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gpdriver

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I finished my 3rd cycle of Mdrol about 2 weeks ago. I had taken it a few times before and never had a problem getting my sex drive back. I only took one pill a day, the bottle recommended 2. I'm completely clueless about the things I've read on here. Can I just buy novadex or do I have to know someone that sells it on the black market? Right now I'm only on revolution PCT, it doesn't seem to be doing anything. At this point I just want to know my sex drive will come back and that I don't have any permanent damage.

Even while I was on the Mdrol my sex drive was almost 0. It was decent before it however...

Could someone make this simple for me and tell me what to try and where to buy it? Also I read about having blood work done. Is that expensive? It doesn't seem like insurance would cover it.

I know I should have done a lot more research before getting on anything and I'm an idiot.
 
im going through the same thing, after tearing my hair out for 5 days researching on what to do, i came across Sustain Alpha Liqua Vade. Read some reviews on it. Everyone raves on the libido aspect
 
Thanks, I ordered some of it. I still don't get it though, where do you get a SERM or AI from? Is there anywhere to legally buy them online? Or do you just have to walk up to someone in the gym that looks like they do roids and say, "hey man, can you hook me up with some pills?" I don't get it.
 
Hello!

Well I'm suffering from a serious problem of libido six months after the end of my last cycle.

I'm 28 and last year I did three small cycles.

DECEMBER 2009
I made my first small cycle of four weeks (250mg of sustanon per week). Enough for my testicles decreases, increase my libido and gaining some muscles.
After 3 weeks, I took a box of clomid, 100mg for 3 days and 4 mg for 4 days. It was enough for my testicles return to normal and my libido
remain high.

APRIL / MAY 2010
Excited with the results of the first round, made another of 6 (250mg of sustanon per week) weeks followed by 6 weeks of 30mg oxandronola.
After 21 days, I took a box of clomid, 100mg for 3 days and 4 mg for 4 days. My testicles back and libido also remained normal for a time.

Until around the end of July (two months after the end of the cycle) I felt a decrease in libido. I just do not associate with AEs and associated change of
brand of finasteride.

AUGUST / SEPTEMBER 2010
Even with the libido a bit lower than normal, on 23/08 I started another cycle, this time Enanthate Testosterone and stanozolol 40mg/day orally.

Were 6 weeks, 600mg of enanthate in the first 4 weeks and 300mg in the last two.
This time, I felt a drop in libido already halfway through the cycle which made me suspect that the enanthate was false. But I was gaining strength and my testicles atrophying which indicated it was not.
I finished the cycle and 27.9 after 2 weeks I took three boxes of clomid, taking 12 days and 6 days 50mg 100mg. I took 10mg of tamoxifen together and also 2250mg Tribullus Terrestris per day.

The testicles returned to normal but still no libido. I was desperate. I then decided to stop by Finasteride know that in some cases it really causes a drop. To my surprise after three days my libido was high again.
I was happy, but that only lasted 10 days, then fell again and even then not reestablished.

Exam with a urologist in November 2010:

Testo total: 943.
Normal adult male: between 241 and 827.

Testo free: 187
Normal adult male, between 34 and 246.

Examination with an endocrinologist in March 2011:

Total testosterone:
537.02 ng / dl
(Reference 241 to 827 ng / dl)

Free testosterone:
11.20 ng / dl
(Reference 3.8 to 18.4 ng / dl)

LH:
1.81 mIU / ml
(Reference 1.5 to 9.3 mIU / ml)

FSH:
1.1 mIU / ml
(Reference 1.4 to 18.1 mIU / ml)

TSH:
1:58 mcUI / ml
(0:35 to 5:50 REFERENCES mcUI / ml)

Prolactin:
6.25 ng / dl
(Reference 2.1 to 17.7 ng / ml)

Estradiol:
30.2 pg / ml
(Reference 11.6 to 41.2 pg / ml)

SDHEA:
279.00 mcg / dl
(Reference 80 to 560 mcg / dl)

SHBG:
34.10 nmol / L
(Reference 13 to 71 nmol / L)

As you can see, now my total testosterone is much lower than the examination of novembro/2010 and LH and FSH levels are extremely low.

What do you suggest? Is there a solution? I can not get erections or with only remedies for erectile dysfunction.

I'm desperate and very depressed.

Thank you for your help.

Regards.
 
Did you have low libido even on the cycle? I did. My testicals never shrank. I think M-Drol is sketchy. The first time I took it I had insane results, every time after that I hardly felt it.
 
I just read the beginners guide to PCT and saw the ways to obtain a SERM. Does anyone go to the doctor and get a prescription or is it all done on the black market?
 
I think some doctors recommends it, but just a bit of them.

Next week I´ll go on a urologist and if he doesn´t recommend anything i´ll go on SERMS and pray for it.
 
I think you need to go to a doctor and do some blood exams (Total Testo, Free testo, LH, FSH, SHBG, Estrogen).
 
oh well then you can ignore those numbers, they don't relate to what your nomal levels are. Thats artificially high from the PCT still at that point.
 
Can I conclude that Clomid really worked for me? I remember that time my libido was ok.

Do you suggest for me to do SERMS? I´ve never done a complete SERMS...

Use some Testo Booster too?
 
I'm sort of amazed your testosterone level is that high with LH being low, but thats a good thing overall. Were you on any meds at the time of that blood draw?

Clomid will artificially act as if it were LH to some extent, which might explain why you feel better on it. Your estrogen being a little high may not help either.
 
Yeah, i was amazed too. No, no meds at that time.

My SHBG is a bit high don´t you think?

I´m hopeing to do that to improve my LH and FSH and decrease my estrogen:

Week 1 Clomid 100mg Tamox 40mg ZMA 50mg VitE 1000ui VitC 1000mg
Week 2 Clomid 100mg Tamox 40mg ZMA 50mg VitE 1000ui VitC 1000mg
Week 3 Clomid 50mg Tamox 40mg ZMA 50mg VitE 1000ui VitC 1000mg
Week 4 Clomid 50mg Tamox 40mg ZMA 50mg VitE 1000ui VitC 1000mg
Week 5 Tamox 20mg ZMA 50mg VitE 1000ui VitC 1000mg
Week 6 Tamox 20mg ZMA 50mg VitE 1000ui VitC 1000mg
Week 7 Vitrix
Week 8 Vitrix
Week 9 Vitrix
Week 10 Vitrix
 
you are really just throwing random darts and hoping. I've never seen or heard of a low LH or FSH level without an accompanying low testosterone level causing libido issues. Probably you should send a private message to a user here called The Matrix, and ask him to look at this thread.
 
a general doctor can do it, so long as he has reason to think its necessary. Most insurance covers most of the cost of the blood tests. I've still gotten stuck with $40-50 bills afterwards
 
I called "The Matrix". Next week I´ll go to an urologist too. I hope he can help me.

Gpdriver, I dont know, Im from Brazil...
 
Next week I will also do a testicular ultrasound, because one of my testicles is still very small. The other is normal.
 
gpdriver said:
I just read the beginners guide to PCT and saw the ways to obtain a SERM. Does anyone go to the doctor and get a prescription or is it all done on the black market?
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You can get Nolvadex online, I got some shipped to me. PM me if you need the site
 
cavaloman said:
i remember that i took viagra 12 hours before the exam, can it impact the results of T?
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no, it shouldn't particularly. I'd imagine that poor sleep the night before would have a greater effect than a viagra. Keep in mind that the 537 number is a pretty normal testosterone level.
 
But I feel like I´m with 100. Lost a lot of mass, depressed, no libido, no morning wood and can´t have erection. It´s very weird this incompatibility of LH/FSH and testosterone levels. On testicle is very small too.

I think clomid/Vit E could help improve my LH/FSH (like the first exam) and Novaldex and ZMA could help me reduce my estrogen.

I really need help.
 
cavaloman said:
But I feel like I´m with 100. Lost a lot of mass, depressed, no libido, no morning wood and can´t have erection. It´s very weird this incompatibility of LH/FSH and testosterone levels. On testicle is very small too.

I think clomid/Vit E could help improve my LH/FSH (like the first exam) and Novaldex and ZMA could help me reduce my estrogen.

I really need help.
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But there are potentially thousands of other things that could make you feel that way. Your hormone levels are all pretty normal, many people would be happy to have those levels. But continuing to try and self diagnose and play with it without you having full understanding is likely to just end up causing more issues, and make it harder for a future doctor to actually diagnose.

For instance, nolva will likely make your estrogen issues worse. It binds to estrogen receptiors, so that the estrogen in bloodstream has no place to go. So its not unusual to see an increase in estrogen levels when taking nolvadex.
 
My god, Nolvadex increase estrogen? Thats Ididnt know. So what I can do to decrease it? Just ZMA?

Im not self diagnoseing... but i need to research options... next week ill go to an urologist, but im not hopeful... and if he doesnt know what to do? :/

Im very worried...
 
It doesn't directly increase it, but binds to the spots where it would normally get used. I guess as an example, picture you have lamp oil with a wick floating on top burning. Pour alcohol on top of the lamp oil and instead of burning the lamp oil, the alcohol will burn. Same sort of thing here, the nolvadex/toremefine/clomid/etc all bind to the spots such as chest/breast tissue where estrogen would normally bind, which is why they are used for gyno prevention (and originally for breast cancer victims). So the estrogen rather than getting used in that tissue basically sits around in bloodstream, and is used up much more slowly by the other parts of the body.

An aromatase inhibor would lower your conversion of testosterone to estrogen BUT again your estrogen level although not optimal isn't at a level where it should cause what you are experiencing. Tinkering with it yourself is far more likely to cause additional problems, or cause a doctor to have a harder time determining baseline and what is really wrong rather than cure anything.
 
Ok, i think de major causes for my problems ate my very low LH/FSH and very shrinked left testicle.

What do you think that can help to improve LH/FSH?
 
I think seeing professional doctors is the best thing. I have never heard of low LH or FSH causing libidio issues unless testosterone was also low. There isn't particularly anything I know of that can cause long term/permanent improvement in LH or FSH, with the exception of a few experimental drugs.
 
And what do you thing about testo boosters? Vitrix has helped me a lot ! Look at the historical of my libido problem since the end of my last cycle and what i took:

Week Libido Product
04/out Low Clomid
11/out Low Clomid
18/out Low Tribullus
25/out Normal Tribullus
01/nov Normal Tribullus
08/nov Low Tribullus
15/nov Low Clomid
22/nov Normal Clomid Exam 1: High T
29/nov Normal Vitrix
06/dez Normal Vitrix
13/dez Normal Vitrix
20/dez Normal Vitrix
27/dez Low
03/jan Low Tribullus
10/jan Normal Tribullus
17/jan Normal Tribullus
24/jan Low Tribullus
31/jan Low
07/fev Normal
14/fev Low
21/fev Low
28/fev Low
06/mar Low Exam 2: Medium T and very low LH/FSH
13/mar Normal
20/mar Low
 
Hello everybody,

last week I had another bloodwork, 8 months after my last cycle. I still have no libido.

Value Min Max
Total Test 684,91 241 827
Free Test 13,8 3,8 18,4
LH 1,93 1,5 9,3
FSH 1,18 1,4 18,1
Prolactin 5,93 2,1 17,7
Estrogen 41,5 11,6 41,2
SHBG 31 13 71

Look at the LH, FSH and Estrogen !!

The urologist says thay I need to wait until 12 months so I think he'll put me on TRT.

Please, I really need Help !! I want my sex drive back ! Maybe clomid and nolvadex? SERMS? HCG, Clomid and Aromasin? Natural Supplements?

Thanks !
 
Literally at those same numbers I'm a raging sex fiend. Ive forgotten already, is it more an issue of having no desire, or of not being able to perform ?
 
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