everyone else...
 
Matthew D said:
Those are BullFX's are they LCS?
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Sure are MattD. I think he ran Test Prop, Tren Ace and IGF-1.

And I am sure Bullfx knew what he was doing. And anyone will tell you that all the drugs in the world will not make up for a shitty diet and WO.
I rember when Markus Ruhel hit the scene and people where freaking out about him. One writer wrote that you will see more and more people just burst on to the BBing scene because drugs can give you the muscles maturity it takes years to build. Now I don't think he was totally right or totally wrong. I think that if you have the desire, diet and training down, then do some supper supps, you can transform you body. And with all these weird proteins coming on the market rec bbers are going to try them out and if they work like they do on paper, then watch out!
 
LCSULLA said:
with all these weird proteins coming on the market rec bbers are going to try them out and if they work like they do on paper, then watch out!
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what proteins are you referring to? or are you talking about peptides like IL15?
 
glenihan said:
don't be jealous man i started off pretty fucking skinny (5'8 145) just lift and eat and sleep and eat and lift and sleep and lift and eat and eat and sleep and so on :) you'll definitely get there

not to nitpick but i'm 6-7% right now not 8 ;) lol (man i'm an ass haha)
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5'8 at 145 skinny? not hardly lol
try 6'1 at 120 :lol:
 
glenihan said:
no .. AAS should be used to break past genetic barriers
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Id venture to say that at least 99.999999% of people that use roids didnt reach their genetic potential before they started. Are you telling me, that at 5'8" 188, you couldnt have reached that naturally?
 
well first of all i'm 5'8 188 at 6 percent body fat ... could i have gotten to 5'8 215 naturally given my genetics? nope .. no matter how much i ate and ate i couldn't get past 195 naturally ... could i get to 188 at 6 percent? nope i would have lost more muscle while cutting and i'd weigh a good amount less to be 6 percent
 
glenihan said:
well first of all i'm 5'8 188 at 6 percent body fat ... could i have gotten to 5'8 215 naturally given my genetics? nope .. no matter how much i ate and ate i couldn't get past 195 naturally ... could i get to 188 at 6 percent? nope i would have lost more muscle while cutting and i'd weigh a good amount less to be 6 percent
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Well, then Im at my genetic potential then too, the highest I could get to was 196, and I could not surpass that for months. Thats why I decieded to cut, and then start off at a lower bf% this time and stay relatively lean. Im "happy" with my size, I already get accused of being on roids, people already say I shouldnt get any bigger, Im definitly noticed when I walk in a bar, but I still want more than that. So, thats why I will try winny out. Ill get to my goal faster, then I can bulk back up, probablyy naturally again. Who knows.

And I didnt mean it as a cut down, I already said your physique would be something I strived for, but again, I highly doubt that the majority of people out there only use roids as a last resort.
 
NOBODY waits until they hit their genetic potential to start. Not unless they wait until they are 50 or 60 to start.lol If you not growing and you add 500 calories every week you will grow. I doubt many have pushed the limits to find the optimal amount of calories to grow. I have went as high as 10,000 just to see what happend and it was to much for me even though I have a high metabolism. I find it interesting my body responds diffrent at diffrent times. Sometimes I can grow on 4,000 for awhile and it will stop. I'll raise it to 6,000 and I start growing again. The strange part is I can go back to 4,000 and still grow later on. As for the winny only cycle it might work for what you want. I know I don't get **** from winstrol but I do know a guy that gets great results from it.
 
The idea of natural potential is very odd. Who really knows what an individual's natural potential truly is?

However, stressing natural potential does serve multiple purposes. One is it a good deterrent for younger bodybuilders from using AAS. The body is continually growing and changing especially in the teen years. I, like many, feel that it is best not to introduce exogenous hormones to the body while it is making these changse. In my opinion, it is wise to allow the body to reach a stage of "homeostasis" before switching to chemical aids. The body tends not to even reach this level of hormonal balance until roughly 25. Consequently premature usage is just unwise. However, I truly do not see a huge problem with a fully developed hormally and physically body using AAS before reaching full natural potential b/c as I stated who really knows that point.
I also believe that striving for full natural potential is important again as a deterrent from guys who simply want a quick fix. Leaping from 160lbs to 230lbs may make an individual pleased for a period but when that weight begins to fall off b/c the individual never had a full understanding/grasp on training, nutrition, etc and the idea of what his natural potential may have been, then what is the next step? Probably a perpetual situation of weight gain from AAS use and weight loss afterwards. Not a pleasant thought.
Most importantly is striving to achieve the idea full natural potential before using AAS as to avoid a fall in the future. I believe that many may use AAS as a crutch once they have experienced the changes that AAS can bring forth. This crutch is the idea that they need AAS to make gains. If the individual would have waited, one could have seen the changes that can come w/o AAS but rather thru proper training, nutrition, etc.
 
size said:
Most importantly is striving to achieve the idea full natural potential before using AAS as to avoid a fall in the future. I believe that many may use AAS as a crutch once they have experienced the changes that AAS can bring forth. This crutch is the idea that they need AAS to make gains. If the individual would have waited, one could have seen the changes that can come w/o AAS but rather thru proper training, nutrition, etc.
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:goodpost: This is what I believe is going on now in this thread. Blaming poor genetics when education is what is truly lacking.
 
tarmon8r said:
:goodpost: This is what I believe is going on now in this thread. Blaming poor genetics when education is what is truly lacking.
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Are you trying to infer something towards me?
 
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