HICA supps without bcaa?
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Kronic
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I'm not sure how hica tastes but maybe a pwo size thing of powder. Would use it in my pwo
sns8778
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I had thought about either a capsule or powder, but products usually sell better in capsules.
If it sold well enough, we could look at doing a powder also.
If we did a powder, due to the high cost of HICA, it would likely be a 100 gram size or something similar.
thebigt
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seems it is decent at reducing doms.
Kronic
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Someone around here said epi needs hica. I'm doing lots of epichaos with lots of hica, basically cheat codes irl
sns8778
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When you say epi, do you mean Epicatechin? (making sure you didn't mean Epiandrosterone).
I don't think that Epicatechin 'needs' HICA for any reason, but they are both great ingredients so they should make a good stack.
Kronic
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I'm bad with words, that's just what I read. I had success with follidrone before using hica. I think I'd agree to an extent though because all the epi(c) stuff makes me wanna lift yuge volume even if i should take a day off
sns8778
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No problem at all. I think HICA makes sense with most things bc it helps in recovery. So anytime using things that help increase strength and endurance to train harder, improved recovery is important.
RIPDanDuchaine
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I remember taking this in a supplement years ago that had Leucine, HMB, and alpha-hydroxyisocaproic acid (and this stuff tasted god awful 
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But, I didn't remember the name of what it was, but I was shocked at how well it seems to work.
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But you need 1.5g/day to see those kind of results. House of Muscle HICA only contains 500mg in a 60 serving bottle for $30 on Amazon.
I looked to see if this stuff was patented, and I'm honestly not sure. Patents can be hard to read. But, I did go out and search for this supplement for you
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That was the only other product I can find. That leads me to believe it's probably patented, and so the mfg is having to pay for the rights to use it.
However, another study found that found no effects.
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If price is an option, why not try HMB instead? You need about 3g/day for it to be effective in it's base form, but you can buy mTOR, which is HMB free acid. It's sold by MuscleTech as Clear Muscle and I ran a free trial of it sponsored by them and lot quite a bit of fat and made some solid strength gains. But, it is also a leucine based product.
But, my question is, is any of this beneficial above the leucine you're already getting from your diet and protein supplement? Whey is rich in BCAAs.
)But, I didn't remember the name of what it was, but I was shocked at how well it seems to work.
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But you need 1.5g/day to see those kind of results. House of Muscle HICA only contains 500mg in a 60 serving bottle for $30 on Amazon.
I looked to see if this stuff was patented, and I'm honestly not sure. Patents can be hard to read. But, I did go out and search for this supplement for you
Invalid Link Removed $75 for 30 servings
That was the only other product I can find. That leads me to believe it's probably patented, and so the mfg is having to pay for the rights to use it.
However, another study found that found no effects.
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If price is an option, why not try HMB instead? You need about 3g/day for it to be effective in it's base form, but you can buy mTOR, which is HMB free acid. It's sold by MuscleTech as Clear Muscle and I ran a free trial of it sponsored by them and lot quite a bit of fat and made some solid strength gains. But, it is also a leucine based product.
But, my question is, is any of this beneficial above the leucine you're already getting from your diet and protein supplement? Whey is rich in BCAAs.
Irishobrien
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Both HICA and HMB reliably reduce DOMS for me despite the research being inconsistent. Actually BAIBA also appears to reduce DOMS as well.
sns8778
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I remember taking this in a supplement years ago that had Leucine, HMB, and alpha-hydroxyisocaproic acid (and this stuff tasted god awful
But, I didn't remember the name of what it was, but I was shocked at how well it seems to work.
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But you need 1.5g/day to see those kind of results. House of Muscle HICA only contains 500mg in a 60 serving bottle for $30 on Amazon.
I looked to see if this stuff was patented, and I'm honestly not sure. Patents can be hard to read. But, I did go out and search for this supplement for you
Invalid Link Removed $75 for 30 servings
That was the only other product I can find. That leads me to believe it's probably patented, and so the mfg is having to pay for the rights to use it.
However, another study found that found no effects.
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If price is an option, why not try HMB instead? You need about 3g/day for it to be effective in it's base form, but you can buy mTOR, which is HMB free acid. It's sold by MuscleTech as Clear Muscle and I ran a free trial of it sponsored by them and lot quite a bit of fat and made some solid strength gains. But, it is also a leucine based product.
But, my question is, is any of this beneficial above the leucine you're already getting from your diet and protein supplement? Whey is rich in BCAAs.
You are going to wind up getting banned for posting outside links to sellers that don't sponsor here. I've seen people point this out to you quite a few times already. I'm surprised it hasn't already happened. That link you posted - the first thing it did was try to sign me up for a subscription service.
I remember the product that had Leucine + HMB + HICA. It was a good product but disgusting. I think it was by Pro Supps.
HICA is not patented.
The type of HMB sold by Muscle Tech is just a sales pitch on theirs. They are a large company and sometimes ask to use a specific 'name' of a branded ingredient.
HMB is a clinically researched, licensed, branded ingredient but there are a lot of companies that use generic material due to the cost. As long as the brand you buy uses the real branded material, its the same. (If the price is too cheap, that's a good indicator that you may not be getting legit material).
I'm sorry but your last sentence doesn't make sense. You do not get HICA nor HMB in any beneficial amount thru food or whey protein so if you want the benefits of them, you absolutely would need to supplement them. That would be like saying BCAA's aren't beneficial pre and intra because they are in whey protein.
RIPDanDuchaine
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Well, that's something I don't quite understand regarding the rules of the forum. I'm not posting affiliate links, these are just links I'm trying to find to help people out. People talk about vendors like DPS all the time and other sites, so what's the line?
But I thought it was HMB-Fa? You're saying it's not actually mTOR?
HMB is a very controversial supplement, IMO. Because it's patented by Steve Nissan (sp?), the raws are (as I'm sure you know) very expensive. That's why most HMB supplements only contain 500mg-1g per dosage, when you really need 3 or even higher.
There's also an argument to be made that it's total junk. if you're saying HMB-Fa isn't real or isn't sold, then I would make the case that HMB is an overpriced ingredient that really is not needed and doesn't impart much benefit, unless you're willing to shell out the big bucks.
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I was referring specifically to leucine. Since HICA and HMB are essentially leucine derivatives, I was asking is it really beneficial to add these other super expensive supplements on top of that since you should be getting plenty of good ole plain jane leucine in your diet.
Kronic
Well-known member
I remember taking this in a supplement years ago that had Leucine, HMB, and alpha-hydroxyisocaproic acid (and this stuff tasted god awful
But, I didn't remember the name of what it was, but I was shocked at how well it seems to work.
Invalid Link Removed
But you need 1.5g/day to see those kind of results. House of Muscle HICA only contains 500mg in a 60 serving bottle for $30 on Amazon.
I looked to see if this stuff was patented, and I'm honestly not sure. Patents can be hard to read. But, I did go out and search for this supplement for you
Invalid Link Removed $75 for 30 servings
That was the only other product I can find. That leads me to believe it's probably patented, and so the mfg is having to pay for the rights to use it.
However, another study found that found no effects.
Invalid Link Removed
If price is an option, why not try HMB instead? You need about 3g/day for it to be effective in it's base form, but you can buy mTOR, which is HMB free acid. It's sold by MuscleTech as Clear Muscle and I ran a free trial of it sponsored by them and lot quite a bit of fat and made some solid strength gains. But, it is also a leucine based product.
But, my question is, is any of this beneficial above the leucine you're already getting from your diet and protein supplement? Whey is rich in BCAAs.
I been doing 1.5g hica 3x a day so yes I'm doing triple dose twice to get it right. I'm using this in the morning for a semi fasted workout and then another dose in the evening for more recovery. Boutta buy more hica-c today only a few bottles left
sns8778
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You posted a link to an outside reseller that the very first page tried to sign me up for a subscription service. You see people mention DPS but the only people you generally see post links to DPS are company reps. And then, most of the time it would only be for something that a sponsored retailer like Strong Supplement Shop doesn't stock.
Are you sure you don't mean BetaTor? mTOR is a pathway. And even if so, there is zero evidence that an HMB variant would work any better than HMB.
I'm very familiar with HMB and I'm not going to derail a HICA thread debating you about HMB. If you don't like it, don't use it. You're the one that brought up HMB in a HICA thread; and now you want to debate whether its any good. It would have never gotten mentioned if you didn't bring it up.
To answer your last question, and after this, please take the conversation to pm's if you have further questions because I'm very interested to see where this HICA thread goes because the ones of us posting in this thread want to discuss HICA:
- Yes, just because you get enough leucine in your diet or from food does not mean that a specific type would not benefit you. You even said yourself how well a HICA/HMB/Leucine combination worked for you yourself; now you want to act like it doesn't.
sns8778
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The admin doesn't want people to have to download adblockers and stuff to protect against outside links. I wasn't admonishing you over that; you asked a question and said you didn't understand the rules on it so I was just explaining them and trying to help you out. Bc if admin had clicked that link, he would have probably banned you. I've had pop up ads following me around from that company ever since clicking on it myself.
The OP was asking about HICA, not HMB. I just don't want to derail his thread into an HMB debate thread. You are the one that mentioned HMB in the thread. HMB and HICA can work hand in hand very well imo.
I am a fan of Citrulline Malate, Creatine, and Beta Alanine but they really aren't comparable to HICA (or to HMB). Those ingredients work great for what they do, but HICA is for a different purpose altogether and is a great recovery ingredient.
In the future, if trying to find a different cheaper source of something to help someone, I'd just suggest saying hey, I think brand xyz makes one dosed at blank for around x price. Just a suggestion.
As far as HMB vs. HICA, I think that one may work better for one person and one may work better for another.
As for the amount of leucine you consume thru food - these are different types that are not consumed in meaningful amounts thru food. They do not take the place of protein consumption; and really, the better the protein intake, probably the better these would work. But taking amino acids thru food is not the same as taking specialized ones like this. For example, I notice greatly reduced soreness from intense training with HICA at 1.5 grams per day; yet I didn't notice that before adding it in when my diet was the same. I hope that makes sense.
Thread wise, I'm really curious to see where this goes. I'm a big fan of HICA and would be glad to make one if enough people were interested. To give you an approximate, you'd probably see a 45 day supply at 1.5 grams per day sold between 29.99 and 34.99 as a rough price estimate.
sns8778
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How many mg. per day do you plan on using?
Do you plan on using it daily? Some people only use HICA on workout days; I'm more of a fan of using it daily myself.
Kronic
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Im doing 1.5g 2x a day. I'd probably do it on a day off still. Im doing pretty big volume with home gym though. Lifting twice a day isn't too uncommon for me right now
sns8778
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Understandable. I never ran it at 1.5 grams twice per day but liked it at 1.5 grams per day every day. I tend to always lift heavy (I know some people argue against that, just what works for me).
I think we will likely go ahead with this in capsule form and try to get one out. We have a ton of stuff in production so I'm not sure how quick it would be, but I think we could offer it at by far the best price available.
Kronic
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Ty for the info. I'll buy some when it comes out, thanks !
djbombsquad
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I like hica/calcium hmb
offredjo
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I Love HICA and when Labrada offered their chewables, I would take 2,500 mg per day (5 X 500mg chewable) on an empty stomach spread out upon waking, mid day, and before bed and I would always experience noticeable effects. @sns8778 I would definitely buy a big stash if you came out with a pure alpha-hydroxy-isocaproic acid product in 500 mg capsules.
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sns8778
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I was thinking 750 mg. capsules for convenience. Would you be okay with that?
offredjo
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I would love that! I would make it a staple of mine. I love the effects I got from HICA
sns8778
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Thank you. I have to make sure that 750 mg. can fit per capsule since the raw material is kind of fluffy, but if it can, I was thinking 750 mg. per capsule so it would be more convenient and less caps per day.
JeremyNG25
Active member
Labrada no longer sells the chewable HICA so I definitely would make SNS HICA a staple for me as well
Kronic
Well-known member
good for me