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Hate to say I am a NOOB

Chubbie

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Wanna try something new and looking into a prohormone cycle. CEL is my brand of choice from a few recommendations.
I am 32, 225lbs and I have been lifting since '91. I am a competitive powerlifter (or like to think I am).
Best lifts are 700SQ, 550BN, and 600DL.

I know a little about this stuff and was looking to start an Mdrol cycle but I'm open to suggestions from more experienced folks.

I eat a ton of calories (Relatively clean) and would guess I am holding at a low teen's bodyfat %.

Looking for some help! :dl:
 
If your looking to use heavy weights I wouldnt suggest m-drol. An average cycle for m-drol is 3wks, lethargy and back pumps are common. And lets say you add 50lbs to all lifts, I think that you would create a situation where you might get hurt/possibly tear something.

On the other hand you could run something like h-drol, 100mgs for 6 wks and gradually increase strength, lose some BF% and easily maintain your gains.

Or trenadrol 90mgs for 6 wks. Either way, I would recomend a longer more mild cycle. It will keep you in the gym, and it's always nice to stay on as long as possible. :D
 
I probably wouldn't start with mdrol. Start research with hdrol and potentially estane and go from there.
 
Thank you both for the suggestions. I am not one to act impulsively and appreciate the information.
I'll continue to research........
 
Research Mdrol and all support supps, PCT and such. Take your strength gains from there, if youve been lifting enough you know when to stop.

Dont listen to others about mild PH cycles. If you have ur diet locked down and are ready to get dirty, research the hell out of whatever you want to do.
 
OK.

Here is where I am at. I am ready to get into it. I know even with extensive research I will have to experiment on myself. So I need to start slowly.

Big Picture (using CEL products):

PH- Hdrol, Mdrol
PCT- ? (PCT Assist, not sure what is best out there)

I am just being very basic here as "simple" is where I want to start. As I learn more I know I can stack and add in things to assist the cycle.

I am going the right route?
 
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nickrut said:
Good to hear. Let me know if you have specific questions.

Where in md you live?
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Southern MD. St. Mary's Co.

I have lots of questions and I'm researching the hell out of this. However, like most dudes, I do want to start now.
 
^ it's hard to abstain, but imagine, from a PL point of view, that, instead of helping your lifts, all your lifts go down.

the more we make nick talk about this stuff, the more we learn :type:
 
lpflyer88 said:
^ it's hard to abstain, but imagine, from a PL point of view, that, instead of helping your lifts, all your lifts go down.

the more we make nick talk about this stuff, the more we learn :type:
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Can you elaborate on your above statement?
 
lpflyer88 said:
^ it's hard to abstain, but imagine, from a PL point of view, that, instead of helping your lifts, all your lifts go down.

the more we make nick talk about this stuff, the more we learn :type:
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lol...i don't deserve that much credit. appreciate it tho


OP, you really don't want to jump in before you're ready. can have some nasty sides and if you do PCT wrong, can lose the gains you did make on cycle which would make all the risks that you took a complete waste of time...
 
Chubbie said:
OK.

Here is where I am at. I am ready to get into it. I know even with extensive research I will have to experiment on myself. So I need to start slowly.

Big Picture (using CEL products):

PH- Hdrol, Mdrol
PCT- ? (PCT Assist, not sure what is best out there)

I am just being very basic here as "simple" is where I want to start. As I learn more I know I can stack and add in things to assist the cycle.

I am going the right route?
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I wouldnt use M-Drol for the first cycle. I would start with H-Drol.

We suggest using our Cycle Assist while on cycle for overall support purposes. Space your dosage 4 hours away from your ph dosing.

My personal PCT would be Inhibit-E and Liver Assist by SNS along with PCT Assist by us.
 
From the advice I am getting here (Thank you all BTW), it is suggested not to start with Mdrol or similar products. Reasons being the PH may be to harsh.

When I start my 1st cycle(looking like the above suggestion from CompEdgeLabs) should I pay particularly close attention to how my body reacts to the cycle, i.e. my sensitivity?

I know that seems like an obvious or stupid question. What I may be getting at the is what am I to look for?
 
Chubbie said:
From the advice I am getting here (Thank you all BTW), it is suggested not to start with Mdrol or similar products. Reasons being the PH may be to harsh.

When I start my 1st cycle(looking like the above suggestion from CompEdgeLabs) should I pay particularly close attention to how my body reacts to the cycle, i.e. my sensitivity?

I know that seems like an obvious or stupid question. What I may be getting at the is what am I to look for?
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Another question.

I work a rotating shift work schedule, 12 hour shifts. I train 3-5 days/week. I use Wendler's 531 now with a lot of success.

My question(s) is in regards to dosing, dose timing, and PCT.

When I work PM shift, I train early in the day (wake at 11am and train at 1pm). When I work AM shift, I train after work in the evening(around 6pm).

Using the following stack what would be a general layout for a weekly/daily dosing plan?

Hdrol & Cycle Assist

Then when do I start PCT and what would the layout be for a dosing plan?

SNS Inhibit-E
SNS Liver Assist
PCT Assist

Thank you in advance for any help.
 
the product lists look great.

check other threads for dosing information. lots of hdrol logs on here as well.

keep up the 531. i love it.
 
Chubbie said:
Another question.

I work a rotating shift work schedule, 12 hour shifts. I train 3-5 days/week. I use Wendler's 531 now with a lot of success.

My question(s) is in regards to dosing, dose timing, and PCT.

When I work PM shift, I train early in the day (wake at 11am and train at 1pm). When I work AM shift, I train after work in the evening(around 6pm).

Using the following stack what would be a general layout for a weekly/daily dosing plan?

Hdrol & Cycle Assist

Then when do I start PCT and what would the layout be for a dosing plan?

SNS Inhibit-E
SNS Liver Assist
PCT Assist

Thank you in advance for any help.
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Keep your dosing spaced out evenly throughout the day on the H-Drol. Space your Cycle Assist dosage out approx 4 hours from your ph dosage.

That PCT looks very solid.
 
Can you get a SERM mate? (Nolvadex, Toremifene or Clomid)

Not saying that you'll definitely need it but it might be worth having it on hand if you get signs of gyno, nothing's more effective IMO.
 
UKStrength said:
Can you get a SERM mate? (Nolvadex, Toremifene or Clomid)

Not saying that you'll definitely need it but it might be worth having it on hand if you get signs of gyno, nothing's more effective IMO.
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While having one on hand is a personal issue, I have to say that I have never seen anyone need one on H-Drol and also since this is his first cycle, I would caution him to do alot of research on the potential SERM sides before implementing one.

UK - normally I dont try to jump in and post stuff like that, but I have been trying to help him by PM as well, so I wanted to make it clear to him my position on that for an H-Drol cycle. Just didnt want you to think I was going behind you for no reason on that.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
While having one on hand is a personal issue, I have to say that I have never seen anyone need one on H-Drol and also since this is his first cycle, I would caution him to do alot of research on the potential SERM sides before implementing one.

UK - normally I dont try to jump in and post stuff like that, but I have been trying to help him by PM as well, so I wanted to make it clear to him my position on that for an H-Drol cycle. Just didnt want you to think I was going behind you for no reason on that.
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No worries mate, totally understand, research is obviously the first course of action for a person in this position.

You've almost certainly got a lot more experience with anabolics than me so I'll leave you to continue giving him the good advice ;)
 
Welcome Chubbie and good luck fellow gym brother !! Everyones body reacts differently to any ph and thats why its good to just get your feet wet with HDrol. By the way, I had great results with HDrol as my first ph and it was only at 50mg for 4 weeks. That being said, this is also another reason why most recommend starting at 50mg to see how you react and then go up from there. I know you wont be disappointed. Let us know how it goes for you.
 
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