Help me name our new SERM!!
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Melbar Kasom
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I guess it is not 7,8 benzo nor reservartol nor soybased flavones sorry for being curious. I really wonder how good it will be.
Kickstart7
Well-known member
how will this compare to good ole nolva nad clomid? Can it be used just as a cycle itself to boost test every once in a while ? And how is it on the liver? Prib all been asked but Jwing!
brundel
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No.
7,8 benzo was shown in one study to cause aggressive liver tumors in the presence of estrogen. Since SERMS are generally used under these circumstances I would not risk taking it myself or selling it to anyone. I know people use it....
Resveratrol is great stuff but orally its just not strong enough to do much even at higher doses.
It is not from soy.
It IS present in quite a few plants.
Has been used before. HIGHLY underutilized and people probably think it doesnt work well. This is primarily because doses were way too low. Bioavailibility is poor so 1000+mg daily was needed. Ive seen it in more than 1 product at 25mg which is comparable to just using nothing.
The cyclodextrin complex fixes this. This statement is not based only on our studies but also the research of others.
Oral absorption was increased 7x or 700%+ in one study.
I have been giving it to people for PCT for 2 years. Dozens of people. Its been enough by itself for guys to recover from heavy, long mixed AAS cycles.
We also are including 400mg E cottonii per cap.
60 caps
400/400mg
Halfhuman used 400mg of only the one component. No E cottonii.
The recommended dose will be 2x caps but 1 seems to be plenty.
7,8 benzo was shown in one study to cause aggressive liver tumors in the presence of estrogen. Since SERMS are generally used under these circumstances I would not risk taking it myself or selling it to anyone. I know people use it....
Resveratrol is great stuff but orally its just not strong enough to do much even at higher doses.
It is not from soy.
It IS present in quite a few plants.
Has been used before. HIGHLY underutilized and people probably think it doesnt work well. This is primarily because doses were way too low. Bioavailibility is poor so 1000+mg daily was needed. Ive seen it in more than 1 product at 25mg which is comparable to just using nothing.
The cyclodextrin complex fixes this. This statement is not based only on our studies but also the research of others.
Oral absorption was increased 7x or 700%+ in one study.
I have been giving it to people for PCT for 2 years. Dozens of people. Its been enough by itself for guys to recover from heavy, long mixed AAS cycles.
We also are including 400mg E cottonii per cap.
60 caps
400/400mg
Halfhuman used 400mg of only the one component. No E cottonii.
The recommended dose will be 2x caps but 1 seems to be plenty.
brundel
Board Sponsor
Im not going to compare it directly to a medication for legal reasons.
I will say that it is strong enough for ANY purpose you would use a SERM for. We ran extensive testing.
Test boosting
Gyno
Estro management
On cycle, post cycle.
THere are studies that directly compare the ingredient to medications. Ill let them speak instead of me since our product is for dietary supplementation and not for use as a medication
kenpoengineer
Well-known member
Sounds a lot like Elimistane. Curious to see how this is different.
Melbar Kasom
New member
Any ideas with subject to pricing. How about dosing protocols if possible i mean when should we better run 2 capsules and for How long. Probably the Question sounds dump but a guidline for some Basic scenarios would be Great. For instance based on the 4 classes as seen on tunedsports given a 4 week Or 6 week run. Probably im to complicated however some more guidline would be Great.
Volvo140G
Well-known member
I think I read earlier that brundel said he's added e.cottoni or whatever it is to this formula. The main ingredient is under wraps however. Maybe its Chrysin or something...
kenpoengineer
Well-known member
Yes, same ingredients as Elimistane. I'm watching this closely and can't wait to try it myself to see what it does for my test and E2 levels.
Kickstart7
Well-known member
thanks man! Just curious!Im not going to compare it directly to a medication for legal reasons. I will say that it is strong enough for ANY purpose you would use a SERM for. We ran extensive testing. Test boosting Gyno Estro management On cycle, post cycle. THere are studies that directly compare the ingredient to medications. Ill let them speak instead of me since our product is for dietary supplementation and not for use as a medication
Melbar Kasom
New member
A super special Chrysin extract... Hmm
brundel
Board Sponsor
Chrysin isnt a SERM that I am aware of unless you guys have some info I dont,
Either is arimistane.
E cottonii was added secondary because its 30$ a kg and may contribute.
100% of the people who tested our SERM did NOT use the e cottonii at all. 0
So...the product is not e cottonii as this is a secondary ingredient. Has no chrysin or arimistane and will work as described without the e cottonii.
Also please delete the posts listing the ingredient panels from other companies products. I dont appreciate that. I pay for this space.
Either is arimistane.
E cottonii was added secondary because its 30$ a kg and may contribute.
100% of the people who tested our SERM did NOT use the e cottonii at all. 0
So...the product is not e cottonii as this is a secondary ingredient. Has no chrysin or arimistane and will work as described without the e cottonii.
Also please delete the posts listing the ingredient panels from other companies products. I dont appreciate that. I pay for this space.
Volvo140G
Well-known member
I didn't know elimistane had chrysin in it, that was just a shot in the dark actually...
Brundels a smart guy, I doubt he'd copycat an existing product .....
brundel
Board Sponsor
Im not allowed to talk about others products. So Id like to keep them out of BLR specific threads.
There are threads about our serm older than the product in question so.....not only is it impossible its absurd to think I copied anyone.
Every person here knows better than that.
I would NEVER be so lazy.
There are threads about our serm older than the product in question so.....not only is it impossible its absurd to think I copied anyone.
Every person here knows better than that.
I would NEVER be so lazy.
pcarzola
Member
Keep doing what ur doing brother. 2015 BLR!
abformulations
Legend
Serm was a major success. I ran it without the E cottini. I recovered in 3 weeks fully at half the dose. Extremely potent and effective.
Its not like elimistane. Both share the e.c ingredient. They only using 400mg we have 400mg in each pill which 2 pills will be a serving (800mg).
You guys will def love it. Guarantee.
Its not like elimistane. Both share the e.c ingredient. They only using 400mg we have 400mg in each pill which 2 pills will be a serving (800mg).
You guys will def love it. Guarantee.
Canes325
Active member
Where you able to get blood work done to confirm you were recovered or is this based on how ya feel?
abformulations
Legend
Didn't get bloods. Others did. I went by feel and experience. Imo if u feel and see it then that works for me.
abformulations
Legend
A good amount is being produced.
brundel
Board Sponsor
Honestly I had not expected the volume of interest.
I only made 1600 so...get em while they are hot.
Im going to order more as soon as the first batch is off the presses.
determination
Active member
I will probably by a bottle in case I ever decide to do another cycle. I might even try even try it for test boosting. My guess is this is high dose ellagic acid.
mcgeier
Member
Ellagic acid?
uubiduu
Well-known member
I HAVE expected a high volume of interest and told you earlier. Im from Europe and will give a review on an UK board after having tested this product. Perhaps as PCT after a trest cycle
abformulations
Legend
Very poor bioavailability. Might as well not even put it. Maybe it's put just to show its in it? Even though not affective.
brundel
Board Sponsor
I HAVE expected a high volume of interest and told you earlier. Im from Europe and will give a review on an UK board after having tested this product. Perhaps as PCT after a trest cycle
Yah man interest is VERY high.
pcarzola
Member
Did you expect anything else bro? An effective over the counter serm! Comoon.lol
brundel
Board Sponsor
The manufscturer is kinda lagging. Nothing i can do presently to speed things up. I was told the product would run late this week so maybe tomorrow or fri. Hopefully ill have product to ship mid next week to late next week.
brundel
Board Sponsor
Ill likely start taking pre orders early next week.
pcarzola
Member
Bengal
Active member
Rebirth. Great name. Didn't see it earlier.