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Has anyone heard of the prohormone built penta

smith_69 said:
lol- its a valid rant, i mean response.

but agree with you on this bro. people see these compounds and say, sh1t i can pack on wgt like no tomorrow. some dip sh1t selling this stuff only cares about 1 thing, profit. does he care if this guy has liver, kidney, high bp, bitch titz etc? nope.

and whats actually worse than this? the person (not the OP or anyone on this thread, dont want to call people out) believe it wont happen to them. its a sad endless cycle of misery
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Profit is king. People need to realize this. It's what matters most to anyone selling anything.
 
brofessorx said:
Profit is king. People need to realize this. It's what matters most to anyone selling anything.
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But in the company's defense, they are putting out videos explaining (to some degree) what these products are and it appears that this stuff is only being sold from the storefront itself - somewhere in Gainsville, FL. I like that approach because every man should have a right to do what he wants with his body but it's also ethical as a company to inform people of the potential consequences as well as what to take and how to take it for safe and effective outcomes.

But then again, online forums are probably just as effective in that regard anyways. This isn't a well thought out product IMO. When you have so many methyls at higher doses like this you can't get much out of non-methyls with it because they need more time and higher doses - neither of which is an option.
 
FosteRoid said:
Here are the ingredients to Built Penta:
17b-hydroxy-2a, 17b-dimethyl-5a-androstan-3-one-azine dimethazine
2,17a-methl-5a-androsta-1-en-17b-ol-3-one msten di-methyl 1-testosterone
Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone methyl 1-androstenediol
13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5 (10)-dien-17-one max lmg
2, 17a-dimethyl 2-ene androst 17 -ol di methyl pheraplex (10mg,5mg,20mg,15mg,10mg ) in order
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I didn't read anything you said, but because it took me 5min to delete all the nonsense, I caught a glimpse of your delusion thinking your your sup shop owners knows anything about pro hormones and steroids. 98% chance he doesn't. Even after 20 years. Just bro science.
 
Don't look at compounds when you've been drinking.
 
fueledpassion said:
Product has per dose:

10mg - DMZ
5mg - MSten
20mg - M1A
15mg - M-LMG
10mg - Mithras

I would have flipped the MSten and DMZ and dropped the last two. Otherwise would have been a fun stack of:

20mg MSTEN
10mg DMZ
40mg M1A

And would have been a manageable cycle for 4-5 weeks with correct ancillaries. The M-LMG is useless when M1A is in there and the Mithras is overshadowed and so useless with MSten and DMZ present.

I wouldn't take more than two a day and even then your body will moan for relief after 20-30 days on.

I'd rather just order some SD from the UK and run 5-10mg/day with more manageable sides and gains overall. Or even a low dose of Epistane and Anadrol.
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Well I'd disagree as lmg is the only aromatizable compound in there. But guess it depends on goals. If size and strength are it, then lmg is much needed
 
fueledpassion said:
But in the company's defense, they are putting out videos explaining (to some degree) what these products are and it appears that this stuff is only being sold from the storefront itself - somewhere in Gainsville, FL. I like that approach because every man should have a right to do what he wants with his body but it's also ethical as a company to inform people of the potential consequences as well as what to take and how to take it for safe and effective outcomes.

But then again, online forums are probably just as effective in that regard anyways. This isn't a well thought out product IMO. When you have so many methyls at higher doses like this you can't get much out of non-methyls with it because they need more time and higher doses - neither of which is an option.
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I've had two vodka cranberries, and can't think about dosages for a 5 compound stack. I'll take your word for it
Yea, I don't drink much.
 
FosteRoid said:
17b-hydroxy-2a, 17b-dimethyl-5a-androstan-3-one-azine (Dymethazine)
In a study, patients were administered Dymethazine for 45+ days. Liver values did not change for 50% of patients, while the other 50% noticed only modest to moderate increases in liver values. So, while Dymethazine can increase liver values, it is not as harsh as the current strong methyls currently available.
Dymethazine features 0% ability to aromatize and expresses an extremely weak androgenic activity. This means Dymethazine will produce gain with little to no liver impact and will cause no estrogen related side effects.
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Make sure you post source of info. I forgot where this was from
 
Can someone (Educated) give a final opinion on BUILT ! Yes, its not good for you, but in what i understand the dosages seem to be low, but stacked... Is it an alright stacked PH or Not!?! Compared to the risk of full on shooting up the real real ****, Would you say the risk are low for long term affects on the body, of course followed by a PCT.
 
FosteRoid said:
Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone (Methyl 1-AD)
AKA
Alpha One
Methyl-1-Alpha

This is one of the strongest pro-hormones/anabolic designer steroids around. Keep cycles very short with three weeks being the most common cycle length.

It's known to have some conversion to M1T (Methyl-1-Testosterone) as M1A/Alpha One is a precursor to M1T, however legit information regarding the rate of conversion is unknown. Most educated estimates are in the 15-20% range. Methyl 1-AD is an already active steroid. Regardless of conversion to M1T, it's plenty sufficient on it's own.

NOT for first time pro-hormone and steroid users.

Alpha One is an oral pro-hormone processed by the liver. Alpha One is methylated, which puts additional strain on the liver. This harsh compounds will negatively impact blood pressure, lipid values, cholesterol levels and will stress your endocrine system.

Because of its strength, you should start with a lower dose in order to understand how you resond. Alpha One cycles are most commonly 3 weeks in length, however advanced users can run 4 week cycles.

Dosages above 60mg per day are not recommended. First one I've come across with high risk, but serving was 20mg in PENTA
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Wherever this write up was from they forgot to give me credit. But I give whoever wrote it credit for it including conversion unknown.
You don't want to know the names of the supp companies that specifically asked me to help them with their write ups, but when I pointed this indisputable FACT out, they refused to change it, and included made up conversion numbers.
At least this company got it half right.
 
FosteRoid said:
Can someone (Educated) give a final opinion on BUILT ! Yes, its not good for you, but in what i understand the dosages seem to be low, but stacked... Is it an alright stacked PH or Not!?! Compared to the risk of full on shooting up the real real ****, Would you say the risk are low for long term affects on the body, of course followed by a PCT.
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No it is not "low risk". It is every bit as risky as using injectable steroids. Moreso, in regards to hepatoxicity. It can be done with lots of precautions and safeguards. You had no cycle support and no PCT. No SERM=No PCT= No cycle.
 
Is my PCT not good:
GH support Mucuna Pruiens(15% L dopa) v. bean 800mg
Liver Support Milk T. 360 mg
Test Support Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione (Androsta) 75 mg
Detox indole 3 100mg

Or recommend me a better OTC Pct like i said 2 days into Post Cycle..?
 
FosteRoid said:
Is my PCT not good:
GH support Mucuna Pruiens(15% L dopa) v. bean 800mg
Liver Support Milk T. 360 mg
Test Support Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione (Androsta) 75 mg
Detox indole 3 100mg

Or recommend me a better OTC Pct like i said 2 days into Post Cycle..?
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Well, it'll help. But it's like inflating your car tires with a bicycle pump.
 
Alpha1agreda said:
Not to disagree with everybody or nothing but how many people on here run multiple phs at once ? I've seen more then one log for something like 1,4,11,epi andro and trest ? Or something like that what's the difference of getting it in just one bottle ? Serious question I'm not saying anyone's wrong or anything
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Just to be clear , I now understand everyone's point . Not that stacking a bunch of stuff is dangerous (I knew that) but more that the people that end up getting it in their hands ruin it for everyone .
 
Why do u seem to think that injecting is more dangerous? Its actually quite the opposite. These OTC oral steroids and ph are actually much more dangerous and carry more side effects then injecting test. Injectable test at a reasonable dose is the safest cycle you could possibly do
 
fueledpassion said:
Product has per dose:

10mg - DMZ
5mg - MSten
20mg - M1A
15mg - M-LMG
10mg - Mithras

I would have flipped the MSten and DMZ and dropped the last two. Otherwise would have been a fun stack of:

20mg MSTEN
10mg DMZ
40mg M1A

And would have been a manageable cycle for 4-5 weeks with correct ancillaries. The M-LMG is useless when M1A is in there and the Mithras is overshadowed and so useless with MSten and DMZ present.

I wouldn't take more than two a day and even then your body will moan for relief after 20-30 days on.

I'd rather just order some SD from the UK and run 5-10mg/day with more manageable sides and gains overall. Or even a low dose of Epistane and Anadrol.
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Isn't Triumphalis a Mithras clone?

Way different than DMZ/Msten for me.
 
I was speaking from an anabolic/androgenic perspective. What good is there in having three dry compounds, all of which have some androgenic activity and which two of the three are proven to be the most effective on the market? Either way, I would have dropped one of the three in any case.

I always found DMZ to have the most sides but also had the best recomping effect and strength gains.
 
FosteRoid said:
Can someone (Educated) give a final opinion on BUILT ! Yes, its not good for you, but in what i understand the dosages seem to be low, but stacked... Is it an alright stacked PH or Not!?! Compared to the risk of full on shooting up the real real ****, Would you say the risk are low for long term affects on the body, of course followed by a PCT.
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The only reason long term risks would be low is because you can't run this stuff very long before the sides outweigh the benefits.

If you decided to run this stuff two to three times per year, it'd be just as if not more unhealthy than just run the typical AAS that people run like Test, Tren, Deca, EQ, Mast, Winny, NPP etc.

Really, Test and Mast are probably safer in any case unless we're talking more than 400-500mg/wk for longer than 4 months at a time. Even then, the only sides you deal with are hairloss, modest cholesterol changes that can probably be dealt with thru diet and supplements alone and of course shutdown/estrogen control in which case Hcg and AI's handle adequately. For blood thickness, Nattokinase. For blood pressure, ACE-II inhibitors and calcium channel blockers.

That's it. There's a nice, effective and safe drug or supplement for every side that test could give you.
 
Smont said:
This was the point I was looking to prove. Someone made a horrible decision to run one of these crazy products which were a big part of why we got good zhit banned! While u were on cycle u did nothing in regards to ur health and no real pct. Just using sawdust to hopefully get ur nuts working and your so excited about your 15-20 lbs u don't take into consideration that a few years down the road u might be sterile or impotent. Apology if my spelling sux anywhere. I hope it all works out for u but its unlikely in the long run. I've made this mistake and bounced back for now but down the road who knows. I just feel like every time one of these threads pops up bout these multi blend pH its always the same. I took this made big gains no real pct and no1 ever hears from the poster again. Wonder y?
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These "crazy" products were not the reason things got banned. It would have been if they caused a influx of hospital visits due to the use of these things but as we saw over the years, supplement related hospital visits and media attention were virtually entirely on non-anabolic related products and ingredients.

The actual reason we saw the ban were lobbyists from big mainstream supplement companies (iirc ON included) pushing for DASCA 2014.
 
FosteRoid said:
Can someone (Educated) give a final opinion on BUILT ! Yes, its not good for you, but in what i understand the dosages seem to be low, but stacked... Is it an alright stacked PH or Not!?! Compared to the risk of full on shooting up the real real ****, Would you say the risk are low for long term affects on the body, of course followed by a PCT.
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The dosages are a little low if one were running the compounds by themselves. Actually, even in the stack, the MAX-LMG is woefully underdosed. There's however 4 strong methyls in there. M1A being ok dosed. Hepatoxicity could be a problem for some but the major fault of this product is that there's 4 strong methyls in there which are all very effective on their own and could have potential negative side effects on their own. Most people buying and using such a product typically go into the store and just ask for whatever is the "strongest" they have for which they are then presented with such a product. These individuals have also likely never used anabolics to begin with and likely haven't used most if any of the compounds in this stacked product. The problem then is that when negative side effects occur, one has no idea which compound(s) is/are the culprit(s). For folks whom are more experienced, this is not a great product for those people either because the dosages and possibly even combo of compounds may not be what they were looking for.
 
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