Hi-Tech Pharma: Pro IGF-1 Blood Tests @ 20mcg/day

You guys need a room? Lol
 
Just puked a little.
 
Igf-1 Is something I am going to research and write an article. With prohormones under attack we will have to find cool new alternatives.
 
brundel said:
Hitech is HUGE. Even under the current circumstances, losses, suits etc...they are not going to be dead.
Not even talking about the products. The company isnt gonna be dead by a long shot.
Like 10 years ago they lost 4000000$ thats 40 million in a suit from the FTC. They didnt even bat an eye.
40 mill.
Hitech is a MASSIVE company.
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This $40m is that same 40m still going through the court system 13 years later btw
 
My Doc called me today. Sad News!
He got an email/Message from the lab saying:
"the blood need to be frozen before sending to us". It has not been done that way and I need to take New blood work!!!
 
user567 said:
Igf-1 wont be one of them. There is only 1 company in the world making real igf
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PH market is robust...just not in the U.S. obviously, extremely easy to still get PH's and they are still being made...just another ploy to buy into Hi Tech's "DHEA metabolites" are going to be the only way in the future to get big.

And "this" product...having to super-dose it just to maybe get a slightly elevated blood level, please...who is going to pay hundreds of $$$ to gain 3lbs lol. Think we had our conclusion on this product a long time ago, regardless of Danes bloodwork, which I appreciate as a supp user that he is going out of his way to provide a "real" test for the people.
 
Danes said:
My Doc called me today. Sad News!
He got an email/Message from the lab saying:
"the blood need to be frozen before sending to us". It has not been done that way and I need to take New blood work!!!
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Well that stinks. Especially if you don’t favor needles.
 
Danes said:
My Doc called me today. Sad News!
He got an email/Message from the lab saying:
"the blood need to be frozen before sending to us". It has not been done that way and I need to take New blood work!!!
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Did you already finish running the product?
 
Danes said:
My Doc called me today. Sad News!
He got an email/Message from the lab saying:
"the blood need to be frozen before sending to us". It has not been done that way and I need to take New blood work!!!
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Crazy I’ve never heard of frozen labs only refrigerated. Then again I didn’t ever draw IGF levels lol
 
Danes said:
I really dont know. He clearly said "frozen". I will speak with him later
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Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if the doc doesn’t even know himself. I have drawn hundreds of labs and the MD had no idea how they were drawn or what tubes. They just cared about the order and the results
 
NurseGray said:
Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if the doc doesn’t even know himself. I have drawn hundreds of labs and the MD had no idea how they were drawn or what tubes. They just cared about the order and the results
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Totaly agree
 
The whole "it's the food/force feeding" gets shot down by some other competitors though, too - they cite the pros from the 70's-90's who ate the exact same amounts before this stuff was common and didn't have the "belly look".
 
I listened to a podcast with Jordan Peters and Ben Pakulski and Peters mentioned observing a noticeable decrease in waist size after reducing GH dosage. This leads me to believe it has something to do with insulin resistance?
 
BamBam0319 said:
I listened to a podcast with Jordan Peters and Ben Pakulski and Peters mentioned observing a noticeable decrease in waist size after reducing GH dosage. This leads me to believe it has something to do with insulin resistance?
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It is a combination.plenty of calories+ huge HGH/IGF-1doses etc.
Insulin resistance on HGH will occur. Insulin sensitivity will decrease but thats why there is HGH/Insulin protocol :)
 
NurseGray said:
Crazy I’ve never heard of frozen labs only refrigerated. Then again I didn’t ever draw IGF levels lol
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It depends on where your pathology is, all of our tests are done on site so we don't need to freeze them.

The IGF BP3 lasts less than 24 hours at room temp while freezing it makes it last longer, funnily enough still just collected in a SST tube.
 
scump said:
It depends on where your pathology is, all of our tests are done on site so we don't need to freeze them.

The IGF BP3 lasts less than 24 hours at room temp while freezing it makes it last longer, funnily enough still just collected in a SST tube.
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Pathology is about 800km from my place so it need to be sent.
 
Subbed to see bloods. I'm always very interested in new products like this! and while hitech has done a lot of shady things with product naming/marketing, I've been very happy with everything I've used from them
 
TyMan14 said:
Subbed to see bloods. I'm always very interested in new products like this! and while hitech has done a lot of shady things with product naming/marketing, I've been very happy with everything I've used from them
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My doc called me today and said:

If i want to check my IGF1 levels I need to drive to nearest hospital (which is 147km from my place). The only way to do it if I want it to be sent frozen (which is necessary for IGF1 and IGFBP3).

I am going to do it next week*and same time new tattoo maybe*:D
 
Danes said:
My doc called me today and said:

If i want to check my IGF1 levels I need to drive to nearest hospital (which is 147km from my place). The only way to do it if I want it to be sent frozen (which is necessary for IGF1 and IGFBP3).

I am going to do it next week*and same time new tattoo maybe*:D
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hey big danes whatcha plan on getting?

i just got a new tattoo within the last month actually
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rowz4broz said:
hey big danes whatcha plan on getting?

i just got a new tattoo within the last month actually
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Nice tattoos over there :) !
I was thinking of more chemical structures.
I have Testosterone on one forearm and N-Cinnamoyloctopamine on the other forearm. Both structures are elongated so it fits perfectly.
On one shoulder I do have caffeine. Shoulder is round and the structure is also "round". I also have a long tribal.on chest,arm and my back :)
 
Danes said:
Nice tattoos over there :) !
I was thinking of more chemical structures.
I have Testosterone on one forearm and N-Cinnamoyloctopamine on the other forearm. Both structures are elongated so it fits perfectly.
On one shoulder I do have caffeine. Shoulder is round and the structure is also "round". I also have a long tribal.on chest,arm and my back :)
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Ahhhh truly a "gym bro" haha
 
Danes said:
My doc called me today and said:

If i want to check my IGF1 levels I need to drive to nearest hospital (which is 147km from my place). The only way to do it if I want it to be sent frozen (which is necessary for IGF1 and IGFBP3).

I am going to do it next week*and same time new tattoo maybe*:D
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About a 2 hour drive to get bloodwork..wow..much respect.
 
Danes said:
My doc called me today and said:

If i want to check my IGF1 levels I need to drive to nearest hospital (which is 147km from my place). The only way to do it if I want it to be sent frozen (which is necessary for IGF1 and IGFBP3).

I am going to do it next week*and same time new tattoo maybe*:D
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Certainly not making it easy for you. Tattoo? I thought you didn’t like needles:)
 
MARK_ said:
Certainly not making it easy for you. Tattoo? I thought you didn’t like needles:)
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True but i can wait until next week :)
Believe me or not, I said 7 years.ago I will NEVER take any tattoo. But after almost accident (where a truck almost crashed in our car), it made me think different. Hey I just live once and why not :D
 
Danes said:
True but i can wait until next week :)
Believe me or not, I said 7 years.ago I will NEVER take any tattoo. But after almost accident (where a truck almost crashed in our car), it made me think different. Hey I just live once and why not :D
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I was thinking of getting one to cover a shoulder surgical scar ..then read that tattoo ink can sometimes cause the muscle to atrophy, so now Im not so sure :blink:
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
I was thinking of getting one to cover a shoulder surgical scar ..then read that tattoo ink can sometimes cause the muscle to atrophy, so now Im not so sure :blink:
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I’d do some reading on which places use what types of ink. From shop to shop what is used can be totally different. I’ve never read up on it myself (about the atrophy from ink) but if true it’s likely from only one component in the ink that I’m sure isn’t used by everyone. Based on the number of jacked guys that I know who have their entire arms covered I don’t think it’s made their gains any worse lol.
 
Danes said:
I know colors used in US is not allowed here in Norway :)
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That’s because we are way too liberal in the amount of potential toxins we are willing to be exposed to on a daily basis. There are some inks that can be very bad for the skin and even cause permanent scarring, but that industry isn’t regulated very well in the US as each shop usually has their own custom made products, some with potential heavy metal contamination. Besides in any country that still allows cigarette manufacturers to profit you question any regulation since if anything should be better regulated it’s the number one cause of cancer, ie tobacco products.
 
bigdavid said:
I’d do some reading on which places use what types of ink. From shop to shop what is used can be totally different. I’ve never read up on it myself (about the atrophy from ink) but if true it’s likely from only one component in the ink that I’m sure isn’t used by everyone. Based on the number of jacked guys that I know who have their entire arms covered I don’t think it’s made their gains any worse lol.
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Sound advice, thanks
 
Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I didn't have time to read through 18 pages.

I see Vaughn mentioned that IGF-1 levels peak in 120-150 minutes. This would imply there is a window in which this product keeps IGF-1 levels elevated, with IGF-1 levels varying throughout that window.

So, while a 304 reading is certainly impressive, the important question here is HOW LONG does it keep IGF-1 levels elevated...and to what degree do IGF-1 levels fluctuate during that window? I would very much like know its duration of action, as well as IGF-1 readings at even intervals throughout its window of activity.

This is the ONLY way for us to be able to compare this product to traditional forms of IGF-1, as well as drugs which increase IGF-1.

This is very important information to know. Case in point. Remember when we used to see all those test boosters being released showing an increase in T levels of 300-600%? 600% sounds pretty awesome, right? After all, if someone had even a 500 reading before taking the product, they would be sitting at 3000 ng/dl afterward. That's equivalent to more than 500 mg of injectable testosterone...yet no one experienced results anywhere close to that. Why? Because these products only increased T levels for a very short period of time, ranging from about 45 minutes to a few hours at best. And that 600 reading...well, that only lasted a few minutes and then it started declining.

When a drug like growth hormone increases IGF-1 levels to 300...those levels REMAIN elevated 24/7...every day...but if a product only increases IGF-1 levels for a few hours at a time (or less), any comparison between the two becomes null and void due to their drastically different pharmacokinetic profiles. In this case, the increase in IGF-1 seen with injectable GH would yield FAR superior results.

So, I would be very interested to learn the answers to the questions above. It appears that that Hi-Tech's product increases IGF-1 levels for at least a few hours, based on Jared's estimate that IGF-1 levels peak during the 120-150 minutes window. If you guys could obtain more in-depth information regarding the product's pharmacokinetic profile, we would all know what is going on and could make educated decisions. In my opinion, if this product can elevate IGF-1 levels...and keep them relatively stable for even 12 hours, hell even 8 hours, this would be a very impressive new product. Aside from injectable GH and GH peptides/secretagogues (which keep IGF-1 levels elevated and stable 24/7) there would not be a single OTC GH product anywhere on the market even remotely comparable. It would deserve high praise.
 
Mike Arnold said:
Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I didn't have time to read through 18 pages.

I see Vaughn mentioned that IGF-1 levels peak in 120-150 minutes/ This would imply there is a window in which this product keeps IGF-1 levels elevated, with IGF-1 levels varying throughout that window).

So, while a 304 reading is certainly impressive, the important question here is HOW LONG does it keep IGF-1 levels elevated...and to what degree do IGF-1 levels fluctuate during that window? I would very much like know its duration of action, as well as a graph revealing IGF-1 readings at even intervals throughout its window of activity.

This is the ONLY way for us to be able to compare this product to traditional forms of IGF-1, as well as drugs which increase IGF-1.

This is very important information to know. Case in point. Remember when we used to see all those test boosters being released showing an increase in T levels of 300-600%? 600% sounds pretty awesome, right? After all, if someone had even a 500 reading before taking the product, they would be sitting at 3000 ng/dl afterward. That's equivalent to more than 500 mg of injectable testosterone...yet no one experienced results anywhere close to that. Why? Because these products only increased T levels for a very short period of time, ranging from about 45 minutes to a few hours at best. And that 600 reading...well, that only lasted a few minutes and then it started declining.

When a drug like growth hormone increases IGF-1 levels to 300...those levels REMAIN elevated 24/7...every day...but if a product only increases IGF-1 levels for a few hours at a time (or less), any comparison between the two becomes null and void due to their drastically different pharmacokinetic profiles. In this case, the increase in IGF-1 seen with injectable GH would yield FAR superior results.

So, I would be very interested to learn the answers to the questions above. It seem that Hi-Tech's product increases IGF-1 levels for at least a few hours, based on Jared's estimate that IGF-1 levels peak during the 120-150 minutes window. If you guys could obtain more in-depth information regarding the product's pharmacokinetic profile, we would all know what is going on and could make educated decisions. In my opinion, if this product can elevate IGF-1 levels...and keep them relatively stable for even 12 hours, hell even 8 hours, this would be a very impressive new product. Aside from injectable GH and GH peptides/secretagogues (which keep IGF-1 levels elevated and stable 24/7) there would not be a single OTC GH product anywhere on the market even remotely comparable. It would deserve high praise.
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To make is short and simple, I will take my dose 1 1/2 hours pre bloodwork..
If bloodwork show increased IGF1, then next question is, how long will it stay elevated?
I do want to take it prior Bloodwork to see if it has any effect at all
 
Got to love America, within 20 miles of where I live there are 2 places I can walk in and get bloods drawn and have the results within 2 days
 
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