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!HELP! Gyno Has Occured!

j0sh710

j0sh710

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Okay well i made a mistake by takeing SUS 500 while i was on nolvedex which supposively can create progesterone induced gynoclamstia, but its not estrogen induced, so i believe my nolvadex wouldn't the correct way to approach this, correct me if i am wrong though.

I can actually feel the tissue if i push down on my chest and already had gyno from adolescents and obesity but it was more on the side of pseudo-gyno, so now what should i do to combat this tissue.

Do you think Letro may be worth a try?

It's my second day that i just dead stopped it, should i get some test boosters as well or what?

please help
 
mikeyb123 said:
You only took Sus500 for 2days??????
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I have taken SUS500 by G.E.T. one other time with great gains for about 1 month and stopped once my blood pressure got high, But i was takeing it for about 1 week when i noticed this occuring and i believe something with the nolva did it.

I read something somewhere about that.
 
So you have been taking sus500 and nolva for 1 week? Are you certain its gyno? Read the "Help I have gyno" sticky.
 
j0sh710 said:
I have taken SUS500 by G.E.T. one other time with great gains for about 1 month and stopped once my blood pressure got high, But i was takeing it for about 1 week when i noticed this occuring and i believe something with the nolva did it.

I read something somewhere about that.
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how long ago was that one time?
 
it needs to be a rule that if you want advice on taking one of these random otc blends that you need to tell the ingredients....everytime i comment on one of these threads i have to go look up whats in sus 500 or tri methyl extreme or whatever....its a pain in the ass....well here i go off to search whats in your product....
 
ok...im back...estra 4 9 and max lmg....that is gyno in a bottle...no doubt about it....why do you think nolva caused your problem? describe the gyno...is it hard deposits or fatty tissue? if you squeeze your nip is there any discharge?.... any research site that takes 2 weeks is a site i would never go to....mine has a t/a of 2-3 days....but again this is why its recomended to have all ancilliaries on hand before you start a cycle.....
 
mooch2321 said:
ok...im back...estra 4 9 and max lmg....that is gyno in a bottle...no doubt about it....why do you think nolva caused your problem? describe the gyno...is it hard deposits or fatty tissue? if you squeeze your nip is there any discharge?.... any research site that takes 2 weeks is a site i would never go to....mine has a t/a of 2-3 days....but again this is why its recomended to have all ancilliaries on hand before you start a cycle.....
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I have Tamoxifen(Nolva) on me but i read that combining the two increases your risk of gyno can't find the exact post but here is a post from bb.com.

not sure what Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione is, but i'm pretty sure it's some sort of progestin.
13-Ethyl-3-Methoxy-Gona-2, 5(10)-Diene-17-One is ALRI MAX LMG, another progestin.
the gyno and shutdown caused by these compounds has nothing to do with aromatization (progestins don't aromatize). the gyno and shutdown associated with progestins is caused by their affinity for the progesterone receptor (progesterone is a female hormone and plays a part in the development of breast tissue). this affinity for the progesterone receptor also makes them HPTA-suppressive - this is caused by a reduction in pituitary LH secretion (as you probably know, LH is a gonadotropin - it stimulates testicular testosterone production).
in the world of illegal AAS, progestins and compounds with progestagenic effects (e.g. nandrolone and deca) are almost always run alongside a testosterone ester.
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Not sure if that is any help. But no discharge at all and yes it is pretty hard i know i have fat tissue to go along with to, i could get you some pictures.
 
i was taking sus500 I never got any lumps orf tissue build up but I did get very sensitive nips and they started lactating so I took some p5p to clear it up. Only took for three days and was good to go. Then tapered down while taking post cycle support, zma and i3c. then week 3-5 lean xtreme then 4-7 activate extreme and post rv1. Have Nova but not sure if im gonna use. I was takin 2 a day for two weeks then 3 a day for week three then 4 a day for week 4 then tapered back to three and started post.
Are you sure its gyno? they will get pretty sensitive on that ****. I had nice gains but will never take it again. The sides freaked me out.
 
crazee77 said:
i was taking sus500 I never got any lumps orf tissue build up but I did get very sensitive nips and they started lactating so I took some p5p to clear it up. Only took for three days and was good to go. Then tapered down while taking post cycle support, zma and i3c. then week 3-5 lean xtreme then 4-7 activate extreme and post rv1. Have Nova but not sure if im gonna use. I was takin 2 a day for two weeks then 3 a day for week three then 4 a day for week 4 then tapered back to three and started post.
Are you sure its gyno? they will get pretty sensitive on that ****. I had nice gains but will never take it again. The sides freaked me out.
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ya i agree the gains are great but i don't think it's worth the sides andi am postive it's gyno it hard tissue in my chest i can move it around it's not like a fat feeling its like a more sensative tissue that i never have had before.

I am considering takeing Letro, do you think that may help?
 
in response to your bb.com quote....the person who wrote this doesnt know what they are talking about....first off estra 4 9 converts to dienolone, which has a relative binding affinity of 17 at the progestin receptor...it can not be defined as a progestin....and as far as progestins not aromatizing they definately do...just not on the scale of something like test....what you've done is run an aromatizing compound and a progestin...i would get some bloodwork done to see what is actually going on....
 
mooch2321 said:
in response to your bb.com quote....the person who wrote this doesnt know what they are talking about....first off estra 4 9 converts to dienolone, which has a relative binding affinity of 17 at the progestin receptor...it can not be defined as a progestin....and as far as progestins not aromatizing they definately do...just not on the scale of something like test....what you've done is run an aromatizing compound and a progestin...i would get some bloodwork done to see what is actually going on....
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hmm to be quite honest the doctor i go to doesn't seem to educated in this area last time i went he just told me to do some dumbbell flys.
 
well...your doc doesnt need to be educated for you to request bloodwork....you can tell whats going on yourself from the results and self-medicate....but honestly...anything i told you to take right now would be a crapshoot....if you take letro and put your body through that stress adn then thats not the problem and turn right around and get on caber....this is a vicious circle man...and could cause just as many probs as it fixed....get blood work....
 
mooch2321 said:
well...your doc doesnt need to be educated for you to request bloodwork....you can tell whats going on yourself from the results and self-medicate....but honestly...anything i told you to take right now would be a crapshoot....if you take letro and put your body through that stress adn then thats not the problem and turn right around and get on caber....this is a vicious circle man...and could cause just as many probs as it fixed....get blood work....
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I really know nothing about bloodwork lol but if i was to request it would i need a reason or could i just get it? then bring it on here and ask you guys about it.
 
j0sh710 said:
I really know nothing about bloodwork lol but if i was to request it would i need a reason or could i just get it? then bring it on here and ask you guys about it.
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you can get anything you want....you just gotta pay for it....but like i said...without that....im pissin in the wind....
 
mooch2321 said:
you can get anything you want....you just gotta pay for it....but like i said...without that....im pissin in the wind....
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how long do u think i have till the chances are more on the side of irreversible?

I wonder if anythign with my diet i am following now could have triggered anything, it was a mix of nolva, LG I-GH-1, and sus500
 
TexasLifter89 said:
how old are you again? Have you ever had a blood test done with all these cycles?
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This is my second cycle and i was very unedjucated in this topic i came to realize after i came across gyno. I am 17 (I know young) but i was kind of handed the SUS500 without knowing really what it was from a friend at the gym, i also had the nolvadex because i have read about it reducing gyno which i had from puberty, and i have never had a blood test done before, i was just kind of curious and how i go about going to my doctor for the tests.

Do i just make an appointment for some bloodwork and they will give me results?
 
j0sh710 said:
Damn i forgot about that thread while back.

But ya i am 17 i just don't want people to just bash me like you when i need help.
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first you're too young to take steroids, big mistake, second you take them without knowing **** about them(progestins and nolva-ridiculous) , third , its because of guys like you that intelligent juicers and steroids have a bad reputation , grow up , educate yourself and sorry to say this but you deserve the gyno boy
 
nunes said:
first you're too young to take steroids, big mistake, second you take them without knowing **** about them(progestins and nolva-ridiculous) , third , its because of guys like you that intelligent juicers and steroids have a bad reputation , grow up , educate yourself and sorry to say this but you deserve the gyno boy
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Honeslty i am not the guys that give it a bad rep because i don't go around not takeing PCT or any other means i know the signs when something may go wrong but i just didn't realize the whole nolvadex together scenerio, i am sorry i am not a genious on the matter and i made a mistake, i came on here to try and correct my mistake with positive critisim, not people like you saying grow up, you deserve gyno. I am sure you were a Teen at one point and didn't always make the right choice, and i am sure you would try and look for help instead of just sit their doing nothing.
 
YOU ARE TO YOUNG PERIOD

j0sh710 said:
Honeslty i am not the guys that give it a bad rep because i don't go around not takeing PCT or any other means i know the signs when something may go wrong but i just didn't realize the whole nolvadex together scenerio, i am sorry i am not a genious on the matter and i made a mistake, i came on here to try and correct my mistake with positive critisim, not people like you saying grow up, you deserve gyno. I am sure you were a Teen at one point and didn't always make the right choice, and i am sure you would try and look for help instead of just sit their doing nothing.[/Q

From what I have read and any of the more knowledgeable Lifters correct me if I am wrong. A person that is still growing should not use AAS becuase it will stop his growing permently , as in if your 5 foot 5 inches tall then you will never grow beyond that.
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samva777 said:
j0sh710 said:
Honeslty i am not the guys that give it a bad rep because i don't go around not takeing PCT or any other means i know the signs when something may go wrong but i just didn't realize the whole nolvadex together scenerio, i am sorry i am not a genious on the matter and i made a mistake, i came on here to try and correct my mistake with positive critisim, not people like you saying grow up, you deserve gyno. I am sure you were a Teen at one point and didn't always make the right choice, and i am sure you would try and look for help instead of just sit their doing nothing.[/Q

From what I have read and any of the more knowledgeable Lifters correct me if I am wrong. A person that is still growing should not use AAS becuase it will stop his growing permently , as in if your 5 foot 5 inches tall then you will never grow beyond that.
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THats not 100% true but it is very possible i believe i have reached most of my growoing potential seeing that i am taller then both my parents already and i am about 5ft 11in.

I am just looking for a way to remove this tissue.

I have read many ways people say to handle progesterone induced gyno, i am considering giving Letro and Vitex a shot, what do you guys think.

I don't know how i should dose it to well either anyone think that may work?
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guys like you don't deserve help, if your homework was done you should know that EVERYBODY here says that do not take steroids till you`re 21 at least because IMO is still early but that's just me, first you do the **** then you cry, you just wanted to be smarter than the others and you ****ed up yourself.

man , you shouldn't be here in this area of the forum in the first place , its forbidden to under 21`s .

you want help , search a doctor because if you already have the titis there's nothing to do, dostinex may help but what iTs done its done.
Go and get a plastic surgeon its the best help I can give you.

my second neg in this forum is to you because you really deserve it
 
nunes said:
guys like you don't deserve help, if your homework was done you should know that EVERYBODY here says that do not take steroids till you`re 21 at least because IMO is still early but that's just me, first you do the **** then you cry, you just wanted to be smarter than the others and you ****ed up yourself.

man , you shouldn't be here in this area of the forum in the first place , its forbidden to under 21`s .

you want help , search a doctor because if you already have the titis there's nothing to do, dostinex may help but what iTs done its done.
Go and get a plastic surgeon its the best help I can give you.

my second neg in this forum is to you because you really deserve it
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Dude, you're a straight up a$$hole. STFU, man, act like you're 31 at least. The dude has admitted to ****ing up; this is a classic issue we've seen around. Does that mean we leave him hanging there? You're spending enough time chopping him down, so you're obviously committed to get your point across, but how about you use that same time you spend ripping him a new one to actually HELP HIM OUT ?! .. Guess you're not informed enough to do so, huh ?!
 
vikinginc said:
Dude, you're a straight up a$$hole. STFU, man, act like you're 31 at least. The dude has admitted to ****ing up; this is a classic issue we've seen around. Does that mean we leave him hanging there? You're spending enough time chopping him down, so you're obviously committed to get your point across, but how about you use that same time you spend ripping him a new one to actually HELP HIM OUT ?! .. Guess you're not informed enough to do so, huh ?!
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Thanks man at least someone understands that i know i made a mistake i am just looking for help, i didn't know it was so wrong to get help.

Could you guys imagine giving advice like this to the wrong person, what it could do? They have taken a more hardcore steroid with all the negative effects didn't know what was wrong and then accumulates gyno and ask for help and people like Nunes would be **** talking him like Nunes say you ****ing deserved it you ass hole, blah blah, ya it's real cool how you do that Nunes, i think it makes me more of a man to admit i was wrong and try and get some help.

Would you rather me be one of those teens who hang themselves?
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
They don't hang themselves because they grow tits..

point not taken.
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They do because of improper PCT and coming off losing gains going into depression growing tits and feeling shitty about themselves feeling their is no reason to be living anymore.
 
j0sh710 said:
They do because of improper PCT and coming off losing gains going into depression growing tits and feeling shitty about themselves feeling their is no reason to be living anymore.
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Depression caused by very low testosterone levels is the primary reason. The effects that come along with that are secondary.

Anyway, you're not suffering from low test.. OK. You're getting a little gyno.. Go get some dostinex and get that sh*t fixed.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
Depression caused by very low testosterone levels is the primary reason. The effects that come along with that are secondary.

Anyway, you're not suffering from low test.. OK. You're getting a little gyno.. Go get some dostinex and get that sh*t fixed.
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Okay how much do you guys recommend i get?
 
josh...seriously, get to a Dr/Endocrinologist and tell him you took steroids and have developed gyno. Ask him to do some bloodwork, which I'm sure he will, then stay away from steroids.

Trust me man, I was in your shoes 20 yrs ago.
 
GotTest said:
josh...seriously, get to a Dr/Endocrinologist and tell him you took steroids and have developed gyno. Ask him to do some bloodwork, which I'm sure he will, then stay away from steroids.

Trust me man, I was in your shoes 20 yrs ago.
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Okay I think that is probably the right thing, do you think the doctor will just point me to surgery or is their any chance of him prescribing me a SERM or something?
 
vikinginc said:
Dude, you're a straight up a$$hole. STFU, man, act like you're 31 at least. The dude has admitted to ****ing up; this is a classic issue we've seen around. Does that mean we leave him hanging there? You're spending enough time chopping him down, so you're obviously committed to get your point across, but how about you use that same time you spend ripping him a new one to actually HELP HIM OUT ?! .. Guess you're not informed enough to do so, huh ?!
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in the case you haven't read my last post I gave him all the help he can get, dostinex and a doctor(but you probably don't know what that is, go and do a search) , on the contrary you said ...nothing, and its strange cause you seem to use steroids for a long time so you should know something about them .
when we do mistakes sometimes we deserve the consequences , I`ll not tell a 17 year old kid he did well to take steroids, he did wrong , very wrong but if you think its right just 2 words to you: **** ***, I think you`ll understand the stars.

its not with kind words that people correct their mistakes(oh , I made a mistake I`m sorry, sigh, please help-f*** it man, first think about it, you did the **** , now take the consequences),you should STFU not myself, I helped the guy but I`ll not give him a word of comfort , forget about it
 
Maybe....you should have gone to the doctor and got all this fixed after your thread about epistane giving you gyno :confused:

and if you did after that....than maybe this is karma for using several desgners at 16..
 
bolt10 said:
Maybe....you should have gone to the doctor and got all this fixed after your thread about epistane giving you gyno :confused:

and if you did after that....than maybe this is karma for using several desgners at 16..
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yeah but now he says he is wrong, maybe in the first time he fu**** up he was right...
 
bolt10 said:
Maybe....you should have gone to the doctor and got all this fixed after your thread about epistane giving you gyno :confused:

and if you did after that....than maybe this is karma for using several desgners at 16..
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I had no idea about progestorone induced gyno, and i came to find out that epistane didn't give me gyno it was the same all along as me through puberty.

i know i made the mistake i am only looking for advice, i talked to my dad about it and i am going to go the doctors and see what they say about it. I doubt they will write me prescriptions i think they will probably aim towards surgery.

I am considering getting Dostinex i already reasearched it and it lowers progestin, which i think may be what i need.
 
I personally could care less if someone younger than 21 used PH's or Steroids... it's their body and well being.

But if you were dumb enough to not do enough research, and actually understand what you are doing before you do it, you deserve everything you get.

At least know what you are doing first.

And why Sus500 for your first DS? Why not go with something milder instead of a Steroid cocktail?
 
sp447 said:
I personally could care less if someone younger than 21 used PH's or Steroids... it's their body and well being.

But if you were dumb enough to not do enough research, and actually understand what you are doing before you do it, you deserve everything you get.

At least know what you are doing first.

And why Sus500 for your first DS? Why not go with something milder instead of a Steroid cocktail?
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Honestly i am not going to lie i didn't know what the hell i was takeing i knew it was a pro hormone aka steroid but i didn't know how strong it was the first time i took it, it worked phenomonanal for me, i gained 10-15 pounds and after for pct i used nolvedex xt and i had no gyno appear. And also retained most of the gains. I actually gains more strength on the Nolvedex XT by Gaspari Nutrtion.

The reason i even took this is because the gym owner were i live,is really good friends with me and had some and asked me if i wanted it and he sold me both of those products for $35 so i thought great deal i will give it a shot I took it, and it worked great so second round i was on nolva and it didn't exactly go to well that round...

Well i talked to my dad about it and i am going to the doctors Monday and i am going to tell him the whole scenerio and ask if i can get blood work and let you know results and i will give you guys a follow up on how it all turns out.


I will also let you guys know what he recommends me to do and ask you guys in on any advice he gives me and what you guys think before i take action, i want to leave surgery at a last resort but worst case scenerio i may do that :/

I understand it's my fault and my mistake and i hope people learn from this.

NEVER TAKE SUS500 WITH NOLVADEX (TAMOXIFEN CITRATE) OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER UNLESS YOU READ UP ON IT.

Thanks everyone for recommendations and what i should do and help me out and sorry for pissing those of you who i did off. We all make mistakes and unfortuantely mine was a very stupid one.

I now know i am going to wait on steriods untill i am older of age or at least well eduacated on the topic, you need to know your body and be prepared for the worst, i had Nolva on hand but unfortunately that wasn't what i needed...
 
j0sh710 said:
Honestly i am not going to lie i didn't know what the hell i was takeing i knew it was a pro hormone aka steroid but i didn't know how strong it was the first time i took it, it worked phenomonanal for me, i gained 10-15 pounds and after for pct i used nolvedex xt and i had no gyno appear. And also retained most of the gains. I actually gains more strength on the Nolvedex XT by Gaspari Nutrtion.

The reason i even took this is because the gym owner were i live,is really good friends with me and had some and asked me if i wanted it and he sold me both of those products for $35 so i thought great deal i will give it a shot I took it, and it worked great so second round i was on nolva and it didn't exactly go to well that round...

Well i talked to my dad about it and i am going to the doctors Monday and i am going to tell him the whole scenerio and ask if i can get blood work and let you know results and i will give you guys a follow up on how it all turns out.


I will also let you guys know what he recommends me to do and ask you guys in on any advice he gives me and what you guys think before i take action, i want to leave surgery at a last resort but worst case scenerio i may do that :/

I understand it's my fault and my mistake and i hope people learn from this.

NEVER TAKE SUS500 WITH NOLVADEX (TAMOXIFEN CITRATE) OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER UNLESS YOU READ UP ON IT.

Thanks everyone for recommendations and what i should do and help me out and sorry for pissing those of you who i did off. We all make mistakes and unfortuantely mine was a very stupid one.

I now know i am going to wait on steriods untill i am older of age or at least well eduacated on the topic, you need to know your body and be prepared for the worst, i had Nolva on hand but unfortunately that wasn't what i needed...
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you understand why never to mix nolva an sus500? I mean obviously you do from the sides. Its not just sus500 you want to avoid mixing with nolvadex, but I believe it is every progestin type PH aas
 
Good company I was gonna get the sus500 but didnt. I just bought Tren Xtreme and Epistane. The company has a real nice one called Stakabol if you heard of it. Highly methylized too....
 
TexasLifter89 said:
you understand why never to mix nolva an sus500? I mean obviously you do from the sides. Its not just sus500 you want to avoid mixing with nolvadex, but I believe it is every progestin type PH aas
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Ya your right it is any progestine type PH or AAS.

**** it seems like it's getting worse i can't wait to get into the doctors i want to do something ASAP.
 
dont feel bad bro I did alot of research on the sus and was sold the stuff by my gym owner too. They didnt tell me anything about it except this will make you big and its legal!!! so I was thinkin well hell it must be safe...learned alot from this web site though!! good luck let me know how your blood work and everything goes! Im on my post cycle now and no problems so far.
 
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