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Little back story. I've been on trt for almost 2 decades. Accident left my boys lagging and not producing.

Used to use pro hormones back in the day. I think right before the first wave of bans and such. Did a few cycle of tren with great results mdrol and sdrol as well.

I've been put of the game for a while but I'm looking to add strength and cut body fat or something that would let me cut body fat without losing much strength.

And hey I'm old so any kick in the pants libido booster would make me and my wife happy haha.

Anyone have any products that exist that work they like? I'm on 200 mg test c a week. Pharmacy stuff. I just cruise
 
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For legal products there are Andros, Sarms and some limited supply of 11-KT. Some RC site may have Trest. If you're willing to order from UK or EU, then there's a whole bunch of stuff.
 
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For legal products there are Andros, Sarms and some limited supply of 11-KT. Some RC site may have Trest. If you're willing to order from UK or EU, then there's a whole bunch of stuff.
Im in the process of beginning my homework. Sarms were emerging when I got out of the world. Enough to where I know what it stands for without looking it up but couldn't tell you if they are any good.

Are any of them worth their price?
 
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Well, Andros get quite pricy, but they're relatively safe and easy to find trusted brands. We still don't know much about sarms, but I'd put them in a category of 'scethy', although I have used myself. You can't allways be sure what you get with them and they aren't as low side, as they were/are marketed as.

If going only by which is the strongest anabolically, then I'd estimate LGD and some other sarms to be the strongest. 1-Andro is decent and pretty low on sides, depending on your individual response. Trest would be the strongest, but I'm not sure about it's availability and it can be tricky to manage estrogen and it's quite harsh on the body to my knowledge.

Epiandro is not really anabolic, but gives energy, mood, libido, hardening, strenght, 'alpha feeling' to some. It's a great add on to almost any run and can be utilized solo and especially for guys being on trt. It won't blow you up by any means, but it's fun.
 
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Well, Andros get quite pricy, but they're relatively safe and easy to find trusted brands. We still don't know much about sarms, but I'd put them in a category of 'scethy', although I have used myself. You can't allways be sure what you get with them and they aren't as low side, as they were/are marketed as.

If going only by which is the strongest anabolically, then I'd estimate LGD and some other sarms to be the strongest. 1-Andro is decent and pretty low on sides depending on your individual response. Trest would be the strongest, but I'm not sure about it's availability and it can be tricy to manage estrogen and it's quite harsh on the body to my knowledge.

Epiandro is not really anabolic, but gives energy, mood, libido, hardening, strenght, 'alpha feeling' to some. It's the perfect add on to almost any run and can be utilized solo and especially for guys being on trt. It won't blow you up by any means, but it's fun.
So getting my hands on like epistane is in that not legal category huh. Dang was hoping that congress would have come to their senses by now lol
 
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Well, Andros get quite pricy, but they're relatively safe and easy to find trusted brands. We still don't know much about sarms, but I'd put them in a category of 'scethy', although I have used myself. You can't allways be sure what you get with them and they aren't as low side, as they were/are marketed as.

If going only by which is the strongest anabolically, then I'd estimate LGD and some other sarms to be the strongest. 1-Andro is decent and pretty low on sides depending on your individual response. Trest would be the strongest, but I'm not sure about it's availability and it can be tricy to manage estrogen and it's quite harsh on the body to my knowledge.

Epiandro is not really anabolic, but gives energy, mood, libido, hardening, strenght, 'alpha feeling' to some. It's the perfect add on to almost any run and can be utilized solo and especially for guys being on trt. It won't blow you up by any means, but it's fun.
Really appreciate the info! Good jumping into spot on researching Sarms and andro
 
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Heres whats left that I feel is worth while.

Completely legal you have the Andros, 1 Andro is typically your muscle builder or Andros but I'm not a big fan as it seems to cause low libido and really tank energy for a lot of guys, even while on testosterone. On the other hand I love epiandro, it's not a potent muscle builder but it's amazing at increasing your libido and drive in the gym. A positive agression that helps drive workouts, good for strength too. At lower doses 450-600mg is where you start to see benifits, at 900+ it's similar to winstrol. Even at a lower 300mg transdermal dose it's a good "trt buddy" if you will. Just kinda makes the test work better like if you added some proviron or masteron.

In the grey area still legal stuff we got sarms and peptides, I'm actually a rep for maresearchchems who is our board sponsor so my opinion is going to be slightly biased twords them but for what it's worth, I've been using their products for the last 2 years and I've only been a representative for their company for 2 months. So I was a fan long before I was a rep.

For sarms I like lgd if building muscle is the goal, 20mg - 30mg a day. I like it all the way to 50mg but it's start getting expensive.

S23 is pretty damn potent but it can have side effects similar to steroids, it doesn't for me but it does for a lot of guys. 15-30mg, seen guys go up to 50 but I have not personal tried higher then 30.

Rad140 I like but not as a muscle builder, I like it around 15 for a feel good effect, seems like it makes everything work better.

They also have sarms in injectable form and they seem to be much more potent, and have different qualities when Injected.

Finally there's still some old school prohormones kicking around. You can find msten and dmz, those are going to be the strongest out of everything I listed above. The UK seems to have a lot of prohormones still kicking around.

If you are interested in any sarms or peptides you can use my code smont for 15% off at


If your interested in epiandro try iconic formulations (I have no ties to them) but they make a transdermal epiandro dosed at 450mg and that is by far the best bang for your buck epiandro around.

Sorry for dragging that out so long lol
 

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If you aren’t dead set on using hormonal products, Ursa Major from Apex Alchemy is my new favorite. Topical ursolic acid. Most guys seem to notice leaning effects from it more than anything, but it bumped up my strength and muscle fullness like crazy. They run BOGOs periodically and have epiandro as well.

With SARMs, I’ve had excellent experiences with MA Research. They carry SERMs as well. Supreme Labs is another board sponsor that carries SARMs, I haven’t tried them, but they get great feedback.
 

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Heres whats left that I feel is worth while.

Completely legal you have the Andros, 1 Andro is typically your muscle builder or Andros but I'm not a big fan as it seems to cause low libido and really tank energy for a lot of guys, even while on testosterone. On the other hand I love epiandro, it's not a potent muscle builder but it's amazing at increasing your libido and drive in the gym. A positive agression that helps drive workouts, good for strength too. At lower doses 450-600mg is where you start to see benifits, at 900+ it's similar to winstrol. Even at a lower 300mg transdermal dose it's a good "trt buddy" if you will. Just kinda makes the test work better like if you added some proviron or masteron.

In the grey area still legal stuff we got sarms and peptides, I'm actually a rep for maresearchchems who is our board sponsor so my opinion is going to be slightly biased twords them but for what it's worth, I've been using their products for the last 2 years and I've only been a representative for their company for 2 months. So I was a fan long before I was a rep.

For sarms I like lgd if building muscle is the goal, 20mg - 30mg a day. I like it all the way to 50mg but it's start getting expensive.

S23 is pretty damn potent but it can have side effects similar to steroids, it doesn't for me but it does for a lot of guys. 15-30mg, seen guys go up to 50 but I have not personal tried higher then 30.

Rad140 I like but not as a muscle builder, I like it around 15 for a feel good effect, seems like it makes everything work better.

They also have sarms in injectable form and they seem to be much more potent, and have different qualities when Injected.

Finally there's still some old school prohormones kicking around. You can find msten and dmz, those are going to be the strongest out of everything I listed above. The UK seems to have a lot of prohormones still kicking around.

If you are interested in any sarms or peptides you can use my code smont for 15% off at


If your interested in epiandro try iconic formulations (I have no ties to them) but they make a transdermal epiandro dosed at 450mg and that is by far the best bang for your buck epiandro around.

Sorry for dragging that out so long lol

Was just on the MA Research site. I’m new to anything past OTC supps. Did one cycle of EpiAndro oral. My question is, since these are all liquids and come with droppers are they supposed to be taken orally, transdermal, or pinned?

Truly not sure on they are administered??
 
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Was just on the MA Research site. I’m new to anything past OTC supps. Did one cycle of EpiAndro oral. My question is, since these are all liquids and come with droppers are they supposed to be taken orally, transdermal, or pinned?

Truly not sure on they are administered??
The majority of them are Oral liquid form., There are a few injectables that say in oil and then there's peptides that you have to reconstitute into a liquid for injection.

But the large majority of the sarms, serms and ai are oral.

If you're looking and are uncertain about a particular product you could always shoot me a PM
 
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I'd like to point out, that regarding the sarms and not knowing what you're getting, I was speaking in the big picture. I believe MA and Supreme to be trust worthy, no matter you're buying from them.

I think there was an 'investigation' done in the UK where they tested and found a LOT of sarm products to not be what the label said, a few years ago.
 
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I'd like to point out, that regarding the sarms and not knowing what you're getting, I was speaking in the big picture. I believe MA and Supreme to be trust worthy, no matter you're getting from them.

I think there was an 'investigation' done in the UK where they tested and found a LOT of sarm products to not be what the label said, a few years ago.
Maresearchchems, supreme and there's one other place that I'm not going to mention because they are not a sponsor here but those are pretty much the only three places I would trust to buy them. I think a few years back a lot of companies were putting prohormones in these things and labeling them as sarms because they're cheaper
 
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Was just on the MA Research site. I’m new to anything past OTC supps. Did one cycle of EpiAndro oral. My question is, since these are all liquids and come with droppers are they supposed to be taken orally, transdermal, or pinned?

Truly not sure on they are administered??
By the way, do not ever try to inject something that did not come in a sterile sealed vial or ampule. If something comes in a bottle where you can take the top off of it you cannot inject it or you risk getting infections and all kinds of other crap problems. If something is a transdermal it should be labeled as a transdermal.
 

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So getting my hands on like epistane is in that not legal category huh. Dang was hoping that congress would have come to their senses by now lol
Check you local supplement shop. Mine sells epistane along with dmz msten ect. Just no superdrol unfortunately
 
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Check you local supplement shop. Mine sells epistane along with dmz msten ect. Just no superdrol unfortunately
They got some big balls lol. They can catch a charge for epistane that's basically the same as if you were selling heroin
 
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You can find pretty much anything over in Europe.
Just order yourself some dzine, take at 40mg for 4-6 weeks and blow up.
most ug labs will have superdrol now.
 
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They got some big balls lol. They can catch a charge for epistane that's basically the same as if you were selling heroin
This is amazing that they are in the same category. Completely different things. This from the country where cannabis was illegal but is effective for treating many illnesses.
 
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This is amazing that they are in the same category. Completely different things. This from the country where cannabis was illegal but is effective for treating many illnesses.
The drug classifications rarely make much sense.
 

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Are theyre any websites that one could recommend, i am live in uk cant find any other than predator nutrition, which i would prefer not to use,
 
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If you aren’t dead set on using hormonal products, Ursa Major from Apex Alchemy is my new favorite. Topical ursolic acid. Most guys seem to notice leaning effects from it more than anything, but it bumped up my strength and muscle fullness like crazy. They run BOGOs periodically and have epiandro as well.

With SARMs, I’ve had excellent experiences with MA Research. They carry SERMs as well. Supreme Labs is another board sponsor that carries SARMs, I haven’t tried them, but they get great feedback.

Thanks for the mention, brother.
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Are theyre any websites that one could recommend, i am live in uk cant find any other than predator nutrition, which i would prefer not to use,
Im thinking of Placing an order with Predator Nutrition

why don’t you want too order from Predator Nutrition?
 

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Im thinking of Placing an order with Predator Nutrition

why don’t you want too order from Predator Nutrition?
Really annoyed me made a order with them and next day they messaged me saying i needed to send them credit car picture and id ( a invoice or statement ) they don’t accept photo id such as drivers license or passport im not giving them sensitive data like that found cross the limit prob order of them
 
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Really annoyed me made a order with them and next day they messaged me saying i needed to send them credit car picture and id ( a invoice or statement ) they don’t accept photo id such as drivers license or passport im not giving them sensitive data like that found cross the limit prob order of them
Them wanting you to prove you're in possession of the card is not shady - dealing with internet sales can be a tricky business and online companies deal with more fraud than you can possibly imagine.
 
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Little back story. I've been on trt for almost 2 decades. Accident left my boys lagging and not producing.

Used to use pro hormones back in the day. I think right before the first wave of bans and such. Did a few cycle of tren with great results mdrol and sdrol as well.

I've been put of the game for a while but I'm looking to add strength and cut body fat or something that would let me cut body fat without losing much strength.

And hey I'm old so any kick in the pants libido booster would make me and my wife happy haha.

Anyone have any products that exist that work they like? I'm on 200 mg test c a week. Pharmacy stuff. I just cruise
11-keto would be an awesome choice for you. I would recommend you check out Ultra Eleven by Iconic Formulations - 200mg per application of 11-keto...run it for 6-8 weeks.

Sides are minimal and the recomp effect should be great!
 

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