Higher ArA dosage, or ArA stack?

From what I can tell from reading information Neuron has posted:

arachidonic acid --> triglyceride --> chylomicron --> interaction with enzyme Lipoprotein Lipase (LPL) --> "only isoform of LPL that is active with insulin is located on adipocytes".
 
From what I can tell from reading information Neuron has posted:

arachidonic acid --> triglyceride --> chylomicron --> interaction with enzyme Lipoprotein Lipase (LPL) --> "only isoform of LPL that is active with insulin is located on adipocytes".

Did he say that last statement? Both forms are active but the adipose form predominates with insulin
 
Here's the entire first post from Neuron on the aforementioned thread:

"I made a cursory glance into the X-Factor thread and I didn't see any suggestion on when to take X-Factor, or other Arachidonic acid products, so here is my suggestion.

Background
After ingestion, fatty acids like arachidonic acid are emulsifed and taken up into enterocytes where they are esterfied on a glycerol backbone to form a triglyceride. Next, the triglycerides and cholesterol esters are bound together to form a chylomicron. This entity can now diffuse into the lymphatics and then into the blood. Once in the blood, the chylomicrons are free to interact with various tissue receptors depending on energy homeostasis. When needed, they can interact with an enzyme called Lipoprotein Lipase (LPL) that will hydrolyze the triglycerides back into fatty acids to be used as fuel or for storage purposes.

The point being...
In which tissue the fatty acids are deposited is a function of the energetic state of the organism overall. In a post-prandial, high fed, state, the dominant hormone is insulin. Similarly, the only isoform of LPL that is active with insulin is located on adipocytes. It should be obvious now that consuming fats when eating will direct them to adipose. This isn't necessarily a bad thing in the context of fish oil, as adipose is now recognized as a great contributer to endogenous hormone production like the prostanoids.

But...
In the context of Arachidonic Acid, the final destination should be skeletal muscle. Luckily, there is an energetic state which favors fatty acid delievery to this tissue: Exercise (or acute starvation) [1]. In an exercise-induced environment, LPL on skeletal muscle becomes active which serves as an adjunct to glycolysis for the TCA cycle via beta-oxidation. Similarly, the enzyme DGAT also becomes active in skeletal muscle which functions to store excess fatty acids as triglycerides. Since both of these enzymes are heavily active during exercise, it is clear that an excess of fatty acids are being removed from blood plasma into skeletal muscle as a reservoir (this also serves to decrease insulin insensitivity [2]).

Based on these observations
To maximize ArA supplemention it is advisable to supplement 30-40 minutes prior to exercise in order to ensure plasma delievery of ArA and also to reduce exercises effects on gastric motility."

[1] Invalid Link Removed
[2] Invalid Link Removed
 
Happy to hear that the stack I'm starting in a couple of weeks should be pretty kick ass.

ArA + ABE + GMS + LCLT. (maybe Amino IV, too)
 
Happy to hear that the stack I'm starting in a couple of weeks should be pretty kick ass.

ArA + ABE + GMS + LCLT. (maybe Amino IV, too)

I'm doing the same stack, starting in mid Feb
 
What are the conclusion on the carbs with ARA?

I take 25g Glycofuse with my ARA + PWO + LCLT + GMS + AminoIV pre-workout and 25g Glycofuse + AminoIV intra-workout.
 
What are the conclusion on the carbs with ARA?

I take 25g Glycofuse with my ARA + PWO + LCLT + GMS + AminoIV pre-workout and 25g Glycofuse + AminoIV intra-workout.

Drop the carbs if possible and dose Ara completely fasted
 
Im running ArA with Glycergrow & hemoval and ABE, except ive been dosing ABE with my biggest meals... gotta start dosing PWO I suppose
 
What are the conclusion on the carbs with ARA?

I take 25g Glycofuse with my ARA + PWO + LCLT + GMS + AminoIV pre-workout and 25g Glycofuse + AminoIV intra-workout.

As Jiigzz stated, I would drop the Glycofuse pre-workout and dose your ArA fasted.
 
What are the conclusion on the carbs with ARA?

I take 25g Glycofuse with my ARA + PWO + LCLT + GMS + AminoIV pre-workout and 25g Glycofuse + AminoIV intra-workout.

save the carbs for postWO or eat slightly more carbs with other meals if worried about losing those carbs/calories in order to maximize your ArA

Darren and NP are too awesome, still selling X-Factor and XFA for right around $30!

Invalid Link Removed
 
save the carbs for postWO or eat slightly more carbs with other meals if worried about losing those carbs/calories in order to maximize your ArA

Darren and NP are too awesome, still selling X-Factor and XFA for right around $30!

Invalid Link Removed

Or use FORSKOLIN with ara

Start training. Wait till set 4-8 and then start your carbs
 
Is there a time frame after taking ARA where carbs shouldn't be consumed? 2-3 hours or less?

Well start training this way phospholipase a2 does its job and ara get to those muscle cells. After that I don't see a reason to avoid carbs IMO

Use the FORSKOLIN to prevent any ara dependant adipocyte differentiation (when insulin is present).
 
Is there a time frame after taking ARA where carbs shouldn't be consumed? 2-3 hours or less?

I still keep my intra workout carbs in place
 
Well start training this way phospholipase a2 does its job and ara get to those muscle cells. After that I don't see a reason to avoid carbs IMO

Use the FORSKOLIN to prevent any ara dependant adipocyte differentiation (when insulin is present).

Carbs are avoided to keep a higher relative activity of LPL in muscle vs fat (nothing to do with PLA2).

But for the last time (and I mean the last time, not to you EBF, but to people asking the Qs as I've probably said this 25+ times now in the past month), if you are exercising, carbs/amino acids consumed with ArA won't matter. So take them all preworkout if you want and get to it
 
Carbs are avoided to keep a higher relative activity of LPL in muscle vs fat (nothing to do with PLA2).

But for the last time (and I mean the last time, not to you EBF, but to people asking the Qs as I've probably said this 25+ times now in the past month), if you are exercising, carbs/amino acids consumed with ArA won't matter. So take them all preworkout if you want and get to it

You don't think the pla2 will make sure the uptake of ara goes to muscle instead of adipose?
 
Carbs are avoided to keep a higher relative activity of LPL in muscle vs fat (nothing to do with PLA2).

But for the last time (and I mean the last time, not to you EBF, but to people asking the Qs as I've probably said this 25+ times now in the past month), if you are exercising, carbs/amino acids consumed with ArA won't matter. So take them all preworkout if you want and get to it

Great info.

Would be cool to see a supp with forskolin and Arachidonic Acid in it!
 
I agree, this issue is loss of flexibility. If you want 6 or 8 caps of ArA preworkout, you now have to **** yourself, literally

Yeah, imagine the issues one would face if a product had something like 250 mg of ARA and 25 mg of forskolin per cap, it'd be terrible.
 
I think 5mg would be the dose you needed

But questions Synapsin and mr.cooper69

If something were to enhance cox2 expression theoretically would you need less ara?

Then you would need 5g of ArA to get 100mg forskolin lol. I think if anything 100mg ArA/5mg forskolin. (1g ArA = 50mg fors, 1.5g ArA = 75mg fors, 2g ArA = 100mg fors). Again, as others said I believe ArA is far better off being a standalone than trying to add in other ingr. because of the wide range of doses people use.

Also interested in your Q, bump
 
Then you would need 5g of ArA to get 100mg forskolin lol. I think if anything 100mg ArA/5mg forskolin. (1g ArA = 50mg fors, 1.5g ArA = 75mg fors, 2g ArA = 100mg fors). Again, as others said I believe ArA is far better off being a standalone than trying to add in other ingr. because of the wide range of doses people use.

Also interested in your Q, bump

No you wouldn't

1 cap ara = 250mg.

1.5g ara = 6 caps.

5mg/cap is 30mg
 
Then you would need 5g of ArA to get 100mg forskolin lol. I think if anything 100mg ArA/5mg forskolin. (1g ArA = 50mg fors, 1.5g ArA = 75mg fors, 2g ArA = 100mg fors). Again, as others said I believe ArA is far better off being a standalone than trying to add in other ingr. because of the wide range of doses people use.

Also interested in your Q, bump

Toleration if forskolin differs. You want lowest appreciable dose then you can add to it
 
I think 5mg would be the dose you needed

But questions Synapsin and mr.cooper69

If something were to enhance cox2 expression theoretically would you need less ara?

That's what I was thinking, 5-10mg per cap could be pretty ideal.

With it having such mixed feedback on GI issues, you have a very good point about it probably being better kept separate/added to an existing ArA product though.

Really excited to see what your idea is, and Im hoping it comes to fruition!!
 
OK, so hypothetical: could one attack X Factor, ALCAR, GMS, and Tropinol for max absorption and gains? Just trying to make sure I've understood everything to this point.
 
OK, so hypothetical: could one attack X Factor, ALCAR, GMS, and Tropinol for max absorption and gains? Just trying to make sure I've understood everything to this point.

Yes, absolutely. That would make for a potent stack!
 
Im excited to hear your feedback!!

So one more for you: I currently have the stack previously mentioned ready to go. A friend of mine is heading overseas for his job for a year and has 2 bottles of MAN PR-XT he wants to sell to me for cheap. Would that be stackable with everything else or would that be overkill?
 
Few months ago I ran x-gels for 50 days. I started at 1g a day and went up to 1.5g. Do y'all think it would be more beneficial, from a recomp standpoint, to up the dosage to 2g a day or stack it with gms and alcar?
did it work for you? how good did it work on a scale of 1 to 10
 
I can't really be fasted for more than an hour and a half before my lift because I have a pretty tight schedule, would it still be okay to take ArA if I take forskolin with it?
 
I can't really be fasted for more than an hour and a half before my lift because I have a pretty tight schedule, would it still be okay to take ArA if I take forskolin with it?

Yep! Sometimes, I do this....take forskolin before my workouts...only if I remember though..LOL!!!
 
Back
Top