havoc questions?

at1010

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I got friends taking Rpns havoc got a good deal on it since it is hard to get.
They are about 20 years of age.
They plan on dosage 20mg the whole cycle since its their first ph.
They are also going to take fish oil, liver support, protein,creatine mono, and glutamine.

Anything else they should take during the cycle? i am sure they are going to take it so please just tell me what they can do to stay as healthy as possible. Also they are planning on getting blood work done at end of cycle.
 
and of course they will be taking a PCT...they have talked to a guy who has used this product and he is getting them a good PCT
 
Add some hawthorn/celery seed extact/Co-Q 10 (or all three) for BP and cholesterol support. PCT should contain a serm in there (not OTC, traditional clomid/nolva/torem), plus continue with all the support supps. Glucosamine/chondroiton/MSM/cissus for joint support. Epistane dried my joints out bad at times.
 
and of course they will be taking a PCT...they have talked to a guy who has used this product and he is getting them a good PCT

Your a really good friend! maybe since your such a good friend you can tell them not to take a steriod before 21! best of luck to your "friends"
 
no they really are my buddies who are taking this....and they asked me to type this cause we were hanging in my dorm room. I do have a bottle but i am waiting on mine i just wanted to buy it cause it was a great price. I am trying to be a good friend tho and have them take proper precautions. They are matured kids i really dont think between 20 and 21 is gunna make a difference.
 
I got friends taking Rpns havoc got a good deal on it since it is hard to get.
They are about 20 years of age.
They plan on dosage 20mg the whole cycle since its their first ph.
They are also going to take fish oil, liver support, protein,creatine mono, and glutamine.

Anything else they should take during the cycle? i am sure they are going to take it so please just tell me what they can do to stay as healthy as possible. Also they are planning on getting blood work done at end of cycle.

Its not a pro nuthin..its a steroid...just make sure you know that. Havoc was one of the best orals ive ever done so your "friend" will be very happy.
 
well thank you for some input, and i am not saying friend cause im against this product i will deff use it some day but i just want to wait and probably get blood work before and after.
 
If the are going to run a cycle they might as well do it right. 30/30/30/30

That is where most see results. Including me.
 
thanks for the advice man, i think they were just going to do 20 the whole time since its their fist cycle. I will probably to 20 the whole time also, but i am waiting atleast six months to a year.
 
no they really are my buddies who are taking this....and they asked me to type this cause we were hanging in my dorm room. I do have a bottle but i am waiting on mine i just wanted to buy it cause it was a great price. I am trying to be a good friend tho and have them take proper precautions. They are matured kids i really dont think between 20 and 21 is gunna make a difference.

Cycle assist has everything they need in it. Get a tub of that. Since you mentioned they are in a dorm tell them to take it easy for a month and cut out the drinking as well.
 
thanks for the advice. When should the take the 30mg(time of day). Also cycle assist covers the liver and immune system? All they might need is something for joints? If i buy all this with them will it stay good for a year?
 
I am seriously surprised that people are actually giving you advise on this. Twenty year old kids should NOT be touching steroids and there is no taking it easy on drinking while taking Havoc. You should NOT drink at all.!!!!
 
dude you act like 20 and 21 is a huge difference the one kid is already 20 and probably wont start the cycle for a few months. I am gunna wait till i start my cycle also. I agree to many guys take this crap early, but i dont think 20 and 6 months is gunna make a difference.
 
you or your friends should not be taking this. your too young.you do not know what you are doing.and when your gals all leave you cuz your di ck does not work and your boobs are bigger then theres i do not want to hear about it.if you want to get big quite parting start lifting and eat right.
 
you or your friends should not be taking this. your too young.you do not know what you are doing.and when your gals all leave you cuz your di ck does not work and your boobs are bigger then theres i do not want to hear about it.if you want to get big quite parting start lifting and eat right.

At 20 years old you should be able to put on plenty of size from training, a good diet and having patience. I am not sure why we are even bothering, he isn't going to listen to us anyways.
 
i notice your picture is arnold....i am positive that he was taking injectable roids at 20 and younger. He had no sides and is married and has children. Explain that to me is Havoc stronger than those roids back then? I understand their is risks involved and i am just looking for some products and milligrams to make the cycle as successfull and healthy as possible. I go to a university and i would say 1 outta 4 kids in on stuff just as strong as this or maybe even stronger and your telling me they are all having problems with their endocrine system? and liver?
 
Oh I'm sorry you must know more than me when it comes to this......just because you attend a University and other people are taking "strong stuff" doesnt mean its a smart idea and they know what your doing. At twenty years old you should not need to take anything. You may see probelms with your endocrine system and then again you may not. I am simply telling you that its NOT A GOOD IDEA at your age.

There is always an exception to the rule, as far as Arnold goes he is a prime example of that. Your better off being safe than sorry. Do what you want but in the end we are trying to help you.
 
arnold was in the gym everyday lifting at 20 he was well on his way to being a pro bb. are you going pro soon are do you just want to look buff for the chicks.buff for the chicks right .cuz if you were on your way to being a pro you would not be on here asking stupid questions would ya
 
I have to say you guys do make good points. I have stated many times i am waiting to take this product. I was just trying to make some points. I am not trying to fight with anyone on here i am simply asking questions. Thank you to those who have given me advice and have not just criticized. If you had to guess a % though what would you say the number of ppl who do get messed up off of one cycle. i think most these dudes just take one cycle to look good for summer than quit.
 
I have to say you guys do make good points. I have stated many times i am waiting to take this product. I was just trying to make some points. I am not trying to fight with anyone on here i am simply asking questions. Thank you to those who have given me advice and have not just criticized. If you had to guess a % though what would you say the number of ppl who do get messed up off of one cycle. i think most these dudes just take one cycle to look good for summer than quit.

You want a %, are you really serious? Bro...seriously....just don't take the cycle until your 21 and have hit your peak naturally. I am sure plenty of others will vouch for me when I say "You will never take just one cycle." I can almost guarantee that one.
 
I am seriously surprised that people are actually giving you advise on this. Twenty year old kids should NOT be touching steroids and there is no taking it easy on drinking while taking Havoc. You should NOT drink at all.!!!!

At 20 years old you should be able to put on plenty of size from training, a good diet and having patience. I am not sure why we are even bothering, he isn't going to listen to us anyways.

Oh I'm sorry you must know more than me when it comes to this......just because you attend a University and other people are taking "strong stuff" doesnt mean its a smart idea and they know what your doing. At twenty years old you should not need to take anything. You may see probelms with your endocrine system and then again you may not. I am simply telling you that its NOT A GOOD IDEA at your age.

There is always an exception to the rule, as far as Arnold goes he is a prime example of that. Your better off being safe than sorry. Do what you want but in the end we are trying to help you.

Heed GymAddict's Advice......he's knows his stuff.

I have to say you guys do make good points. I have stated many times i am waiting to take this product. I was just trying to make some points. I am not trying to fight with anyone on here i am simply asking questions. Thank you to those who have given me advice and have not just criticized. If you had to guess a % though what would you say the number of ppl who do get messed up off of one cycle. i think most these dudes just take one cycle to look good for summer than quit.

It all comes down to the individual. You could take a cycle and get messed up (bad sides - gyno, hairloss, acne, etc) or you could take a cycle and come out okay. It all depends on what sides you are prone to.

Being in college, you should not be taking PHs. This means no drinking for the duration of your cycle or PCT. So atleast a solid 8 weeks with no drinking. Just wait till you are outta college.Drinking on cycle could really mess up your liver....and possibly even kill you due to liver/kidney failure.

Not only that, but you are really risking messing up your hormones
 
You want a %, are you really serious? Bro...seriously....just don't take the cycle until your 21 and have hit your peak naturally. I am sure plenty of others will vouch for me when I say "You will never take just one cycle." I can almost guarantee that one.

Quite honestly your peak probably doesn't end until your 24-25

EDIT: Also agree with the running more than one cycle. Hell, i'm sticking to PH/DS orals right now....but eventually i'll run out or they will all be banned. Soooo nothing left to do but go straight illegal after that.
 
I agree with you guys i am not going to take my cycle till i am 21 and probably winter quater cause i wont drink for that time. I just wanted to know about percents not to be a **** just cause i know so many guys who have taken phs young and old and i have not seen any bad sides from any of them. I havent seen their blood work, but i just know they havent had anything happen to them that has concerned them and it has been years since they have taken them. I was just wondering if these guys are lucky or whats the deal.
 
Well ideally you will train for a long time and master your training for your genetic type and master diet before you use steroids. I think that is more important than age... with steroids the risks concern people who aren't physically developed or fully grown mostly... 21 is an arbitrary age made up by supplement companies trying to cover their asses from lawsuits and doesn't mean anything scientifically.

There are 18 year olds who are physically and mentally ready for steroids (although not very many!!) and there are 25 year olds who are neither physically nor mentally ready for steroids.

Personally i started doing PH's at 20 and i'm 23 and i've done like 8 cycles in that time period and I think I am no worse off from it, i am not prone to most side effects and by the end of my PCT my test levels usually feel like they exceed pre-cycle levels. That said, i knew exactly WTF I was doing, I was obsessed with understanding everything, my body matured long ago and I was at a high level of training... And even so I know that I "jumped the gun" and that I'm impatient, a fault I cannot help.

Most people that are 20 aren't ready, they are mentally immature, do not have a good diet, do not train consistently (consistently meaning more than training when on cycle... meaning training every week for YEARS like me), and do not push themselves enough to make the best use of a cycle. They don't understand how steroids work or the side effects or how to combat the side effects, or just HOW a PCT works and what exactly every component is doing. They are just doing what their friends told them! Like you, you can tell your friend "yeah take havoc, take this for support, take this for PCT" and 95% of the time it will lead to a safe cycle with good gains and no problems, but sometimes people will get gyno that won't go away, or they finish up their PCT and realize that they've lost their gains, they're depressed, and they can't get it up! You don't want to be responsible if that happens to your friends.

I encourage anyone who wants to cycle to research everything for themselves. You shouldn't just cycle because your buddy says "take this and that, it'll be safe." You should understand WHY you are taking X, Y, and Z, what it all does. You should take full responsibility for yourself and understand what you're putting into your body.

But most importantly, only cycle when your training and diet are GOOD (and most people who cycle still don't do their diet good enough IMO) and you have pushed close to your genetic limits. Like I said most people aren't ready when they are 20.


But I believe in the dream of America and being free and if they wanna pop havoc then so be it... Personally I think 20mg is a weak dose and will probably leave them disappointed, IMO if you are going to do something, do it proper, start at 20mg go to 30mg, run a real PCT with a SERM. Just tell your friends to be responsible for themselves and research what they're doing, not just to take your word for it because you asked the Bros on some online forum how to run it safe.

Nothing is 100% safe here! There are no guarantees, everyone takes a risk whether you are 18 or 40 and a noob or experienced... Be smart and responsible.
 
thanks a lot bro. Well i mean i have done a ton of research and so have my buddies i am waiting for the phs. I just bought up some rpn havoc for fairly cheap and it will be nice to have when i am ready.
 
I have just excepted the fact and plan on running one every 6 months or so. I am stocked up on PH/AAS to last me 3 years lol
 
Ya thats a very good point thats why i am going to wait for my cycle. I just bought it up cause Havoc i have heard is great and it isnt going to be around forever.
 
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