Helladrol First Cycle Ever Please Help...

DeChicchis91 said:
Yeah they said hdrol is a 8 hour life right?
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I think its a little higher. I remember it being a longer half life PH. Not like SD and Epi.


All good info here. And the milk thistle and stuff will keep you good. I just dont take it during my cycle because it has anti androgenic properties.
 
What if I just did cel assist, cel pct, and a DAA if I feel no need for the nolva and I might as well stick with cel cycle assist because it will all end up costing the same anyways
 
DeChicchis91 said:
What if I just did cel assist, cel pct, and a DAA if I feel no need for the nolva and I might as well stick with cel cycle assist because it will all end up costing the same anyways
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If you go with that id at least make sure to have some nolva on hand just in case, even if you dont use it.
 
DeChicchis91 said:
What if I just did cel assist, cel pct, and a DAA if I feel no need for the nolva and I might as well stick with cel cycle assist because it will all end up costing the same anyways
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Its your body in the end. If you really want to just run those then go ahead. But if you get gyno and cant get your natty test back don't say we didn't warn ya ;)

I had a friend who'd do Mdrol cycles with no PCT. He's fine (I think). But then again there are horror stories. I would keep everything on hand. It seems you are reluctant to use an extensive PCT, so just keep it on hand, if you don't use it then you can use it later on. At least you will HAVE it in case something goes wrong.
 
Haha you have a point my lifting partner said he has some from his cycle I know this sounds dumb but since I never experienced it yet how will I know if I need the nolva?
 
DeChicchis91 said:
Haha you have a point my lifting partner said he has some from his cycle I know this sounds dumb but since I never experienced it yet how will I know if I need the nolva?
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youll feel a tender ball under your nipple... might start off as itchy nipples but itchy nipples doesnt really mean much..watch out for actual lumps and tenderness
 
DeChicchis91 said:
Haha you have a point my lifting partner said he has some from his cycle I know this sounds dumb but since I never experienced it yet how will I know if I need the nolva?
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Its really hard to tell for sure. But when you get it better have the serm and an AI on hand or surgery is the only option in some cases... I hear its pricey...
 
it doesnt really matter. I take mine with my preworkout powder just to cover the taste. You can take it with breakfast if you want. It more matters that you ger the DAA in your body every day IMO
 
ok this is my cycle

Cycle Assist 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4
Helladrol-0/50/75/75/75/75/100
Fishoil
Multi Vit
Protein
Creatine
Carb Before And After workout

PCT.
CEL PCt
Nolva 20/20/10/10 if needed
DAA Before Workout
And Erase If I take the nolva
i will be working out 5 days a week and taking in 3000+ calories and 200+ grams of protein

now that this is all figured out does this look good or am i missing anything important?
 
DeChicchis91 said:
ok this is my cycle

Cycle Assist 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4
Helladrol-0/50/75/75/75/75/100
Fishoil
Multi Vit
Protein
Creatine
Carb Before And After workout

PCT.
CEL PCt
Nolva 20/20/10/10 if needed
DAA Before Workout
And Erase If I take the nolva
i will be working out 5 days a week and taking in 3000+ calories and 200+ grams of protein

now that this is all figured out does this look good or am i missing anything important?
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Looks pretty soild man. Only thing i would say, especially if your a hardgainer, up the cals.
 
DeChicchis91 said:
ok this is my cycle

Cycle Assist 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4
Helladrol-0/50/75/75/75/75/100
Fishoil
Multi Vit
Protein
Creatine
Carb Before And After workout

PCT.
CEL PCt
Nolva 20/20/10/10 if needed
DAA Before Workout
And Erase If I take the nolva
i will be working out 5 days a week and taking in 3000+ calories and 200+ grams of protein

now that this is all figured out does this look good or am i missing anything important?
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Looks good but I would take Erase regardless if u take the Nolva or not.
 
I'm on my third week right now with hdrol. If I was you I would go right into 75mg a day starting the first week. I did 75mg my first two weeks, now I'm at 100mg week 3-5 and I'll jump it up to 125 week 6. Good luck on you cycle! In order for it to work good you gotta eat man.
 
DeChicchis91 said:
Why do you say to save it for pct? Why not during cycle and pct?
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Don't save it for PCT. Creatine should be used on cycle, off cycle, and in between cycles.....in other words DON'T COME OFF OF IT!!

Creatine is much more effective on cycle IMO ;)
 
I guess it's a damn near 50/50 split as far as saving your creatine for pct. I knew I read it some where it's suppose to help keep gains after a cycle. But all in all it looks like personal preference after some more diggin.
 
RickRock13 said:
Don't save it for PCT. Creatine should be used on cycle, off cycle, and in between cycles.....in other words DON'T COME OFF OF IT!!

Creatine is much more effective on cycle IMO ;)
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I agree with this. I take creatine year round. I never stop taking it. Even when i'm dieting down.
 
So I'm gonna start my helladrol cycle in the next 2 weeks,I'm gonna take torem for pct with other supps,now do I need to add erase in my pct too or i dont need it?
 
So I'm gonna be starting my cycle soon at 75/75/75/75/100/100
Cycle assist
Fish oil
Multi vit

Pct assist
DAA
Erase

When should I start the erase?
 
DeChicchis91 said:
So I'm gonna be starting my cycle soon at 75/75/75/75/100/100
Cycle assist
Fish oil
Multi vit

Pct assist
DAA
Erase

When should I start the erase?
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Probably around week 3 as cortisol begins to rise around the end of the second week of PCT
 
Should I throw in an extra test booster or is DAA good enough and is it alright to do 50mgs the first day to see how my body reacts then go straight to 75?
 
DeChicchis91 said:
Should I throw in an extra test booster or is DAA good enough and is it alright to do 50mgs the first day to see how my body reacts then go straight to 75?
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An extra booster along with DAA is what I would do. HCGenerate would be ideal, and its on presale right now at NTBM. Its been out of stock for a while and won't last long if you want to pick some up.
 
Wish I could don't have 70 dollars to put to it on a budget for now is it ok to start helladrol at 75mg and what exactly does pes erase do that DAA and CEL PCT Assist already do for you?
 
DeChicchis91 said:
Wish I could don't have 70 dollars to put to it on a budget for now is it ok to start helladrol at 75mg and what exactly does pes erase do that DAA and CEL PCT Assist already do for you?
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Erase is an AI...and a damn good one at that. A great addition to PCT.
 
So start taking erase 3rd week of pct at 3 caps a day and do I do that until the bottle is gone? And is ok to have just CEL PCT Assist and DAA as my tests boosters cause like I said before I'm on a pretty tight budget I got everything else I need though
 
wait so are you using a serm or no? If you are using a serm you can start erase week 3... if you are not using a serm id start erase at 3 caps per day starting day 1 pct.
 
Actually the best way to run a SERM is to run in inversely of your AI.

So as you begin to taper off of your serm....you begin to ramp up the dosage of the AI
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Actually the best way to run a SERM is to run in inversely of your AI.

So as you begin to taper off of your serm....you begin to ramp up the dosage of the AI
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This is ideal....I agree. Starting the AI week 3 is generally the way I do it when your SERM dose is lowered.
 
I prefer the "double taper" approach that Unreal mentioned to the inverse taper myself, we don't want to crush estrogen, we want to control it. Otherwise we'd be running high-dose adex or something in pct.

ManBeast
 
ManBeast said:
I prefer the "double taper" approach that Unreal mentioned to the inverse taper myself, we don't want to crush estrogen, we want to control it. Otherwise we'd be running high-dose adex or something in pct.

ManBeast
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So would you start erase 1/2/2/3 and Torem 90/60/60/30? Hey ManBeast what do you think about MK2866? And how would I run this PCT? Do I still need my other support supps?
 
I'd run them like this (using torem as an example):

Torem:90/60/60/30/0/0
Erase:0/3/3/3/2/1

mk2866 (aka Ostarine) is shaping up to be an incredible compound for several uses. PCT being one of them if dosed 25mg/ed or below to prevent major suppression/shutdown.

ManBeast
 
I might not even use an ai if I feel no sides just might save it for my beastdrol cycle but I started helladrol a week ago and my max is up to 315 already
 
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