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Jayhawkk said:
I don't think swearing in and of itself is a problem. I think having multiple posts with nothing but swearing with no other content can be annoying... When kept to 'a' thread and that type of posting isn't found to be the only way you can communicate, it isn't too bad.
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Alright, cool:head:
 
Jayhawkk said:
everything in moderation, remember :) I wouldn't run all that **** and 60, possibly 80mg of havoc on top of it.
1. waste of product
2. Too much stress on the body
3. waste of product

Yeah I know 1 and 3 are the same but with gas prices we can't be just wasting **** for the **** of it! lol
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I agree 100% It is also unclear as to whether or not he is taking these everyday or just pulsing them. If he is pulsing them, he isn't taking a natty T booster on his off days like he is supposed to be. Effects won't be insane a few days in anyway. So what say you heavies? Are you taking these everyday or just pulsing them on workout days? Regardless, it will take 2 weeks or so to start feeling the effects of the compounds. I also don't know if he is taking any liver supplementation either? Fill us in bro...
 
bassgod272 said:
I agree 100% It is also unclear as to whether or not he is taking these everyday or just pulsing them. If he is pulsing them, he isn't taking a natty T booster on his off days like he is supposed to be. Effects won't be insane a few days in anyway. So what say you heavies? Are you taking these everyday or just pulsing them on workout days? Regardless, it will take 2 weeks or so to start feeling the effects of the compounds. I also don't know if he is taking any liver supplementation either? Fill us in bro...
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I think he's still running IGF-1?? And even at that home boy was "I think" just coming out of PCT from a prop cycle???
IDK, This log is to chaotic to decipher much. Only the most skilled padawan learner could determine such things without re-reading 50pages of madness death and destruction. Actually I think there was more death in my thread but this one has hands down more destruction and overall lunacy:thumbsup:
 
bassgod272 said:
I agree 100% It is also unclear as to whether or not he is taking these everyday or just pulsing them. If he is pulsing them, he isn't taking a natty T booster on his off days like he is supposed to be. Effects won't be insane a few days in anyway. So what say you heavies? Are you taking these everyday or just pulsing them on workout days? Regardless, it will take 2 weeks or so to start feeling the effects of the compounds. I also don't know if he is taking any liver supplementation either? Fill us in bro...
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I am not pulsing anything, I am running ED..... I am taking a liver support, Multi V, a product called Recovizon, Hawthorn Berries, Fish Oil,
Zinc, Folic Acid, Vitamin C, my AA stack PWO, Yerba Mate, this isn't my first rodeo...... the standard protocol, oh yeah and IGF1-LR3........ I feel a little jacked up today..... here is how I am doing it......

Today;

50 mg Havoc about 3 hrs B4 WO, half is same as Dbol = 6 hrs....
60 mg Tren 2 when I took Havoc, then 1 30 min. B4 WO
2 Bulk Tabs 1 with Havoc, then 1 30 min. B4 WO

Need I remind yall I am only 6'6" 260 lbs...... there is no way I can take the regular dose.....

Todays WO was good, ME Bench

Modified Floor Press off low pins about 4-5 in. above chest worked from 135 to 265, easy big negs slow with a pause on the low pins then explode
Rack Lockouts off high pins 5x3 355
Power Rack Bench from pins 6 in above chest 5 x3 225
Power Rack Bench from pins 9 in. above chest worked up to 285 sets three reps
1 x 8 Negs at 265 off high pins
wide grip pulldowns 4x8 190
wide grip pushdowns 3 x 10 180 lbs
tri pushdown 2 x 10 100 lbs

Yeah I am impatient, I have been taking this for 7 or 8 days..... I have just never run PH's only lots of real gear.....

JayH.... I feel you bro...... all cools in the land of DOOM......
 
BlackSheep said:
I think he's still running IGF-1?? And even at that home boy was "I think" just coming out of PCT from a prop cycle???
IDK, This log is to chaotic to decipher much. Only the most skilled padawan learner could determine such things without re-reading 50pages of madness death and destruction. Actually I think there was more death in my thread but this one has hands down more destruction and overall lunacy:thumbsup:
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I was 6 weeks PC of T Prop Equip Prov. Dbol....... B4 starting this PH..... and yeah I am still running the IGF1-LR3....... MADNESS AND DOOM......fvcking beautiful.....
 
heavies said:
I was 6 weeks PC of T Prop Equip Prov. Dbol....... B4 starting this PH..... and yeah I am still running the IGF1-LR3....... MADNESS AND DOOM......fvcking beautiful.....
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Nice, I love that, "the AA stack" you fcuking lunatic:thumbsup:
A few more days and the Havoc will start hittin ya. I'd spread that sht out a bit more though personally. 10mgs first thing in the AM and then the rest pre-wo but you know your sht so euh...
You'll be feelin something any minute now:thumbsup:
 
Jayhawkk said:
I don't think swearing in and of itself is a problem. I think having multiple posts with nothing but swearing with no other content can be annoying... When kept to 'a' thread and that type of posting isn't found to be the only way you can communicate, it isn't too bad.
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fvck sh!t hot damn.......:toofunny::toofunny:

Seriously I will try and contain myself......thanx for the heads up... and your posts earlier...... I too have seen people chase that dream a little to frequently.....
 
heavies said:
I was 6 weeks PC of T Prop Equip Prov. Dbol....... B4 starting this PH..... and yeah I am still running the IGF1-LR3....... MADNESS AND DOOM......fvcking beautiful.....
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Not to sidetrack anything bro, but how did you dose halotestin when you used it? OBVIOUSLY don't do a cycle of it. Just use it every now and then, but what dose did you use and how long before your session did you take it? Thanks mayne!
 
bassgod272 said:
I agree 100% It is also unclear as to whether or not he is taking these everyday or just pulsing them. If he is pulsing them, he isn't taking a natty T booster on his off days like he is supposed to be. Effects won't be insane a few days in anyway. So what say you heavies? Are you taking these everyday or just pulsing them on workout days? Regardless, it will take 2 weeks or so to start feeling the effects of the compounds. I also don't know if he is taking any liver supplementation either? Fill us in bro...
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Wasn't he running the Epi e/d and pulsing the tren? I swear that is what he said the day he got his order.

Edit: N/M didn't read far enough... of course Heavies isn't pulsing, what was I thinking lol...
 
Jayhawkk said:
If it wasn't for my liver disagreeing with my decisions I would still be chasing it LOL
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Well IDK if you've seen this but:
 

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bassgod272 said:
Not to sidetrack anything bro, but how did you dose halotestin when you used it? OBVIOUSLY don't do a cycle of it. Just use it every now and then, but what dose did you use and how long before your session did you take it? Thanks mayne!
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You can run Halotestin 20 mg ED..... for no longer than 8 weeks, pretty toxic, but no more than any other oral IMO....

or pulse it at up around 40 mg

And yes I cycled it 8 wks...... with T Prop.......

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DO NOT RUN WITH ADDITIONAL ORALS.... run it with some Test there is a reason why the stuff is
PL'ers pez....... don't expect to get much in massive gains.... here I will post the profile in a min.
 
Liver values 10x their normal limits with a lot of blood pressure and other things off the charts. Ended up taking several years to get to the upper limits of normal but anything other than 'nothing' puts my blood work in the ' we need to give you meds and therapy' area.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Liver values 10x their normal limits with a lot of blood pressure and other things off the charts. Ended up taking several years to get to the upper limits of normal but anything other than 'nothing' puts my blood work in the ' we need to give you meds and therapy' area.
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Was it a combo of stuff or something you were running in particular that caused the MOLV (mother of liver values), but you can still run injectables.....
 
I was just reflecting back over the 20 some odd pages of this log and thought to myself......

FVCKING A THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST CHAOTIC SH!T I HAVE EVER SEEN I MEAN FVCK ME RUNNING..... GODDAMN THIS IS SOME GOOD ASS SH!T.......


Remember I was no ENGLISH major........ I lack normal adjectives
 
heavies said:
You can run Halotestin 20 mg ED..... for no longer than 8 weeks, pretty toxic, but no more than any other oral IMO....

or pulse it at up around 40 mg

And yes I cycled it 8 wks...... with T Prop.......

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DO NOT RUN WITH ADDITIONAL ORALS.... run it with some Test there is a reason why the stuff is
PL'ers pez....... don't expect to get much in massive gains.... here I will post the profile in a min.
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Oh I know about the compound bro, I was just curious what dose YOU used and how long you ran it. It is supposedly 1 notch down from the notorious anadrol on the danger scale, but it is still the KING of liver damage. I will probably do 4-6 weeks, not 8. I'm still young, but i'd like to keep my liver healthy. I am still unsure on what to do...I was going to use Epistaneduring the last 4 weeks of my cycle. Who votes I should use a.) ORAL TREN or b.) halotestin instead? Thanks in advance.
 
heavies said:
I was just reflecting back over the 20 some odd pages of this log and thought to myself......

FVCKING A THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST CHAOTIC SH!T I HAVE EVER SEEN I MEAN FVCK ME RUNNING..... GODDAMN THIS IS SOME GOOD ASS SH!T.......


Remember I was no ENGLISH major........ I lack normal adjectives
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HELL YEA CHIEF, YOUR LOG IS SICKKK!!!!
 
bassgod272 said:
Oh I know about the compound bro, I was just curious what dose YOU used and how long you ran it. It is supposedly 1 notch down from the notorious anadrol on the danger scale, but it is still the KING of liver damage. I will probably do 4-6 weeks, not 8. I'm still young, but i'd like to keep my liver healthy. I am still unsure on what to do...I was going to use Epistaneduring the last 4 weeks of my cycle. Who votes I should use a.) ORAL TREN or b.) halotestin instead? Thanks in advance.
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Oral Tren is more toxic than Halo check it out.....
Pharmaceutical Name: Methyltrienolone
Chemical structure: 17-methylestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one,17b-ol
Molecular weight of base: 284.3974



Effective dose: 5-15 mg / day
Average Street-price: Only available for research purposes.
Available Doses: None


Brands & Products: Originally produced by Negma, but never approved for production.

Characteristics:

Methyltrienolone is structurally similar to trenbolone (Parabolan/Finaplix), a well-liked and powerful androgen that does not aromatize to estrogen. The difference is the attachment of a 17-alpha-methyl group for oral activity. So one could refer to methyltrienolone as oral trenbolone. It was first explored quite some time ago by Negma in France, the same company that marketed Parabolan (trenbolone). But the drug was never approved by the French government and was hence never produced. The reason was extreme hepatoxicity. Bill Roberts, the biochemist, once commented that taking methyltrienolone made taking insane doses of anadrol and Halotestin together look mild on the liver. While I was unable to find anything in the literature that describes the extent of the liver toxicity, it's a generally accepted fact. That's also why, to the dissapointment of many, you will never find a commercially marketed methyltrienolone product. Its only sold in bulk to labs and universities for research studies involving androgens.

Mainly because (and those who wish it was available will wish so even more now) its such a potent androgen. There is some conflicting information in that regard however. Organic chemist Patrick Arnold, head of LPJ research, once stated that methyltrienolone was the most powerful steroid ever, and that statement has been blown out of proportion and taken on a life of its own. While androgenically a very potent steroid, methyltrienolone is still basically trenbolone with a 17-alpha-methyl group. A group that has the tendency to actually reduce the androgenic potency. So it may actually be somewhat milder than trenbolone, on the contrary to what many pseudo steroid guru's are now claiming after reading Pat Arnold's statement. I can't find any other documented effects of the 17-alpha-alkylation influencing androgen binding in a positive way. It's a potent androgen, with more binding than even DHT2, but the study that claims that is mild at the very best about quantifications, whereas people have used the term 1000 times more powerful than testosterone, which is surely exaggerated.

What is interesting is that it seems to show nearly no binding for sex-hormone binding proteins, which makes it a popular choice in androgen receptor studies3, since it will demonstrate equal binding in all tissues regardless of the presence and amount of these proteins. No doubt this plays a role in its supposed binding capacity. In this instance the 17-alpha-alkylation may have played a key role, since it has been demonstrated a multitude of times that 17-alpha-methyl groups decrease the binding for sex-hormone binding proteins as well as most other structures, and due to its triple double bond, trenbolone really didn't bind well to these to begin with.

One of the findings made in clinical tests with methyltrienolone was the discovery of high amounts of the DHT-deactivating enzyme 3alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase in muscle tissue4. Once again proof that God meant to keep us humans weak. Hurray for science. Follow-up studies then went on to show that DHT nonetheless showed similar binding in the prostate, and showing little or no presence of the deactivating enzyme. So God would rather have us all die of prostate cancer than gain a few ounces of muscle. It's a comforting thought, no?

What methyltrienolone, despite its amazing capacity, still doesn't overcome are the basic problems with any 19Nor compound. First of all its effects on libido. Methyltrienolone still seems to affect our sex drive in such a potent manner that the dreaded Deca **** (temporary impotence) is a very real threat5. Another is that it still binds almost equipotently to the progesterone receptor3. The latter would be of little concern as long as no circulating estrogen is present since methyltrienolone does not aromatize, but could cause problems such as aggravating water retention and gyno (growth of breast tissue in men) if combined with an aromatizing androgen or an estrogen.

While many may wish that an incredibly strong androgenic, non-aromatizing compound as this was available for daily use, its not. And if the indications are true, its probably best. I've warned many people for the toxicity of fluoxymesterone, and everything points to it that methyltrienolone makes fluoxymesterone look like Tums tablets in terms of liver toxicity.

Stacking and Use:

Obviously this section is mostly useless, as any who would use, let alone stack methyltrienolone for any decent period of time, wouldn't really be around long enough to tell us how well it worked. Ideally one would use it alone, while dieting or for the purpose of gaining lean mass. The androgenic potency is slightly higher than that of trenbolone, so the risk for aggravated hair loss, acne, prostate hypertrophy and deepening of voice is not only realistic, but almost likely. If one were to use it, you would probably have to use every trick in the book to protect your liver and stay alive: Alpha Lipoic Acid, Milk thistle, dessicated liver and Vitamin B6. The blood pressure raise would not be mild either. So something to lower blood pressure is advised as well.

Of course the best advice is to refrain from using such a compound, although for 99% of the population that is not a problem, and I would assume that the 1% that does have access would know better.
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bassgod272 said:
Oh I know about the compound bro, I was just curious what dose YOU used and how long you ran it. It is supposedly 1 notch down from the notorious anadrol on the danger scale, but it is still the KING of liver damage. I will probably do 4-6 weeks, not 8. I'm still young, but i'd like to keep my liver healthy. I am still unsure on what to do...I was going to use Epistaneduring the last 4 weeks of my cycle. Who votes I should use a.) ORAL TREN or b.) halotestin instead? Thanks in advance.
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I pulsed at 20 mg B4 WO for 8 wks 3 on 4 off.... lots of liver supps....
 
heavies said:
I pulsed at 20 mg B4 WO for 8 wks 3 on 4 off.... lots of liver supps....
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OK OK I get the fvckin point! DAMMIT! :lol: I wanted to take Tren and not need to pin something else. Well fvck. I have more thinking to do. What in YOUR opinion would be a better option: Halotestin, INJ TREN, or the Epistane? I'm loking to dry out a little sooner and gain more strength btw. I know the Epi will help, but not anywhere near the extent of haloT or Tren.
 
bassgod272 said:
OK OK I get the fvckin point! DAMMIT! :lol: I wanted to take Tren and not need to pin something else. Well fvck. I have more thinking to do. What in YOUR opinion would be a better option: Halotestin, INJ TREN, or the Epistane? I'm loking to dry out a little sooner and gain more strength btw. I know the Epi will help, but not anywhere near the extent of haloT or Tren.
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Well Epi has more affinity for the androgen receptor, and theoretically will help you out more because of this being coupled with the anti estrogenic effects as well. You will definitely dry out and keep gaining with Epi, with a better option for your liver than Halo.

Adams
 
DAdams91982 said:
Well Epi has more affinity for the androgen receptor, and theoretically will help you out more because of this being coupled with the anti estrogenic effects as well. You will definitely dry out and keep gaining with Epi, with a better option for your liver than Halo.

Adams
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Yea, that was my reasoning for using it in the first place, but all of this talk about tren and the great strength gains from it, really got me re-considering. wow, what a run-on sentence lol.
 
bassgod272 said:
Yea, that was my reasoning for using it in the first place, but all of this talk about tren and the great strength gains from it, really got me re-considering. wow, what a run-on sentence lol.
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Yeah I admit.. I am a sucker for tren, but if you start you wont want to stop, and not the best to try to stop a cycle with. That is one that you want the base of a cycle for the long haul.

Adams
 
If inj. are a concern I would run Tren Enth. But it is cost prohibitive.

Sooooooo....... personally I would run the Tren Ace..... it gets you hard and strong and vascular, and a good amount of weight can be gained on a T prop bulk escapade.......

However I would be interested in seeing the Epi w/ T prop at 800 to 1000mg/wk shot ED.


I need more info.... besides wanting to get jacked the fvck up..... what goals do you have for this next cycle......???********edit nevermind you said it***********
 
DAdams91982 said:
Yeah I admit.. I am a sucker for tren, but if you start you wont want to stop, and not the best to try to stop a cycle with. That is one that you want the base of a cycle for the long haul.

Adams
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Its right on pg 1 of heavies COOKBOOK OF DOOM vol. 1........ its a family recipe......

how bout Tren and Epi???? run IDK 8-12 wks drop the Epi after 4...... just a random thought.....
 
heavies said:
If inj. are a concern I would run Tren Enth. But it is cost prohibitive.

Sooooooo....... personally I would run the Tren Ace..... it gets you hard and strong and vascular, and a good amount of weight can be gained on a T prop bulk escapade.......

However I would be interested in seeing the Epi w/ T prop at 800 to 1000mg/wk shot ED.


I need more info.... besides wanting to get jacked the fvck up..... what goals do you have for this next cycle......???********edit nevermind you said it***********
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no, no, no bro. my NEXT cycle WILL FOR SURE be tren with T prop lol. i'm asking about ENDING my CURRENT cycle of T enanthate...what to use during the last 4 weeks to gain a little more from it. original plan was Epi, but I have been thinking abut using tren or halotestin instead.
 
heavies said:
Today;

50 mg Havoc about 3 hrs B4 WO, half is same as Dbol = 6 hrs....
60 mg Tren 2 when I took Havoc, then 1 30 min. B4 WO
2 Bulk Tabs 1 with Havoc, then 1 30 min. B4 WO.
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Heavies, bear with me for a moment bro. This may be a long-winded question. Sorry! Why do you take most of your gear 3 hours before your workout? And then you take a couple more only 30 minutes before training. I've just followed the rest of the sheep when I was told to take the sh*t 1 hour before workouts. Then Tripdog suggested taking the Methoxy TST stuff 2 hours before workouts. Then Trauma1 said he takes the TST 3 hours before workouts. I'm wondering which is the best option here? Is 1 hour not long enough for sh*t to really start absorbing into your bloodstream and start kicking in? I want to get the most rage and aggression outta my gear as I take the bulk of mine pre-workout and space the little remaining doses out during the rest of the day. I'm thinking about starting a thread on this very subject. My next cycle is going to be a 4 weeker of Epi, MDHT, and D-Bol. I plan on taking 50 mg. of Epi, 30 mg. of D-Bol, and 37.5 mg of MethylDHT. The MDHT will only be taken on workout days. The Epi and D-Bols are everyday of course. So what time frame should I utilize for my dosing this sh*t? Should I take all 30 mg. of D-Bol and maybe 30 mg. of the Epi 3 hours B4 WO? Tell me why you take it so long before training heavies? And then you take a couple more doses just 30 minutes prior to hitting the iron. WHY??!! You have really perked my curiosity on this dosing method. :think:
 
Jayhawkk said:
M1T

It was so good it hurt... on the inside :)
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:lol: Nah, I wanted to try it for quite some time, but decided it wasn't worth my life getting a year or 2 shaved off it :) If anyone WERE to run that, it would need to be used with test. Unfortunately, I have actually thought about it, lol.
 
thundergod said:
Heavies, bear with me for a moment bro. This may be a long-winded question. Sorry! Why do you take most of your gear 3 hours before your workout? And then you take a couple more only 30 minutes before training. I've just followed the rest of the sheep when I was told to take the sh*t 1 hour before workouts. Then Tripdog suggested taking the Methoxy TST stuff 2 hours before workouts. Then Trauma1 said he takes the TST 3 hours before workouts. I'm wondering which is the best option here? Is 1 hour not long enough for sh*t to really start absorbing into your bloodstream and start kicking in? I want to get the most rage and aggression outta my gear as I take the bulk of mine pre-workout and space the little remaining doses out during the rest of the day. I'm thinking about starting a thread on this very subject. My next cycle is going to be a 4 weeker of Epi, MDHT, and D-Bol. I plan on taking 50 mg. of Epi, 30 mg. of D-Bol, and 37.5 mg of MethylDHT. The MDHT will only be taken on workout days. The Epi and D-Bols are everyday of course. So what time frame should I utilize for my dosing this sh*t? Should I take all 30 mg. of D-Bol and maybe 30 mg. of the Epi 3 hours B4 WO? Tell me why you take it so long before training heavies? And then you take a couple more doses just 30 minutes prior to hitting the iron. WHY??!! You have really perked my curiosity on this dosing method. :think:
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D bol takes 3 hrs to get into the blood.I read before that dbol disolves right on the tounge.Like it gets all mooshy.Is this true with ya'll?It was also saying that this is true legit dbol,and it's hard to come by now days.It was saying that todays sh!t fior the most part is diluted or whatever.....it's just not the same as it used to be.Saying you could feel it from the first dose and all.....Also,Tg,cause I know you know.What does your taste like?Mine doesn't really taste like most pills.Ya know that bitterness?
 
pantera101 said:
D bol takes 3 hrs to get into the blood.I read before that dbol disolves right on the tounge.Like it gets all mooshy.Is this true with ya'll?It was also saying that this is true legit dbol,and it's hard to come by now days.It was saying that todays sh!t fior the most part is diluted or whatever.....it's just not the same as it used to be.Saying you could feel it from the first dose and all.....Also,Tg,cause I know you know.What does your taste like?Mine doesn't really taste like most pills.Ya know that bitterness?
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Mine didn't have much taste at all really. Only a very slight bitterness. And they took at least 5 minutes to dissolve under my tongue. They were the sh*t though brother. Mine were from Poland, but are Russian made. Methandienone is the compound name of mine. I loved 'em!! And you will too. If you're doing the 30 mg. pre-workout thing, you'll feel 'em and enjoy 'em. My next cycle (a ways from now) is going to include a heaping-helping of 'em!! Rock on Pantera!! I feel great today my man!! :head:
 
thundergod said:
Heavies, bear with me for a moment bro. This may be a long-winded question. Sorry! Why do you take most of your gear 3 hours before your workout? And then you take a couple more only 30 minutes before training. I've just followed the rest of the sheep when I was told to take the sh*t 1 hour before workouts. Then Tripdog suggested taking the Methoxy TST stuff 2 hours before workouts. Then Trauma1 said he takes the TST 3 hours before workouts. I'm wondering which is the best option here? Is 1 hour not long enough for sh*t to really start absorbing into your bloodstream and start kicking in? I want to get the most rage and aggression outta my gear as I take the bulk of mine pre-workout and space the little remaining doses out during the rest of the day. I'm thinking about starting a thread on this very subject. My next cycle is going to be a 4 weeker of Epi, MDHT, and D-Bol. I plan on taking 50 mg. of Epi, 30 mg. of D-Bol, and 37.5 mg of MethylDHT. The MDHT will only be taken on workout days. The Epi and D-Bols are everyday of course. So what time frame should I utilize for my dosing this sh*t? Should I take all 30 mg. of D-Bol and maybe 30 mg. of the Epi 3 hours B4 WO? Tell me why you take it so long before training heavies? And then you take a couple more doses just 30 minutes prior to hitting the iron. WHY??!! You have really perked my curiosity on this dosing method. :think:
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Well I am no PH expert but according to Ziquors sticky the est. half life is 6 hours, that is the same as Dbol. If you consult the roid calcualtor you will see that max. conc. of Dbol occur @ 3 hrs post dosing, so I treat these methyls the same as I do Dbol..... I try and dose 3 hrs B4, and then add 2 "kickers" to keep the anabolic window open PWO. So take todays dosing......

5 Havoc upon waking
2 tren
1 Bulk Tab

Now 1 hour B4 WO I will eat another Bulk Tab
& Tren this allows me to have a 2 hour overlap

Here is a graph of my strategy....
 

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Thanks for the concise reply heavies. I like both the way you explained it, and also the graph. Next run I'll give that way a try. Like I said, I just followed the flock and did as the other sheep by taking my sh*t 1 hour B4 WO without really askiing myself why? You're a thinking man's lifter heavies. Reps to da Fuhrer!!:head:
 
bassgod272 said:
So you say tren would be the best option for me? Also, to whomever said it, i'm not worried about "not wanting to stop." When I plan something, I stick to the plan regardless. That's what plans are for :)
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I cant really comment on halotestin as I have never used it, but I have used havoc (since you mentioned using halotestin, epi, or tren). But if I had to choose from the 3 I would easily choose tren.

You did say the plan was to close the final 4 weeks with it and I'm sure for some 4 weeks of tren ace is enough but for me the best parts of it were weeks 5, 6, & 7. I do react pretty slowly to everything though.

You have to be prepared for the sides. So if your not comfortable with them then go with the epi or halotestin. Tren cough is particularly the scariest, but everything else is bearable.

If I had to choose I would put them in this order:

1. Tren
2. Epi
3. Halotestin (no use fvckin up a perfectly good cycle with a toxic oral)

4 weeks of winny would be a nice closer too.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I cant really comment on halotestin as I have never used it, but I have used havoc (since you mentioned using halotestin, epi, or tren). But if I had to choose from the 3 I would easily choose tren.

You did say the plan was to close the final 4 weeks with it and I'm sure for some 4 weeks of tren ace is enough but for me the best parts of it were weeks 5, 6, & 7. I do react pretty slowly to everything though.

You have to be prepared for the sides. So if your not comfortable with them then go with the epi or halotestin. Tren cough is particularly the scariest, but everything else is bearable.

If I had to choose I would put them in this order:

1. Tren
2. Epi
3. Halotestin (no use fvckin up a perfectly good cycle with a toxic oral)

4 weeks of winny would be a nice closer too.
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Tren cough? I have actually never heard of anyone complain about that. What happens? My main concern is the aggression and overall d!ck attitude. I work in a pharmacy and cannot afford to be like "your script is not fvckin covered goddammit! deal with it b!tch!!!" :lol: A prolactin inhibitor should also be utilized as well, correct?
 
bassgod272 said:
Tren cough? I have actually never heard of anyone complain about that. What happens? My main concern is the aggression and overall d!ck attitude. I work in a pharmacy and cannot afford to be like "your script is not fvckin covered goddammit! deal with it b!tch!!!" :lol: A prolactin inhibitor should also be utilized as well, correct?
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Basically (depending on the inj) it gets into the bloodstream and somehow finds its way into areas it should not (commonly lungs). Causing difficulty in breathing. It drops guys to their knees. I know guys who have had thier fingers on 911 to save their own asses, lol.

Its a sobering experience from what I hear however it can mostly be avoided with proper inj technique. Personally I only had a couple of instances where things got uncomfortable and they were not at all severe. Just google "tren cough" or "fina cough" for more info.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Most use caber while running tren. I dont think its necessary but a low dose couldnt hurt. Plus who can argue with a faster refractory period.
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Definitely. For a natural alternative, one could implement L-DOPA into their supplement regime as Dopamine is a potent Prolactin inhibitor. As well, that is one less chemical placed into the body.
 
bassgod272 said:
Oh I know about the compound bro, I was just curious what dose YOU used and how long you ran it. It is supposedly 1 notch down from the notorious anadrol on the danger scale, but it is still the KING of liver damage. I will probably do 4-6 weeks, not 8. I'm still young, but i'd like to keep my liver healthy. I am still unsure on what to do...I was going to use Epistaneduring the last 4 weeks of my cycle. Who votes I should use a.) ORAL TREN or b.) halotestin instead? Thanks in advance.
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How the hell are you gonna get the real oral tren?
 
TimberLakers said:
Do you know what the half life is for H-drol? I'm still curious about spacing of doses when I ramp.
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15 mins is what a crack head behind Circle-K told me last night while I was getting a tug job but IDK how reliable he was?? After all he was a blind midget with Aids(that's why only the hand job) so IDK.:thumbsup:
 
BlackSheep said:
15 mins is what a crack head behind Circle-K told me last night while I was getting a tug job but IDK how reliable he was?? After all he was a blind midget with Aids(that's why only the hand job) so IDK.:thumbsup:
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I think he was telling you that 15 minutes was all you paid for.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Basically (depending on the inj) it gets into the bloodstream and somehow finds its way into areas it should not (commonly lungs). Causing difficulty in breathing. It drops guys to their knees. I know guys who have had thier fingers on 911 to save their own asses, lol.

Its a sobering experience from what I hear however it can mostly be avoided with proper inj technique. Personally I only had a couple of instances where things got uncomfortable and they were not at all severe. Just google "tren cough" or "fina cough" for more info.
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Holly sht!!! No thanks on the death cough. The price we pay to grow WTF?? Every one in this thread needs therapy like yesterday:lol:
 
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