HCG

DBdude

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I've been looking into and gathering my stuff for my dark side cycle of test C with a superdrol frontload and the one thing I'm unsure about is HCG.

What cycle length is the cut off where HCG is a must (or highly recommended)?

What harsher compounds would need HCG on shorter cycles?


And on a random note, I have 50ml of test cyp 250mg/ml. Should I run 1 cycle for 16 weeks at 750mg or two 12 week cycles at 500mg
 
id use hcg for anything over 8 weeks, but thats just me


also, have you run test before? i personally dont feel a need to go over 500mg or 15 weeks

run two cycles at 500 imo.... or run a 20 weeker @500
 
Thanks for the advice. I went and got my hands on 10 vials of HCG 5000iu. I'm just waiting on the needles and I'm starting this cycle.

Superdrol 20mg 1-4
Test Cyp 625mg 1-2; 500mg 3-12 (used up an extra 1ml divided in first 2 weeks)
Arimidex .25mg 1-12
HCG 500iu 4-12

The arimidex is a low dose starting because I'm not sure how I will react to test but I don't want to take chances without any AI. If I notice any signs of gyno I will ramp the dose up. Its easier to prevent then to treat.
Other protocol is typical with the superdrol

Pct-
Clomid 100/50/00/00/00/00
Torem-90/90/60/60/60/60

Any thoughts/concerns/advice?
 
So hcg would be better suited if I ran something like this:

Test cyp 750mg 1-4; 500mg 5-20
superdrol 20mg 1-4
X-tren 90-120mg 12-20 (bloodwork before)
DNP 250mg 12-16

1 more question for you nosnmiveins: which AI do you prefer? arimidex or aromasin? Arimidex seems to be the typical one used but Aromasin seems like the better choice because it (from what I read) raises IGF, is less harsh on lipids, reduced chance of estrogen rebound, and lowers SHBG
 
I would say to stick to a lower dose of Test, about 400 per week is ideal for a begining cycle, hell even a small TRT type dose of 250 per week would get you some solid gains, but I understand your issue with it being dosed at 250/ml. Easier to just do 2cc a week. If you really wanted a ramp up of test in the blood stream, 1/2 a cc starting Monday EOD would get you there as opposed to two huge shots that first week. I say this because if its your first time you don't know how you will react to a mega dose of test. Plus you have virgin muscle and fresh receptors and if you can make steady gains with less, all the better. Take your time and be patient. More importantly make sure to get your calories, water, vitamins, and rest! Being ON is a great experience, but remember its not the end all be all, if you don't eat enough, don't train, etc you can take all the test you want but won't get the results you want. I'd also probably just ditch the orals altogether for a first darkside experience. Better to stick with one compound in case you get some strange side effects, you can pinpoint it to what compound is causing, instead of having to guess...is this test or S-drol related. TEST C at 500 for 10-12 weeks is a great first cycle. Wait till next cycle to kick it off with an oral, preferrably D-bol. Good luck and keep us updated!

HCG is an interesting bird as well, you don't really see too many "guides" around here for it, strangely enough. Kinda like a HCG starter pack, what to know, how to dose, etc etc. Hmmm someone should chime in with one, I bet DBdude would appreciate it.
 
I would say to stick to a lower dose of Test, about 400 per week is ideal for a begining cycle, hell even a small TRT type dose of 250 per week would get you some solid gains, but I understand your issue with it being dosed at 250/ml. Easier to just do 2cc a week. If you really wanted a ramp up of test in the blood stream, 1/2 a cc starting Monday EOD would get you there as opposed to two huge shots that first week. I say this because if its your first time you don't know how you will react to a mega dose of test. Plus you have virgin muscle and fresh receptors and if you can make steady gains with less, all the better. Take your time and be patient. More importantly make sure to get your calories, water, vitamins, and rest! Being ON is a great experience, but remember its not the end all be all, if you don't eat enough, don't train, etc you can take all the test you want but won't get the results you want. I'd also probably just ditch the orals altogether for a first darkside experience. Better to stick with one compound in case you get some strange side effects, you can pinpoint it to what compound is causing, instead of having to guess...is this test or S-drol related. TEST C at 500 for 10-12 weeks is a great first cycle. Wait till next cycle to kick it off with an oral, preferrably D-bol. Good luck and keep us updated!

HCG is an interesting bird as well, you don't really see too many "guides" around here for it, strangely enough. Kinda like a HCG starter pack, what to know, how to dose, etc etc. Hmmm someone should chime in with one, I bet DBdude would appreciate it.

Nope, I'm good2go. I found all the info about hcg researching. This whole thread was on opinions on how "needed" HCG was. I know what I'm doing, most of the threads I start are more for personal experiences from the other members.

And fyi I don't need the beginner spiel. I've been here awhile, I've done plenty of cycles and I know how to train, diet, bla bla bla
 
adex like blocks estrogen and exem destroys it. lotta ppl do exem on and adex off. i do adex cuz its cheap

just a little reminder... 70mgs outta 100mgs is only being used with cyp

if you use tren or deca its like mandatory to use hcg. i use it all the time tho.
 
adex like blocks estrogen and exem destroys it. lotta ppl do exem on and adex off. i do adex cuz its cheap

just a little reminder... 70mgs outta 100mgs is only being used with cyp

if you use tren or deca its like mandatory to use hcg. i use it all the time tho.

Yeah I remember that from Unreals great writeup on injectables. I loaded up on HCG so I'll just do what you're doing and run it with any cycle. I don't want the boys to get desensitized. I have Adex on the way with the needles but I'm ordering some exem for pct. Thanks for the help gp
 
I agree, anything over 8 weeks just use hcg.. If you can get it cheap... Why not? I always use it.

I'd def say 2 12 weekers @ 500mg too. Not much of a difference between 500mg & 750mg.. for me anyways.
 
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